Current Events Is Oda leaving Sanji behind?

Is sanji no longer in the league of Zoro and Luffy?

  • Yes but this gap was there from the beginning

  • Yes but the gap became more apparent since Time skip

  • Yes but sanji will close the gap in future

  • There is no gap because I read two piece

  • Gap is there but atleast his neck isn't getting squeezed like King and Queen 🤭


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#41
He will manage to open Kaido's scar, that's the role he plays on the roof and the build up of him getting Oden's sword which was used to create that scar to begin with.

@zzShinichi don't project your insecurities on me

I was on the side of Zoro vs King when many argued that he's not even strong enough to fight him, and was called someone who overestimates the SH's

I was on the side of Zoro vs King when many Sanji fans argued that Sanji should fight King, and some called me out for not siding with Sanji

I am on the side of Zoro vs King now when y'all get flustered over the fact that he's on the roof and somehow you think everything is set in stone, and the fights will go smoothly exactly as they are set up at this point in time.

You might as well also argue that Sanji will beat up Black Maria because she's the closest opponent, just get caught in the moment all the way. Actually, i've seen some make that argument.

I'm simply not being shortsighted and not letting my feelings get in the way of how i judge things in regards to these match-ups.
To open the scar means it's the climax of the battle. Do you see Zoro coming from the climax of his battle against 2 Yonkous and leaving to fight King? It would be a massive downgrade
And i have never claimed that Zoro will fight King anyway. I have always believed that he will go straight to Kaidou from the get go.
 
#42
Oda would never lower the tension like that. No one is going to care about Zoro vs King after he scars Kaido. Do you want to bet on whether he fights King? A 2-week ban for the loser sounds good to me.
You're just at that stage where you're underestimating King and Queen.

Hybrids will come out and they will be monstrous and too much to deal with for the others on top of the Flying six.

Much will change in regards to the roof. Onigashima is still in the air, and Marco is only a temporary stalling device.

The bet is risk free for me, i'll go as far as making it one sided. I'll enjoy more to see all the Zoro fans jump in the King hype train and wank him to hype Zoro more than to see you lot banned.
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To open the scar means it's the climax of the battle. Do you see Zoro coming from the climax of his battle against 2 Yonkous and leaving to fight King? It would be a massive downgrade
And i have never claimed that Zoro will fight King anyway. I have always believed that he will go straight to Kaidou from the get go.
Or it could be what makes Kaido go Hybrid, and then he goes crazy and we get a reset with everyone getting thrown of the roof into the Wano mainland.

Much can and will change before the end of Wano, these are not the final chunk of chapters.

Did you also think in Dressrosa btw that Law getting multiple fights against Doflamingo and teaming up with Luffy was much more impressive than Zoro fighting Doflamingo's subordinate ?
 
#43
Considering Oda basically dedicated an entire arc to giving Sanji a power-up, that would be a no. I don't understand how all you guys see is Big Mom and Kaido. King and Queen are still very much in this fight, and it would be absolutely idiotic if all the best fighters of the Straw Hats were up on the roof top fighting against Kaido and Big Mom, while leaving all the weaker members of the crew and alliance down stairs to deal with two characters who are leagues above them. Even with Marco there, there is no way he can deal with King and Queen on his own for an extended period of time. This will be another classic case of Sanji swooping in, and saving the weaker members of the crew, like Oda always has him do. Sanji wasn't kept from the roof top because he is too weak, he was kept from the roof top because they needed someone strong down below.
 
#44
You're just at that stage where you're underestimating King and Queen.

Hybrids will come out and they will be monstrous and too much to deal with for the others on top of the Flying six.

Much will change in regards to the roof. Onigashima is still in the air, and Marco is only a temporary stalling device.

The bet is risk free for me, i'll go as far as making it one sided. I'll enjoy more to see all the Zoro fans jump in the King hype train and wank him to hype Zoro more than to see you lot banned.
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Or it could be what makes Kaido go Hybrid, and then he goes crazy and we get a reset with everyone getting thrown of the roof into the Wano mainland.

