Current Events Is Oda leaving Sanji behind?

[HA001]

And the culmination of Zoro targeting Kaido will be him opening the scar he got from Oden.

Oda will shuffle things into place so that he fights King and does that by the end of the arc.

We're of a flying island against characters that can fly around or launch you across islands, just because some characters have stacked up at one place at some point it does not meant that they are stuck there until the end of the arc.

yes and oda will shuffle luffy to fight whos who

 

[nik87]

You lot are not better than those Sanji fans that argue Sanji is stronger than Zoro

You guys deserve each other

How many levels do you think exist between Sanji and Luffy?

 

[Kuro Ashi]

yes and oda will shuffle luffy to fight whos who

Yeah, cuz Zoro got that big page of all the flashbacks and reasons for why he will defeat Kaido, also making the statement that he will surpass both him and Big Mom this chapter.

 

[hedera__helix]

He's been left behind ever since Thriller Bark/Sabaody when he fainted to a light jab to the ribs while Zoro tanked all of Luffy's damage, and when he failed to make the cutoff to become a Supernova, the leaders of the next generation.

 

[zzShinichi]

Zoro has yet to see what King and Queen are really capable off, ignoring them will prove to be a mistake.

It is possible that he does not manage to open Kaido's scar in this initial encounter, ends up fighting King, and then makes his way back to open Kaido's scar.

That was the order in which i initially though this would go down, but i opened up to the alternative since this seem like a decent opportunity. It might be that things will still go down in the order i initialy thought.

He knows they are the commanders of the enemies, he knows how dangerous they can be. Yet he still chose to ignore them. Because why? Because Big Mom and Kaidou are still much more of a threat than them. He's not gonna stop reaching to Kaidou just because some Commanders tried to stop him. And what makes you think King is gonna do whatever the hell he wants anyway. Last time i remember, he's being choked by Marco, and Marco ain't gonna go down soon enough

 

[HA001]

Yeah, cuz Zoro got that big page of all the flashbacks and reasons for why he will defeat Kaido, also making the statement that he will surpass both him and Big Mom this chapter.

Yeah cause zoro inherited odens sword and will to cut king and has constantly mentioned getting to king all raid and even outright said hes here to slice king into pieces in 997

 

[Kuro Ashi]

How many levels do you think exist between Sanji and Luffy?

End of Wano Sanji is Yonko FM level after he defeats Queen in 1 vs 1, and Luffy is probably a top tier.

So about one whole level above Sanji.

 

[Kromage911]

He's been left behind ever since Thriller Bark/Sabaody when he fainted to a light jab to the ribs while Zoro tanked all of Luffy's damage, and when he failed to make the cutoff to become a Supernova, the leaders of the next generation.

Though I believe Sanji has been left behind a bit since the timeskip, the 2nd reason you gave is bullshit, unless you believe that strength = bounty.

 

[nik87]

End of Wano Sanji is Yonko FM

So, he will fight someone considerably weaker than himself when he faces Blackbeard pirates?

 

[hedera__helix]

Though I believe Sanji has been left behind a bit since the timeskip, the 2nd reason you gave is bullshit, unless you believe that strength = bounty.

Strength isn't equal to bounty but becoming a Supernova is more about portrayal. Oda could have easily made the bounty cutoff to become one lower or raised Sanji's bounty or excluded Zoro somehow. Him choosing to make Zoro a Supernova and not Sanji was done on purpose.

 

[rerere]

The thing I find funny is that till yesterday most of you were shitting on the Supernova/Worst Generation title, but look now

Talk about (in)coherence

 

[Kuro Ashi]

He knows they are the commanders of the enemies, he knows how dangerous they can be. Yet he still chose to ignore them. Because why? Because Big Mom and Kaidou are still much more of a threat than them. He's not gonna stop reaching to Kaidou just because some Commanders tried to stop him. And what makes you think King is gonna do whatever the hell he wants anyway. Last time i remember, he's being choked by Marco, and Marco ain't gonna go down soon enough

He has yet to see a YC getting serious in combat.

