General & Others Is this the biggest asspull in the series?
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Also, i don't like how much stronger Law got so quickly
He had many chances of beating Doflamingo during Dressrosa, but still got beaten and humilliated. I know its most due to plot, because Luffy should get all the clout, not Law, but its just bad.
Then suddenly blud can beat Big Mom with Kid's help, and fight 2 Younkous, get beaten and come back with ease.. He never even beat someone comparable to a YC, makes no sense.
At least Kid was hinted to have fought Cracker and doing well against him, so you couldn't even tell how strong he actually was, and he had all the rivalry thing with Luffy in Wano ever since Udon..
He had many chances of beating Doflamingo during Dressrosa, but still got beaten and humilliated. I know its most due to plot, because Luffy should get all the clout, not Law, but its just bad.
Then suddenly blud can beat Big Mom with Kid's help, and fight 2 Younkous, get beaten and come back with ease.. He never even beat someone comparable to a YC, makes no sense.
At least Kid was hinted to have fought Cracker and doing well against him, so you couldn't even tell how strong he actually was, and he had all the rivalry thing with Luffy in Wano ever since Udon..
Also, i don't like how much stronger Law got so quickly
He had many chances of beating Doflamingo during Dressrosa, but still got beaten and humilliated. I know its most due to plot, because Luffy should get all the clout, not Law, but its just bad.
Then suddenly blud can beat Big Mom with Kid's help, and fight 2 Younkous, get beaten and come back with ease.. He never even beat a YC
At least Kid was hinted to have fought Cracker, so you couldn't even tell how strong he was
He had many chances of beating Doflamingo during Dressrosa, but still got beaten and humilliated. I know its most due to plot, because Luffy should get all the clout, not Law, but its just bad.
Then suddenly blud can beat Big Mom with Kid's help, and fight 2 Younkous, get beaten and come back with ease.. He never even beat a YC
At least Kid was hinted to have fought Cracker, so you couldn't even tell how strong he was
Anyway Law simply got more skilled with his DF. I mean.. Not much you can say there.
I know but Luffy also got stronger between those each 3 crocodile fights despite jobbing and doing nothing in between them
Like I said nothing new
One piece also has a very telegraphed and obvious lack of training arcs, compared to every other shounen beside the Timeskip, if you count that as an arc.
Oda brushed that away with they get stronger from traveling and fighting but we all know that's kinda bs, the characters are just as strong oda at the moment feels like
Like I said nothing new
One piece also has a very telegraphed and obvious lack of training arcs, compared to every other shounen beside the Timeskip, if you count that as an arc.
Oda brushed that away with they get stronger from traveling and fighting but we all know that's kinda bs, the characters are just as strong oda at the moment feels like
It wasn't hinted that Kid got destroyed by one, it was hinted that he entered an Yonkou's territory, which people used to say that its impossible to get out, then overwhelmed a high ranked officer of said Younkou's crew and stole a copy of their poneglyph.
Luffy beat Cracker, then Katakuri (who some say he didn't won, because Katakuri gave up).
How is that comparable to Law getting wrecked by Doflamingo multiple times to the point of losing an arm and almost getting killed, then proceeding to fight 2 Yonkous and help to "beat" Big Mom in a 2vs1?
Oda simply made it look like he didn't stood a chance against Doflamingo.
Insane powercreep here, asspull, doesn't fit the standards for the other Supernovas. Oda didn't handled it well
How is that comparable to Law getting wrecked by Doflamingo multiple times to the point of losing an arm and almost getting killed, then proceeding to fight 2 Yonkous and help to "beat" Big Mom in a 2vs1?
Oda simply made it look like he didn't stood a chance against Doflamingo.
Insane powercreep here, asspull, doesn't fit the standards for the other Supernovas. Oda didn't handled it well
It wasn't hinted that Kid got destroyed by one, it was hinted that he entered an Yonkou's territory, which people used to say that its impossible to get out, then overwhelmed an high ranked officer of an Younkou's crew and stole a copy of their poneglyph.
Luffy beat Cracker, then Katakuri (who some say he didn't won, because Katakuri gave up).
How is that comparable to Law getting wrecked by Doflamingo multiple times to the point of losing an arm and almost getting killed, then proceeding beating Big Mom in a 2vs1?
Insane powercreep here, asspull, doesn't fit the standards for the other Supernovas. Oda didn't handled it well
How is that comparable to Law getting wrecked by Doflamingo multiple times to the point of losing an arm and almost getting killed, then proceeding beating Big Mom in a 2vs1?
Insane powercreep here, asspull, doesn't fit the standards for the other Supernovas. Oda didn't handled it well
Two: I'm guessing Law just got his money up after Doffy beat him. What other reason is there for it? He just improved..
