General & Others Is One Piece a top 3 manga?

Is One Piece a top 3 manga?

  • No

  • Yes

  • Naruto>One Piece


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#81
Ding ding ding, we have a winner for the best analogy today!


If you look at pre-skip alone it at least has a shot for all of its worldbuilding and creativity (although you already have to discount storywriting).

If you take post-skip into consideration, too, it is nowhere near top 3 status. Not even close.
Not even close to being the best shonen manga in terms of writing.

If you take pre-skip alone, it at least had an outsider shot. Knowing how post-skip went, it is MILES away from a top-3 shonen now.
You can pout and be salty all you want, HxH is miles ahead of OP in terms of writing.

Any halfway objective manga reader will tell you that.

Heck, the 2011 HxH anime even made it into the IMDB top 40 of all series ever made (one of only 3 anime, the others being FMAB and Death Note), bc the source material and anime adaptation were so good.

If you feel offended by that, ok, not my problem. You can gladly continue to post how overrated HxH is, because you're pretty alone there lmao. I mean we even have a HxH vs OP poll here on this OP fanpage and HxH won by a landslide in the category "what is better written".

Even trying to compare OP to works like FMA or HxH is an insult to them, especially when you think about post-skip OP.
Berserk, Vagabond and Monster are good calls, but like I outlined in my other thread:

What does OP offer that any other "generic" shonen (how OP fans call them) like MHA, Naruto etc. doesn't offer?

Only real answer is always "well, its longetivity and Oda's work ethic".

That's about it.

Yes, it has 1053+ chapters, but in terms of actual storywriting it's as generic and basic as it gets.

Each arc has the exact same blueprint and you know exactly how it will end in the grand scheme (I also outlined that blueprint in the other thread). It's just really repetitive and not creative at all in terms of general storywriting.

That's also why I personally would never rank it as high as Death Note, HxH or Jojo.

OP for me falls right into the Naruto, MHA, DBZ bracket in terms of writing.

OP has other strengths, but in terms of storywriting it isn't close to Death Note etc. (and yeah, I won't even start with Berserk etc., that would be ridiculous).
Well, One Piece used to be in my top 3 before WCI but then second half of WCI happened and I finally woke up from Oda's brainwashing and now it's the worst manga I read because nothing ever happens. Important plot points keep getting pushed to next arcs or they get completely discarded and we never get answers. I know much about this story now then I did since Fishman Island, which is ridiculous.
 
#82
It's on my reading list as well. I don't wanna binge it when I don't have time, since I believe Urasawa's manga should be read carefully and slowly. Would you say it's close to Monster?
I preferred 20th Century (and 21st Century Boys which is its short sequel) to Monster. It has a grander scale and a little bit more of a fantastical element though, which is why I prefer it. They are both comparable and Urasawa’s best.
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And yes, One Piece is top 3 manga for me. It’s at the top actually, and 1 sucky arc like Wano doesn’t change that.
 
#86
I haven't started Berserk and Vagabond because I am a bit iffy about starting unfinished works that I did not follow from the very beginning
Said by someone reading One Piece weekly
:choppawhat:

Also as a caveat while Berserk is continuing, Inoue is currently working on another Manga called Real (which is also amazing and now that I think about it I would also say is > One Piece) and there are no signs he will come back and finish Vagabond. It's already been 7 years since the last chapter came out.

Why would SxF over OP be a stretch? Also, Jojo's quality is a lot more consistent than OP.
Because SxF is decent at best. Jojo's quality is highly inconsistent. P1 and P2 are nowhere near the other parts, at all, and part 3 is exceptionally repetitive, perhaps the single most repetitive story i've ever read in manga. Can't really fault 4,5,7 or 8 but 6 is a big dip in quality from these as well - this is why on the balance of things I can't agree to Jojo being above OP.
 
#87
Said by someone reading One Piece weekly
:choppawhat:

Also as a caveat while Berserk is continuing, Inoue is currently working on another Manga called Real (which is also amazing and now that I think about it I would also say is > One Piece) and there are no signs he will come back and finish Vagabond. It's already been 7 years since the last chapter came out.


Because SxF is decent at best. Jojo's quality is highly inconsistent. P1 and P2 are nowhere near the other parts, at all, and part 3 is exceptionally repetitive, perhaps the single most repetitive story i've ever read in manga. Can't really fault 4,5,7 or 8 but 6 is a big dip in quality from these as well - this is why on the balance of things I can't agree to Jojo being above OP.
I have been reading One Piece since its first volume was released, dude. :lusalty:

Calling SXF decent at best is just lolworthy considering it's one of the best original works in years. The reception both to its manga and its anime is something no "decent at best" series can even dream of.

