See, this is an example of why over-the-top powerscaling can mess with the plot. If Featherine for example is almighty and can mess with godly powers etc, then why did she need help from other witch to resurrect herself, and why is there one weakness on her head? Its too full of plot holes even from first reading. Giving overgodly portrayal in lore and story setting is cool, but you can't really juggle this kind/stage of power concept properly since story makers don't even have the ability to imagine what problems or obstacle or challengr a godlike being will have. Thus making the story stale.
Nah, this is you just misunderstanding the context of the story.
The last chapter you just watched was a "game" or "play". It was still ultimately all make believe. The Witches were playing their part as characters in a story.
What we saw wasn't Featherine, but an avatar of Featherine. A role played by the entity behind Featherine.
Likewise, what was killed was not Lambdadelta's true form, but rather a physical manifestation of her avatar.
Voyager Witches in their true form are the embodiment of a concept that permeates all realms and possibilities. The avatars we see are mere physical manifestations. As for why Featherine's avatar has that one weakness, who knows? Perhaps Featherine found it to be more entertaining if her avatar was not itself invulnerable.
The reason Featherine is described as having had help to resurrect, is because Witches "die" of boredom, but given that they're immortal, they regain consciousness and form whenever they start thinking again. The other Witch helps alleviate her boredom, so she keeps that "fatal" illness away.
Anyway, this is just a case of you talking out of your arse because you read one chapter and commented on it without understanding any of the context behind it in the broader story.
Umineko is at its core about solving mysteries, and character relationships. The powerscaling is anywhere from secondary to irrelevant. Given how much of its story is ultimately make believe, it's not clear what powerscaling inconsistencies if any would exist.
The last chapter you just watched was a "game" or "play". It was still ultimately all make believe. The Witches were playing their part as characters in a story.
What we saw wasn't Featherine, but an avatar of Featherine. A role played by the entity behind Featherine.
Likewise, what was killed was not Lambdadelta's true form, but rather a physical manifestation of her avatar.
Voyager Witches in their true form are the embodiment of a concept that permeates all realms and possibilities. The avatars we see are mere physical manifestations. As for why Featherine's avatar has that one weakness, who knows? Perhaps Featherine found it to be more entertaining if her avatar was not itself invulnerable.
The reason Featherine is described as having had help to resurrect, is because Witches "die" of boredom, but given that they're immortal, they regain consciousness and form whenever they start thinking again. The other Witch helps alleviate her boredom, so she keeps that "fatal" illness away.
Anyway, this is just a case of you talking out of your arse because you read one chapter and commented on it without understanding any of the context behind it in the broader story.
Umineko is at its core about solving mysteries, and character relationships. The powerscaling is anywhere from secondary to irrelevant. Given how much of its story is ultimately make believe, it's not clear what powerscaling inconsistencies if any would exist.
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So you subjectively assume that Featherine think it will be more entertaining and deny what her opponent which has some tier of in-verse knowledge state about her? In that case it's you talking as oppose to the panel shown.
And also she needs help to alleviate her boredom? Boredom is a fatal illness to an all-powerful figure? Regain consciousness so they had a period in which they dont have consciousness, so an existence permeating all realms and possibilities have a moment of having no control over themselves? Still seems like the same case as Marvel and DC's over-the-top omnipotence dominance over plot coherence to me.
And also she needs help to alleviate her boredom? Boredom is a fatal illness to an all-powerful figure? Regain consciousness so they had a period in which they dont have consciousness, so an existence permeating all realms and possibilities have a moment of having no control over themselves? Still seems like the same case as Marvel and DC's over-the-top omnipotence dominance over plot coherence to me.
Now this is what i call a negg-diff
Also, Cinera, can you recommend some sources to start getting into Umineko verse?
Also, Cinera, can you recommend some sources to start getting into Umineko verse?
There are video uploads of each episode of the Visual Novel (the original material) on YouTube, but total playing time is pretty long, so I'm not sure you'll be willing to sit through it.
This playlist is probably pretty comprehensive.
Here's an in-depth blog explaining the cosmology.
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I think they could be about equal but I could see GER edging.
Also doesn't GER have to kill the target before its infinite loop activates? Yhwach could just go to a future where Giorno doesn't have GER or loses it and just kill him there and then.
I only finished reading Golden Wind for the first time a couple of days ago so If I have misunderstood anything I apologise.