I mean you can dislike it or call it asspull I don't really care about that, just saying, like I demonstrated, its nothing new even if you compare it to the early parts of pre-ts one piece-
The situation in question being a ACoC sky split is visually and powerlevel wise more of a big deal I guess, but conceptually its exactly whats happening since the first 5 years of the story
The powerlevels might escalated but its the same principal underlying. You can argue Oda has not shown enough of luffys mental state and didn't show how he pushed to that level with "will" or I guess but even in that case I would not say this is remotely close to the biggest asspull in one piece, which @L57 said it was
The situation in question being a ACoC sky split is visually and powerlevel wise more of a big deal I guess, but conceptually its exactly whats happening since the first 5 years of the story
The powerlevels might escalated but its the same principal underlying. You can argue Oda has not shown enough of luffys mental state and didn't show how he pushed to that level with "will" or I guess but even in that case I would not say this is remotely close to the biggest asspull in one piece, which @L57 said it was
One thing is struggling against a strong enemy
Another thing is trying your best to beat said enemy, and still lose.
Then proceed to fight and beat much stronger opponents without looking like you're struggling just as much.
At that point, nobody could say how strong Kid was. Luffy had fought and beat Doflamingo (with help, but he did overwhelmed anything Doflamingo tried to do at some point), then fighting Cracker (with help, but that is post Doflamingo Luffy, and he still struggled and had a lil bit of help), then he fights Katakuri, gets a Haki bloom, manages to fight Katakuri in equal terms and (supposedly) wins the fight. That is way ahead of how strong Oda made Law look like.
Since you're a Sanji fan (
), imagine Sanji having the opportunity to fight Doflamingo multiple times, learning all his moves and abilities (actually Law already knew that previously), but he still gets beaten everytime and loses a leg. Then a few arcs later, without doing anything worthy strengthwise, he is on the rooftop fighting two Younkous without much problems, despite struggling, then helping to beat one of them in a 2vs1.
It simply doesn't fit. Oda should've gave Law a Commander level opponent to make us feel like he has the potential.
I could even bring up Zoro, who is a Supernova, he didn't beat anyone worthy of praise like a Commander level character up until Wano, but he got a power up supposed to boost his AP and train his Armament Haki, and went to the rooftop, gave the best he could post-timeskip using Enma and showed Conqueror's Haki, then he fought King, he struggled, got better control of Enma and then got CoC coating, and then beat King in a 1vs1 who has a bounty considerably above 1 Bi. This is an example of an actual strength progression.
What did Law got? Blud simply got much stronger due to getting beaten multiple times in the worst ways possible?
Another thing is trying your best to beat said enemy, and still lose.
Then proceed to fight and beat much stronger opponents without looking like you're struggling just as much.
At that point, nobody could say how strong Kid was. Luffy had fought and beat Doflamingo (with help, but he did overwhelmed anything Doflamingo tried to do at some point), then fighting Cracker (with help, but that is post Doflamingo Luffy, and he still struggled and had a lil bit of help), then he fights Katakuri, gets a Haki bloom, manages to fight Katakuri in equal terms and (supposedly) wins the fight. That is way ahead of how strong Oda made Law look like.
Since you're a Sanji fan (
), imagine Sanji having the opportunity to fight Doflamingo multiple times, learning all his moves and abilities (actually Law already knew that previously), but he still gets beaten everytime and loses a leg. Then a few arcs later, without doing anything worthy strengthwise, he is on the rooftop fighting two Younkous without much problems, despite struggling, then helping to beat one of them in a 2vs1.It simply doesn't fit. Oda should've gave Law a Commander level opponent to make us feel like he has the potential.
I could even bring up Zoro, who is a Supernova, he didn't beat anyone worthy of praise like a Commander level character up until Wano, but he got a power up supposed to boost his AP and train his Armament Haki, and went to the rooftop, gave the best he could post-timeskip using Enma and showed Conqueror's Haki, then he fought King, he struggled, got better control of Enma and then got CoC coating, and then beat King in a 1vs1 who has a bounty considerably above 1 Bi. This is an example of an actual strength progression.
What did Law got? Blud simply got much stronger due to getting beaten multiple times in the worst ways possible?
One thing is struggling against a strong enemy
Another thing is trying your best to beat said enemy, and still lose.
Then proceed to fight and beat much stronger opponents without looking like you're struggling just as much.
At that point, nobody could say how strong Kid was. Luffy had fought and beat Doflamingo (with help, but he did overwhelmed anything Doflamingo tried to do at some point), then fighting Cracker (with help, but that is post Doflamingo Luffy, and he still struggled and had a lil bit of help), then he fights Katakuri, gets a Haki bloom, manages to fight Katakuri in equal terms and (supposedly) wins the fight. That is way ahead of how strong Oda made Law look like.
