Break Week Is it time to consider Zoro vs Smoothie /Queen yet?

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Formerly Seth

The possibility of Zoro facing King 1 v 1 doesn't seem available any longer since Sanji is fighting him, and Marco might also wanna clash him. Zoro would end up teaming up or fighting a weakened King.

Queen and Smoothie both have bounties with digit "32" in it like Zoro does.
And they both equal King in strength too.

How would you feel if Zoro faces Smoothie or queen instead of King?

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It's definitely time to drop Juan Piece.

Luffy clashes with Ulti and Page One. OH MY GOD COULD THEY BE LUFFY'S FINAL OPPONENTS?
Nice bait Jo.
 
It would be befitting to him to fight Smoothie in all honesty. His path to becoming the World's Strongest Swordsman started off with him losing to a female Swordsman over 2000 times. So Oda making his first major Swordfight of the New World against an extremely powerful Swordswoman is definitely something he would do.
BM is there too tho.
 
Only chance for this match-up to push Zoro to mid-diff (or high-diff at best) is if it's Queen & Smoothie vs Zoro.

If it's Smoothie vs Zoro or Queen vs Zoro, they'd lose low-diff (or mid-diff at best) to Zoro for two reasons: their size and their lack of agility.

Queen obviously isn't very fast (as opposed to King), as seen from his previous action against Big Mom. He is very large and his attacks pack a wallop, but that's it. He is like Pica in that sense and if it's Queen vs Zoro, Zoro will just spam his large-scale attacks until Queen's defense falters and then he will finish Queen off mid-diff at best. Queen's long neck in his Brachiosaurus form is a very vulnerable spot. If Zoro aims for that with Enma + Current Asura/Rokudan no Tsuji + Armament Haki, then Queen goes down like he's paid to lose.

Smoothie is a bit tricky to gauge since she doesn't seem as competent as either Katakuri or Cracker. Also, she did not display anything special when chasing SHs in WCI and she couldn't do a thing to anticipate King's attack, so I doubt she had great speed or reaction time. Her downfall if pit against Zoro is sealed basically because, as hinted in WCI, she grew bigger and bigger during fights for reasons unknown, so, just like Queen, she will only end up giving Zoro a larger target. It would be another Zoro vs Straw Monster. Enma + Current Asura/High-tier attack(s) + Armament Haki can certainly bring Smoothie down.

But, if it's Queen & Smoothie vs Zoro, then yes they can push Zoro to a mid-diff due to outnumbering him and more range & power in their attacks. They should get several good hits on Zoro, but not too strong to put him down for good, before they lose eventually.

This is why I think King vs Zoro is the only match-up where Zoro can be properly tested since King's speed + attack + reaction time are tops. King vs Zoro is a high-diff fight at worst and an extreme-diff at best.

However, with Zoro being predicted to help out against Kaido (to at least slash him once with Enma and give him a fatal wound), then I am now starting to see that Zoro vs Queen or Zoro vs Queen & Smoothie is indeed a possibility, because, as I said above, this match-up is mid-diff at best for Zoro, so he will not sustain any injuries that would impede his participation in Kaido's defeat. Whereas a match-up against King is certainly going to be a blood bath and would, therefore, cast doubt into his participation against Kaido.

But, honestly, if Zoro mid-diffs Queen or Smoothie or Queen & Smoothie, the only thing I know for sure is that the "Oda wanks Zoro hurrr durrr!" accusation is back in business.

From a personal POV, I certainly don't mind seeing Zoro mid-diffing a guy with a bounty 1 billion berry higher than his own. It would put to rest any doubt about where he stands right now, tbh.
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
Smoothie is a complete non starter. Zoro has nothing to do with the Big Mom Pirates. What's the point in having him roam the country seeing the horrors of the Beast Pirates oppression then to fight someone that wasn't even slightly involved in it?

No, it has to be a Beast Pirate that Zoro fights. Orochi, an idea that was increasingly laughable as the arc went on, was totally shattered when Kaido lopped his head off. On the native Wano side, there's only Fujurokujo and Hotei, who are basically a step up from nobodies and to be frank don't cut it. I'd honestly expect them to be oneshot like Hyozou if they tried to fight Zoro.

As for what Beast Pirate- Zoro will play a role in defeating Kaido. I don't think Oda has been overly shy about foreshadowing that. When he got Oden's sword that was a guarantee he'll at the very least land a hit on Kaido. Tied with the Ryuma parallels and Zoro being placed along with Kid and Law in the past few chapters (other characters who will play a big role in defeating him), an increased focus on the Luffy/Zoro partnership throughout the arc, Zoro's links to Wano and its people- it's going to happen. The question then is how much of a role will Zoro have in the final fight with Kaido?

My thoughts prior to this chapter is that Zoro will defeat King, be totally fucked, land one big hit on Kaido and that'll be it. If I had to pick, that is still what I'd predict will happen, regardless of Sanji vs King this chapter. The absolute most I can see happening with Sanji and King is that Sanji plays backup to someone else landing the final blow on him. That someone could well be Zoro. I don't want this to happen, because to be frank I think it would suck for Sanji. King is the opponent who simply makes the most sense for Zoro, based on everything Oda has written in the past. Yes, we've yet to really see King use his sword- but we've yet to see him fight seriously at all. It's when the hybrids come out that we know the real fights are beginning, and that still looks to be a fair bit away.

Queen... I just don't see it. Queen just doesn't give me a Zoro fight-vibe. I can't really see what the point in Zoro fighting Queen would be, when King's around. A fight over a woman, Hiyori? That's the setup for a Sanji fight, not a Zoro one. Oda doing that instead of getting revenge for Udon for another character? Not seeing it.

The thing I can see, if Zoro vs King is not to happen, would be a quick fight with Who's Who before moving on to playing a large role in defeating Kaido. In which case I think Marco would be beating King, not Sanji. I'd rather this didn't happen- the knock-on effect of this would, I feel, essentially shaft most of the Strawhats. But it could happen, especially if what Oda is aiming for- and this wouldn't be much of a surprise- is a Worst Generation heavy finish.
Another reason the whole “fighting over Hiyori” thing doesn’t make sense in regards to Zoro vs Queen is that Queen and Zoro don’t know Hiyori and Komurasaki are the same person. Queen doesn’t know of Hiyori’s relationship with Zoro, and Zoro doesn’t know that Queen had the hots for her as Komurasaki either.

But like you said, fighting over a woman is more of a Sanji thing.
 
Why do you think so low of Zoro and Jinbe?
? Nobody is thinking low of them. The F6 are new world captains who can be anything from powerful to knocking Luffy down from a headbutt to being confident in fighting against Queen. There are other allies (Law, Kid, Marco, etc) who I believe are above Luffys own crew right now. And before people think Kaido is their "only" battle, look at where each of those characters are: Not fighting Kaido. Right now its the Scabbards and Minks job to weaken and pretty much lose to Kaido. That doesn't mean everyone will go into fighting kaido "fresh". Not to mention, Marco is also present and can heal everyone.
 

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? Nobody is thinking low of them. The F6 are new world captains who can be anything from powerful to knocking Luffy down from a headbutt to being confident in fighting against Queen. There are other allies (Law, Kid, Marco, etc) who I believe are above Luffys own crew right now. And before people think Kaido is their "only" battle, look at where each of those characters are: Not fighting Kaido. Right now its the Scabbards and Minks job to weaken and pretty much lose to Kaido. That doesn't mean everyone will go into fighting kaido "fresh". Not to mention, Marco is also present and can heal everyone.
if marco gonna be a healer in this war, the calamities should've been zoro and sanji opponent.
 
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