Much can and will change before the end of Wano, these are not the final chunk of chapters.

Did you also think in Dressrosa btw that Law getting multiple fights against Doflamingo and teaming up with Luffy was much more impressive than Zoro fighting Doflamingo's subordinate ?
2 week ban for you if Zoro doesn't fight a calamity, great. @mods?
 
#45
And then got a Raid Suit.

If that's for cooking, then Oda's intention is for him to be left behind in regards to combat.

If that's for combat, then Oda's intention is for him to keep up in spite of his cooking.

Obviously, keeping up means what it's always meant. Luffy > Zoro > Sanji , and they are above everyone else.
I agree, Sanji like all other sh with the exception of Luffy, Zoro and Usopp fight on top of their primary roles in the crew. So they have to become stronger as well on top of becoming better in their primary roles eg doctor, navigator, cook, helmsman etc
 
#46
2 week ban for you if Zoro doesn't fight a calamity, great. @mods?
Just @me when you start wanking King as Zoro's opponent. Those posts will be a fun read :myman:
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I agree, Sanji like all other sh with the exception of Luffy, Zoro and Usopp fight on top of their primary roles in the crew. So they have to become stronger as well on top of becoming better in their primary roles eg doctor, navigator, cook, helmsman etc
Thing is, Sanji did just fine without a Raid Suit.

If Sanji is meant to fall behind Luffy and Zoro, why instead introduce a new type of power up so late into the game for his character ?

Oda would just let that run it's course. He can't keep up so he does not help him keep up.

He can write a Sanji that competes with Brook or Franky without invensting so much into inventing something that would allow Sanji to improve his strength in a different manner without being as combat focused as Zoro.

The Raid Suit is basically the canon explanation for why Sanji can keep up, which used to be a valid complaint pre time skip.
 

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#48
Just @me when you start wanking King as Zoro's opponent. Those posts will be a fun read :myman:
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Thing is, Sanji did just fine without a Raid Suit.

If Sanji is meant to fall behind Luffy and Zoro, why instead introduce a new type of power up so late into the game for his character ?

Oda would just let that run it's course. He can't keep up so he does not help him keep up.

He can write a Sanji that competes with Brook or Franky without invensting so much into inventing something that would allow Sanji to improve his strength in a different manner without being as combat focused as Zoro.

The Raid Suit is basically the canon explanation for why Sanji can keep up, which used to be a valid complaint pre time skip.
Hes not keeping up though. They are facing 2 yonko. He is not.
 
#49
Hes not keeping up though. They are facing 2 yonko. He is not.
He's not the first mate, Zoro is. Luffy and Kidd have their First Mates with them for this initial encounter that get's kicked off in a milestone chapter.

I think some of you get confused about what it means to keep up. For him to be exactly like Zoro it would not mean he is keeping up, it would mean he caught up with Zoro, that he's more in relation to Zoro now than he used to be in the past.

Zoro always get's pushed that extra step forward when compared to Sanji.

To make it simple for you if they were

1-2-3

to keep up it means they remain

1-2-3

not that now they are

1-2-2

instead and Sanji get's everything Zoro get's.
 
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#53
Its amazing how Hawkins can be counted as a W for Zoro but Vergo is counted as a L for Sanji. I will never understand this bullshit.

Counting Apoo and Hawkins Ws for Zoro is absoulute bullshit. However if you wanna count random moments were Zoro is sucesfull against opponents, not mattering whether they even have knowledge of him or not. Or him defeating them or not. Then Vergo, Oven, Raisin, Daikfuku and King are all Ws for Sanji.

But of course this forum lives off double standards. So who cares.
 
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#56
You're just at that stage where you're underestimating King and Queen.

Hybrids will come out and they will be monstrous and too much to deal with for the others on top of the Flying six.