Only JoJo Part 1 can be considered "nowhere near the other parts".

Part 2 is hella underrated.

And how is Part 3 repetitive exactly? Literally every single one of Dio's fighters presented a different challenge to overcome and not everything was solved by Jotaro punching things really hard. :nicagesmile:
 
#88
I am pretty sure he meant current sales not all time.


JJK had months where it sold like 20 million copies or more, maybe even 30. TR too.


The trend with probably continue with CSM.
Is ____ the best because they outscored Pelé in a few games? Michael Jordan got shut out, Michael Jackson got knocked off the charts, Ray Robinson had 19 losses.

One Piece outsold AoT through its lifespan. Sold 37 million in one year. It came back from 6 million copies in 2008 to 14 million in 2009, sold more from 2010-2011 than JJK has in total. It'll continue now that Demon Slayer has finished and it'll go on to keep selling more and more, there's probably 20 volumes left.

But, like @Light D Lamperouge said, I'm talking about current sales and not all-time sales.

And I'm not sure how the current sales builds up OP's goated reputation while the news here displays that, per mid-June alone, OP does not even enter Top 10 currently: https://mipon.org/manga-popular-japan/
Back up, back up. You start by talking about the three top dogs and then show me a list where they aren't even top 10? Lol. I suppose it's the same issue as OP: they didn't have a release in the last month 🤷🏿‍♂️

There was someone else I think who mentioned Spy x Family or whatever it's called... that list has two bundles. Whoever bought 1-3 or 1-9 has all of those volumes combined so on an individual basis it can't compare, lol.

Those mangaka in a few years
 
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#89
Is ____ the best because they outscored Pelé in a few games? Michael Jordan got shut out, Michael Jackson got knocked off the charts, Ray Robinson had 19 losses.
I never said that whoever has the most sales is the best my dude so this is redundant. I just said plenty of manga are currently outselling One Piece, and by a big amount, which is a fact. Do you think OP is the best because it has the most sales?
 
#90
I never said that whoever has the most sales is the best my dude so this is redundant. I just said plenty of manga are currently outselling One Piece, and by a big amount, which is a fact. Do you think OP is the best because it has the most sales?
LMAO my conversation with someone else started with him saying three Jump titles were "kicking OP's ass in terms of quality and sales." Not in 2021 only, not this year as of June, etc. Quality is subjective so I'm not touching that argument, especially because when he quoted me I admitted to not reading them.

If you want to talk about terms of sales all you have is the short term, and at their peaks they manage to hang with peak OP only briefly. Don't talk about sales if all you can say is at the moment, because that shit always changes and you can count on the fact that OP will eventually beat them again.
 
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#91
LMAO my conversation with someone else started with him saying three Jump titles were "kicking OP's ass in terms of quality and sales."
Yes I know, I read it. I commented on the sales part only. I would have brought up quality too if I wanted to discuss that as well lmao. But like you I believe quality is most of the time subjective, so it would be frivolous to discuss it now.



If you want to talk about terms of sales all you have is the short term, and at their peaks they manage to hand with peak OP only briefly. Don't talk about sales if all you can say is at the moment, because that shit always changes and you can count on the fact that OP will eventually beat them again.
LMAO no need to get pressed my dude. We're discussing current sales. In recent years OP has been declining in sales and has been steamrolled by different manga in them. And that's a fact. We all know One Piece has the most sales of all time. If you want to flaunt about it sure be my guest lol.
 
#92
Yes I know, I read it. I commented on the sales part only. I would have brought up quality too if I wanted to discuss that as well lmao. But like you I believe quality is most of the time subjective, so it would be frivolous to discuss it now.




LMAO no need to get pressed my dude. We're discussing current sales. In recent years OP has been declining in sales and has been steamrolled by different manga in them. And that's a fact. We all know One Piece has the most sales of all time. If you want to flaunt about it sure be my guest lol.
I'm pressed because I... stick to my point? Or assert that OP will be back up on the charts? It's hard to assume it's not true, so I think I'm pretty chill lol. People were saying all this shit about JJK or Demon Slayer which finished, and they don't even chart now. I think the end of Wano sucks but volumes 91-104 are still going to beat pretty much any stretch of a similar length that you can imagine, and TR will probably end up like every other title that "beats OP" by the time Wano is fully collected.
 

Light D Lamperouge

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#93
I'm pressed because I... stick to my point? Or assert that OP will be back up on the charts? I
The pressed part was referring to this
Don't talk about sales if all you can say is at the moment,
But never mind.


t's hard to assume it's not true, so I think I'm pretty chill lol.
You're free to assume so my dude.


