The plotkai power scaling is out of control and its one of the things that I hate most about shonen. But in this instance, I'm really enjoying it. The rooftop battle has been incredible and even though Luffy powering up to this extent after being knocked out by one of Kaido's strongest attacks could be seen as bullshit, I am still hyped about current and future events. I won't be happy if Kaido goes down here though. There needs to be a Round 2. And no, the Conquerors Haki does not ruin Zoro.
Current Events Is One Piece Turning Into Naruto? Does Conqueror’s Haki Ruin Zoro?
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Not sure why people are bringing in real life talk when talking about the narrative of a specific fictional story.
Real life talk or how common a trope is in other works of fiction is not all that relevant. Other folk are simply using Naruto, not as an example of why the "Chosen One" trope is bad but as an example of a "Chosen One" trope being introduced and screwing up the earlier established narrative of a story (a "Hard Work Beats All" theme).
The real deal is did One Piece ever have a "Hard Work Beats All" theme or narrative to begin with?
As far as I can see, no it never did. It was always about fate, destiny etc. etc. Thus a "Chosen One" gimmick does not change anything narratively.
Hell, the entire concept of devil fruits involves a shit load of luck.
"Eat a random fruit son. You will either get something awesome like controlling a whole arse element or a lame deal like being able to shit cobwebs or something. I don't know. Oh and you won't ever be able to swim again in a world that is like 90+% water.".
Real life talk or how common a trope is in other works of fiction is not all that relevant. Other folk are simply using Naruto, not as an example of why the "Chosen One" trope is bad but as an example of a "Chosen One" trope being introduced and screwing up the earlier established narrative of a story (a "Hard Work Beats All" theme).
The real deal is did One Piece ever have a "Hard Work Beats All" theme or narrative to begin with?
As far as I can see, no it never did. It was always about fate, destiny etc. etc. Thus a "Chosen One" gimmick does not change anything narratively.
Hell, the entire concept of devil fruits involves a shit load of luck.
"Eat a random fruit son. You will either get something awesome like controlling a whole arse element or a lame deal like being able to shit cobwebs or something. I don't know. Oh and you won't ever be able to swim again in a world that is like 90+% water.".
Well I think the narrative involving getting CoC is actually a good one. Yes, it's something 1 in a million people are born with, but at the same time, it's not something they can manifest unless they themselves choose to go on and become great. So it's not like just because they were born with it, it automatically means they are going to unlock it. To me, it would honestly be rather hard to believe if billions of people across the planet are capable of unlocking CoC, yet only a couple actually manage to do it. The net of potential candidates would be to vast, and with the amount of people who actually try to make a name for themselves in the series, the number of CoC users should be exponentially higher, and then the ability wouldn't be special at all.
I don't mind it and it doesn't ruin Zoro for me. What I do find problematic is what it means for the goal of becoming the WSS. If it turns out that it is a requirement to become WSS then it kinda ruins the weight of the whole backstory with Kuina.
Her problem of men being stronger, a simple 50% issue suddenly becomes something that only 0.001% of people ever had any hope of doing anyway.
I guess there is still a chance that CoC doesn't count for swordsmanship but with the way things are going that seems unlikely.
Her problem of men being stronger, a simple 50% issue suddenly becomes something that only 0.001% of people ever had any hope of doing anyway.
I guess there is still a chance that CoC doesn't count for swordsmanship but with the way things are going that seems unlikely.
Only people with certain qualities have CoC, its not a haki that weak willed fodder would have...Soo it makes sense that only strong willed people like Luffy and Zoro get it, and it also makes sense that people with this kind of strong will to put in the work to achieve their ambitions and dreams has what it take to become very big shots in that universe.
I EXITED my lurking status to end this madness. For one, Conquerors is neither genetic nor hereditary. Its spiritual by nature as is haki as a whole but more importantly CoC is tied closely to the concept of fate. Those who have it tend to be ambitious through their own will and agency as haki by its fundamentals is willpower meaning turning your will into power and this situation people are having is that Zoro, the guy who is all about unbroken will and absolute resolve has CONQUERORS HAKI? Did you forget the word CONQUERORS in the title??? What's Zoros goal again? To be the worlds strongest swordsman? Shouldn't that require oh I don't know conquering the toughest opponents? I get that not everyone likes it because you cant just get it like you can with CoO or CoA and that its more tied to your spirit than anything and that spirit should be more of a leader than a follower, but have we become this cynical to call it as bad as Naruto where the destiny/reincarnation subplot was takt on at best and Kishi finding ways to make Naruto relevant to the story that dumped him and is too busy kissing up to Sasuke at WORST? And that's not what made Naruto bad. Naruto was LITERALLY born with a kaiju in his stomach and was clearly set up to be the son of the fourth hokage so don't give the underdog crap, we all knew Naruto was gonna be running shit eventually. Rock Lee was an underdog, Naruto was just a victim of childhood trauma and isolation (which is fine). NO the problem Naruto face was that overtime Naruto outside of lore importance was simply a boring character with 0 agency and 100% reactionary to the plot and was becoming more stale and a punching bag you call a protagonist that it became painful to see whenever he showed up. Naruto became shit when him and team 7 relationship with Sasuke have become so TOXIC it became a prime example of what NOT to do when writing what ever the fuck Kishi was attempting with that whole ordeal. But more importantly Naruto became shit when nearly every genocidal maniac had zero accountability for their actions, have zero will of their own as their minds are immediately changed by Naruto giving a stern talk no jutsu yeah I said it KEEP READING, and even manage to convince the "good guys" into thinking they were the coolest. So no the relationship between Luffy and his family is far more nuanced than Naruto and Im just your everyday prodigy that invented space time ninja powers and any thing joyboy related, prophecy related whatever wont even come close to the shit show that was Borutos I married my cousin because the original intent was too marry Sakura but because she was written to be insufferable and useless fans preferred the obvious choice between the red herring that turned out to be distantly related to the main characterDad
TLDR; Im not the biggest fan of Naruto
TLDR; Im not the biggest fan of Naruto
@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung what is your opinion now?