Much will change in regards to the roof. Onigashima is still in the air, and Marco is only a temporary stalling device.

The bet is risk free for me, i'll go as far as making it one sided. I'll enjoy more to see all the Zoro fans jump in the King hype train and wank him to hype Zoro more than to see you lot banned.
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Or it could be what makes Kaido go Hybrid, and then he goes crazy and we get a reset with everyone getting thrown of the roof into the Wano mainland.

Much can and will change before the end of Wano, these are not the final chunk of chapters.

Did you also think in Dressrosa btw that Law getting multiple fights against Doflamingo and teaming up with Luffy was much more impressive than Zoro fighting Doflamingo's subordinate ?
Yeah, i think Dressorsa Law team up against Luffy vs Doffy and Trebol, also an executive in the same rank as Pica, is more impressive than Zoro. You got any problem with that?
Zoro is not gonna leave the fight against Kaidou. Your point makes it even concrete that Zoro will see himself as neccessary against Hybrid Kaidou. Like what would his thought be like if he decides to go fight King?
" huh, i opened Kaidou's scar, make him mad. Oh shit Kaidou transformed into hybrid. He's wrecking my captain, my fellow supernova fellow up. What should i do? Oh yeah let's go beat up King"
Does that make sense to you?
 
#57
Yeah, i think Dressorsa Law team up against Luffy vs Doffy and Trebol, also an executive in the same rank as Pica, is more impressive than Zoro. You got any problem with that?
Zoro is not gonna leave the fight against Kaidou. Your point makes it even concrete that Zoro will see himself as neccessary against Hybrid Kaidou. Like " huh, i opened Kaidou's scar, make him mad. Oh shit Kaidou transformed into hybrid. He's wrecking my captain, my fellow supernova fellow up. What should i do? Oh yeah let's go beat up King"
Does that make sense to you?
It makes sense if King proves himself to be a big enough of a threat that attempts to join that fight or targets Zoro directly.

Again, things can switch up a lot. Onigashima can land into the Wano mainland and the people can be thrown away from the roof. King could target Zoro while he's nowhere near Luffy anymore. Who knows exactly how things will play out, Zoro was on the lowest floor of Onigashima a couple of chapters ago.

Could even be that King tries to kill a Luffy wounded by Kaido and temporary KO'ed, and Zoro cuts him off and engages in that match-up.
 
#58
It makes sense if King proves himself to be a big enough of a threat that attempts to join that fight or targets Zoro directly.

Again, things can switch up a lot. Onigashima can land into the Wano mainland and the people can be thrown away from the roof. King could target Zoro while he's nowhere near Luffy anymore. Who knows exactly how things will play out, Zoro was on the lowest floor of Onigashima a couple of chapters ago.

Could even be that King tries to kill a Luffy wounded by Kaido and temporary KO'ed, and Zoro cuts him off and engages in that match-up.
King and Queen have always been a threat to the fight. By your logic, Zoro should have taken care of either Queen or King, because he's directly in Zoro's way to Kaidou and might affect the outcome of the battle on the roof.
So no, King and Queen are nowhere near the level of threat that is 2 Enraged Yonkou. By one way or another, Zoro will set his way back to the fight.
 
#60
King and Queen have always been a threat to the fight. By your logic, Zoro should have taken care of either Queen or King, because he's directly in Zoro's way to Kaidou and might affect the outcome of the battle on the roof.
So no, King and Queen are nowhere near the level of threat that is 2 Enraged Yonkou. By one way or another, Zoro will set his way back to the fight.
Zoro has yet to see what King and Queen are really capable off, ignoring them will prove to be a mistake.

It is possible that he does not manage to open Kaido's scar in this initial encounter, ends up fighting King, and then makes his way back to open Kaido's scar.

That was the order in which i initially though this would go down, but i opened up to the alternative since this seem like a decent opportunity. It might be that things will still go down in the order i initialy thought.
 
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