Y'all are riding the initial hype of these encounters, we're going to get a reality check in terms of how much of a threat King and Queen are. King and Queen "get choked" the way Luffy walked past Kaido and Big Mom, and then burried Kaidos face into the ground. If the reverse will be as big for them as it will be on the roof, Marco is fucked.

Like i said, it's possible that Zoro only manages to open Kaidos scar after he deals with King. So that deals with your point, he will still continue to try to get to Kaido, even if King is in his way.

 

[nik87]

The thing I find funny is that till yesterday most of you were shitting on the Supernova/Worst Generation title, but look now

Talk about (in)coherence

Quote those who were doing that. Are you sure it's not your fantasy?

 

[pg13]

WCI should be more than confirmation that Sanji's role as a fighter has been shoved to the side compared to Zoro and specialy to Luffy. Just like chopper is more of a doctor and not a fighter anymore. Hell, Franky is getting more shine than Sanji when it comes to combat for a long time now. Why cant his diehardfans just be happy with his his mr prince stunts and his cakes?

How is WCI confirmation when the straw hats didn't come there to fight and defeat the enemy? See you'd have a point If Sanji stayed in the entirety of an arc like dressrosa and didn't get a fight because dressrosa is an arc we came to fight and defeat Doflamingos crew. Its that simple.....If the objective of an arc is defeat a pirate crew the straw hats will get fights that's how the story works. Nothing has changed about Sanjis role. Its the writing of these new world arcs that has dwindled the action in the one piece story. 80% of these arcs post time skip are setup.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

So, he will fight someone considerably weaker than himself when he faces Blackbeard pirates?

No. Blackbeard's crew is stacked, he even has a former Admiral under his command.

King and Queen are comparable, same will be the case with Blackbeard's top men.

If Blackbeard reaches Roger/Whitebeard level, his top two could be Rayleigh/Scopper equivalents or near that.

 

[rerere]

Quote those who were doing that. Are you sure it's not your fantasy?

Didn't made a list of the names, but saw a lot of folks saying that during these months

This chapter was a reality check for a lot of them

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Quote those who were doing that. Are you sure it's not your fantasy?

Tbf, you're still indirectly shitting on half of them.

You shit on Sanji for not being part of the roof action, when Apoo is already Ko'ed by a Supernova that's excluded from the roof, X Drake is the Supernova that is excluded from the roof, and Hawkins is mia.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

You guys are like a person who wants food without allowing it to cook

Wait for the war arc to end before judging if Sanji is left behind or not

 

[nik87]

Didn't made a list of the names, but saw a lot of folks saying that during these months
This chapter was a reality check for a lot of them

I am sure you can find at least one to quote?

No. Blackbeard's crew is stacked, he even has a former Admiral under his command.
King and Queen are comparable, same will be the case with Blackbeard's top men.
If Blackbeard reaches Roger/Whitebeard level, his top two could be Rayleigh/Scopper equivalents or near that.

The way how big fights usually work is that Sanji improves and beats someone stronger than him...
So, him being already first mate level needs to fight someone who is above FM level among BBPs...
Are you sure in that?

Tbf, you're still indirectly shitting on half of them.

You shit on Sanji for not being part of the roof action, when Apoo is already Ko'ed by a Supernova that's excluded from the roof, X Drake is the Supernova that is excluded from the roof, and Hawkins is mia.

I am shitting on all of them when they are compared to Zoro. Sanji isnt Zoro.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

You guys are like a person who wants food without allowing it to cook

Wait for the war arc to end before judging if Sanji is left behind or not

This is like if back in EL when we had :

Zoro with Usopp as a sword having a standoff with Kaku and Jabra

Sanji vs Kalifa

People started discussing those as the locked in fights and what it says about power levels.

Imagine this forum with a Sanji defeated by Kalifa, while Zoro stands in front of Kaku and Jabra and Luffy got to Lucci.