People were saying all this shit about JJK or Demon Slayer which finished, and they don't even chart now.
Wdym they don't even chart? I've shown you the charts for May and June and JJK is always on them. Kimetsu sales will probably go up again when the 3rd season comes out. JJK sales will also most likely increase with the 2nd season as well.
 
#94
All time or only ongoing ?

Ive read so many mangas , there r many whom i can place over One piece simply because i enjoyed them more..but they not known to many or not everyone can like them. Its subjective.

Among on going yes One piece is there at No1 for me. Ive tried to read many ongoing manga but excpet 1 or 2 none hooked me as much as OP. I hate many things about OP post tsk but i always end up reading it again .
1) One Piece
2) Kingdom
3) One Punch Man / MHA

I reading these series on weekly basis (OPM is monthly series)
 
#96
All time or only ongoing ?

Ive read so many mangas , there r many whom i can place over One piece simply because i enjoyed them more..but they not known to many or not everyone can like them. Its subjective.

Among on going yes One piece is there at No1 for me. Ive tried to read many ongoing manga but excpet 1 or 2 none hooked me as much as OP. I hate many things about OP post tsk but i always end up reading it again .
1) One Piece
2) Kingdom
3) One Punch Man / MHA

I reading these series on weekly basis (OPM is monthly series)
Hmm..all time ! I dont think that OP is in my top 3 any longer . May be will be back once it ends (depends on how end) right now im not enjoying it as much i used too..
  1. Berserk
  2. Yamada Kun and 7 witches
  3. Naruto /Kingdom
For top 2 and 3 majority will not like it . And im aware of it. But personally ive reread those mangas more than 10 times from start to finish..thats not the case with One piece.
In all thse years ivent read single arc again of one piece...One piece is like mystory u r waiting to reveal..
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My above list was subjective..
But by using your criteria
I would rank
  1. Berserk
  2. Vagabond
  3. Death Note
  4. Monster
  5. One Piece
 
#98
Wdym they don't even chart? I've shown you the charts for May and June and JJK is always on them. Kimetsu sales will probably go up again when the 3rd season comes out. JJK sales will also most likely increase with the 2nd season as well.
Top-selling shonen manga by volume in mid-June are:


Tokyo Revengers (Vol. 28)
The Heroic Legend of Arslan (Vol.17)
Spy × Family (Vol.1-3 Box Set)
One Punch Man (Vol.26)
Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End (Vol.8)
One Punch Man (Vol.25)
Kaiju No.8 (Vol.7)
Spy × Family (Vol.1-9 Box Set)
Yomi no Tsugai (Vol.1)
Ace of the Diamond act II (Vol.31)

That's what I mean.

Tokyo Revengers is #1 but OP 1997-2001 sold as much as TR 2017-2022 so far
 
#99
:handsup:
LMAO my conversation with someone else started with him saying three Jump titles were "kicking OP's ass in terms of quality and sales." Not in 2021 only, not this year as of June, etc. Quality is subjective so I'm not touching that argument, especially because when he quoted me I admitted to not reading them.

If you want to talk about terms of sales all you have is the short term, and at their peaks they manage to hang with peak OP only briefly. Don't talk about sales if all you can say is at the moment, because that shit always changes and you can count on the fact that OP will eventually beat them again.
Fair enough. :handsup:

Let's pick another topic, then: OP's manga sales have factually been declining the last several years. Don't you think it has anything to do with the decline of its writing quality?
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It is top dog in endurance at least. All other mangas outshining it will start and end before One Piece even finishes a single arc.
CMIIW, but I think JoJo has OP beat in regards of endurance.
 

Light D Lamperouge

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Top-selling shonen manga by volume in mid-June are:


Tokyo Revengers (Vol. 28)
The Heroic Legend of Arslan (Vol.17)
Spy × Family (Vol.1-3 Box Set)
One Punch Man (Vol.26)
Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End (Vol.8)
One Punch Man (Vol.25)
Kaiju No.8 (Vol.7)
Spy × Family (Vol.1-9 Box Set)
Yomi no Tsugai (Vol.1)
Ace of the Diamond act II (Vol.31)

That's what I mean.

Tokyo Revengers is #1 but OP 1997-2001 sold as much as TR 2017-2022 so far
Those are strictly volume sales my man. The charts I've shown you are weekly sales.
These are the charts from May and June


OP barely cracks top 10 or doesn't even manage that.
With the final one being the volume sales for May. And JJK had only one chapter in June when the list you're quoting was made.
 
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