No, because all of the other top tier swordsmen probably have it as well.
What I do think is turning one piece into naruto is the whole parallels between the current generation and the past.
Luffy is the next Roger and the next Joy Boy
Zoro is the next Ryuma
I'm just waiting for Oda to reveal that there was this one good king of germa, and now Sanji will be the next version of that guy as well.
At some point you have to question if Luffy literally is joy boy or something
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What I do think is turning one piece into naruto is the whole parallels between the current generation and the past.
Luffy is the next Roger and the next Joy Boy
Zoro is the next Ryuma
I'm just waiting for Oda to reveal that there was this one good king of germa, and now Sanji will be the next version of that guy as well.
At some point you have to question if Luffy literally is joy boy or something
Nothing has changed. If Zoro was not related to Ryuma, he would not have unlocked his ass-pull conqueror’s haki powerup and would thus lose his fight against King. Hell, he would’ve lost his fight to Kaku as well.
Zoro’s hard work and training went down the toilet as soon as Oda revealed that the secret to Zoro winning fights is that he is Ryuma sperm lol. His “impossible dream” turned into his generic destiny, and Zoro as a character is ruined as a result.
Zoro unlocking an unearned powerup against King reinforces his character going down the toilet.
Zoro’s hard work and training went down the toilet as soon as Oda revealed that the secret to Zoro winning fights is that he is Ryuma sperm lol. His “impossible dream” turned into his generic destiny, and Zoro as a character is ruined as a result.
Zoro unlocking an unearned powerup against King reinforces his character going down the toilet.
Yes and also we are in endgame we will see power boost and asspulls everywhere . Kishi barely explained some of the things .
Brace yourself this is how most mangas will end . I wouldnt be surprised if shp all become yonko level by eos . If oda handles power explanation well it will be praised or it will be hated .
I do think like naruto ,bleach, AoT ending . One piece fans will be divided about it.
Brace yourself this is how most mangas will end . I wouldnt be surprised if shp all become yonko level by eos . If oda handles power explanation well it will be praised or it will be hated .
I do think like naruto ,bleach, AoT ending . One piece fans will be divided about it.
Well it depend on environmental, knowledge, hard work, luck to succeed in real life.
If I am born in usa and got involved in American-football and weight lifting and exercise earlier, I may end up play college football. (I did start playing football at age 15, and weight lifting and excerise seriously at age 15, before that, I literally have no knowledge on this both things). Okay, I am not main character or something. Maybe this not good example.
Zoro case was born in East blue right ? Start sword trading at younger age (I never have serious sport training or exercises like zoro, closet thing I play sport as kid is soccer but it not serious stuff). Zoro at age 10 have more knowledge about exercise than me at teenager. Zoro grow up with right people to help him train sword skills. Zoro did hard work to rain with his body as we see his training.
If zoro did not grow up in dojo sword skill, then zoro would not be swordman as we know today. He will be nameless fodder character, or become marine, or the cop.
Zoro coc is that he is born with it So he is like born talent guy. But it does not ruin his hard work stuff.
Garp is non coc user yet able to fight roger who is advanced coc user.
With all the talks people are born specials are powerful than normal people even they work hard.
It kind make me want to write story a character to face powerful enemies who has genetic advantage, knowledge advantage, and more luck than you. My character is just strong guy who work hard on his body and do everything to research on strength wise. of course this character is not born with special people or his ancestor, just normal parents.
If I am born in usa and got involved in American-football and weight lifting and exercise earlier, I may end up play college football. (I did start playing football at age 15, and weight lifting and excerise seriously at age 15, before that, I literally have no knowledge on this both things). Okay, I am not main character or something. Maybe this not good example.
Zoro case was born in East blue right ? Start sword trading at younger age (I never have serious sport training or exercises like zoro, closet thing I play sport as kid is soccer but it not serious stuff). Zoro at age 10 have more knowledge about exercise than me at teenager. Zoro grow up with right people to help him train sword skills. Zoro did hard work to rain with his body as we see his training.
If zoro did not grow up in dojo sword skill, then zoro would not be swordman as we know today. He will be nameless fodder character, or become marine, or the cop.
Zoro coc is that he is born with it So he is like born talent guy. But it does not ruin his hard work stuff.
Garp is non coc user yet able to fight roger who is advanced coc user.
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With all the talks people are born specials are powerful than normal people even they work hard.
It kind make me want to write story a character to face powerful enemies who has genetic advantage, knowledge advantage, and more luck than you. My character is just strong guy who work hard on his body and do everything to research on strength wise. of course this character is not born with special people or his ancestor, just normal parents.
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