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Also doesn't GER have to kill the target before its infinite loop activates? Yhwach could just go to a future where Giorno doesn't have GER or loses it and just kill him there and then.
I only finished reading Golden Wind for the first time a couple of days ago so If I have misunderstood anything I apologise.
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What Alpha Force? I know several.
Absolutely. Especially when you realize that Dragon Shouts (Tu'um) are not some "dragon magic" but a reality warping that manipulates the strings of reality and by lore can bust continents. And Multiversal+ Et'ada, CHIM, Numidium, The Godhead and etc.
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Absolutely. Especially when you realize that Dragon Shouts (Tu'um) are not some "dragon magic" but a reality warping that manipulates the strings of reality and by lore can bust continents. And Multiversal+ Et'ada, CHIM, Numidium, The Godhead and etc.
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No, I am speaking from my knowledge about the verse.
"Featherine Augustus Aurora" is a role that is being played by a character. She also plays a role as an ordinary human author.
Featherine's Witch form is just a role to her.
In general, for all Voyager Witches, their avatars are just physical manifestations.
Consider this part of the lore of the verse.
She's not supposed to be omnipotent in the world of Umineko. She's just the most powerful of the Witches.
Yes, the all powerful Witches can in fact lose their identity.
If they stop thinking, they stop existing. Their "identity" ceases to be.
Consider the power/title/concept/law the Witch embodies to be different from the identity/personality that embodies that concept. When the Witch "dies", the consciousness ceases to be, but the concept they embody still exists, so they are never truly dead. If they start thinking again, they regain that consciousness.
What dies is their consciousness/personality.
Perhaps their "death" to boredom is simply that they stop thinking and so cease to be conscious.
Anyway, the entire setup of the When They Cry verse is these uber powerful Witches entertaining themselves and one another through stories and worlds they create. It's not about crazy powerscaling. The crazy powerscaling comes from the complexity of the stories and worlds they create, and the entire cosmology supporting it. Yeah, there is a crazy powerscale, but it's really secondary or tertiary to the entire story. Unlike DC/Marvel, the crazy powerscaling is just a backdrop of the story and not the point.
Think of how in the Cthulhu Mythos, the Outer Gods are only so powerful as a setting element to tell a tale of existential horror. There isn't a Shounen type campaign to defeat all the Outer Gods or anything similar. Umineko is like that.
Fundamentally, the plot of Umineko is about one such story created by a Witch for her entertainment. Umineko isn't about powerscaling. Power levels and the like are very fickle, and characters power levels fluctuate a lot, in part because some characters are confined to a role or a piece on the gameboard of a Witch, or a character becomes a Witch, or a character is a role being played by another character, etc.
"Featherine Augustus Aurora" is a role that is being played by a character. She also plays a role as an ordinary human author.
Featherine's Witch form is just a role to her.
In general, for all Voyager Witches, their avatars are just physical manifestations.
Consider this part of the lore of the verse.
She's not supposed to be omnipotent in the world of Umineko. She's just the most powerful of the Witches.
Yes, the all powerful Witches can in fact lose their identity.
If they stop thinking, they stop existing. Their "identity" ceases to be.
Consider the power/title/concept/law the Witch embodies to be different from the identity/personality that embodies that concept. When the Witch "dies", the consciousness ceases to be, but the concept they embody still exists, so they are never truly dead. If they start thinking again, they regain that consciousness.
What dies is their consciousness/personality.
Perhaps their "death" to boredom is simply that they stop thinking and so cease to be conscious.
Anyway, the entire setup of the When They Cry verse is these uber powerful Witches entertaining themselves and one another through stories and worlds they create. It's not about crazy powerscaling. The crazy powerscaling comes from the complexity of the stories and worlds they create, and the entire cosmology supporting it. Yeah, there is a crazy powerscale, but it's really secondary or tertiary to the entire story. Unlike DC/Marvel, the crazy powerscaling is just a backdrop of the story and not the point.
Think of how in the Cthulhu Mythos, the Outer Gods are only so powerful as a setting element to tell a tale of existential horror. There isn't a Shounen type campaign to defeat all the Outer Gods or anything similar. Umineko is like that.
Fundamentally, the plot of Umineko is about one such story created by a Witch for her entertainment. Umineko isn't about powerscaling. Power levels and the like are very fickle, and characters power levels fluctuate a lot, in part because some characters are confined to a role or a piece on the gameboard of a Witch, or a character becomes a Witch, or a character is a role being played by another character, etc.
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