Since you're a Sanji fan (), imagine Sanji having the opportunity to fight Doflamingo multiple times, learning all his moves and abilities (actually Law already knew that previously), but he still gets beaten everytime and loses a leg. Then a few arcs later, without doing anything worthy strengthwise, he is on the rooftop fighting two Younkous without much problems, despite struggling, then helping to beat one of them in a 2vs1.
It simply doesn't fit. Oda should've gave Law a Commander level opponent to make us feel like he has the potential.
I could even bring up Zoro, who is a Supernova, he didn't beat anyone worthy of praise such a Commander up until Wano, but he got a power up supposed to boost his AP and train his Armament Haki, and went to the rooftop, gave his best post-timeskip and showed Conqueror's Haki, then he fought King, he struggled, got better control of Enma and then got CoC coating, and then beat King in a 1vs1 who has a bounty considerably above 1 Bi. This is an example of an actual strength progression.
What did Law got? Blud simply got stronger due to getting beaten multiple times in the worst ways possible?
Another thing is trying your best to beat said enemy, and still lose.
Then proceed to fight and beat much stronger opponents without looking like you're struggling just as much.
At that point, nobody could say how strong Kid was. Luffy had fought and beat Doflamingo (with help, but he did overwhelmed anything Doflamingo tried to do at some point), then fighting Cracker (with help, but that is post Doflamingo Luffy, and he still struggled and had a lil bit of help), then he fights Katakuri, gets a Haki bloom, manages to fight Katakuri in equal terms and (supposedly) wins the fight. That is way ahead of how strong Oda made Law look like.
Since you're a Sanji fan (
), imagine Sanji having the opportunity to fight Doflamingo multiple times, learning all his moves and abilities (actually Law already knew that previously), but he still gets beaten everytime and loses a leg. Then a few arcs later, without doing anything worthy strengthwise, he is on the rooftop fighting two Younkous without much problems, despite struggling, then helping to beat one of them in a 2vs1.It simply doesn't fit. Oda should've gave Law a Commander level opponent to make us feel like he has the potential.
I could even bring up Zoro, who is a Supernova, he didn't beat anyone worthy of praise such a Commander up until Wano, but he got a power up supposed to boost his AP and train his Armament Haki, and went to the rooftop, gave his best post-timeskip and showed Conqueror's Haki, then he fought King, he struggled, got better control of Enma and then got CoC coating, and then beat King in a 1vs1 who has a bounty considerably above 1 Bi. This is an example of an actual strength progression.
What did Law got? Blud simply got stronger due to getting beaten multiple times in the worst ways possible?
One thing is struggling against a strong enemy
Another thing is trying your best to beat said enemy, and still lose.
Then proceed to fight and beat much stronger opponents without looking like you're struggling just as much.
At that point, nobody could say how strong Kid was. Luffy had fought and beat Doflamingo (with help, but he did overwhelmed anything Doflamingo tried to do at some point), then fighting Cracker (with help, but that is post Doflamingo Luffy, and he still struggled and had a lil bit of help), then he fights Katakuri, gets a Haki bloom, manages to fight Katakuri in equal terms and (supposedly) wins the fight. That is way ahead of how strong Oda made Law look like.
Since you're a Sanji fan (), imagine Sanji having the opportunity to fight Doflamingo multiple times, learning all his moves and abilities (actually Law already knew that previously), but he still gets beaten everytime and loses a leg. Then a few arcs later, without doing anything worthy strengthwise, he is on the rooftop fighting two Younkous without much problems, despite struggling, then helping to beat one of them in a 2vs1.
It simply doesn't fit. Oda should've gave Law a Commander level opponent to make us feel like he has the potential.
I could even bring up Zoro, who is a Supernova, he didn't beat anyone worthy of praise like a Commander level character up until Wano, but he got a power up supposed to boost his AP and train his Armament Haki, and went to the rooftop, gave the best he could post-timeskip using Enma and showed Conqueror's Haki, then he fought King, he struggled, got better control of Enma and then got CoC coating, and then beat King in a 1vs1 who has a bounty considerably above 1 Bi. This is an example of an actual strength progression.
What did Law got? Blud simply got much stronger due to getting beaten multiple times in the worst ways possible?
Another thing is trying your best to beat said enemy, and still lose.
Then proceed to fight and beat much stronger opponents without looking like you're struggling just as much.
At that point, nobody could say how strong Kid was. Luffy had fought and beat Doflamingo (with help, but he did overwhelmed anything Doflamingo tried to do at some point), then fighting Cracker (with help, but that is post Doflamingo Luffy, and he still struggled and had a lil bit of help), then he fights Katakuri, gets a Haki bloom, manages to fight Katakuri in equal terms and (supposedly) wins the fight. That is way ahead of how strong Oda made Law look like.
Since you're a Sanji fan (
), imagine Sanji having the opportunity to fight Doflamingo multiple times, learning all his moves and abilities (actually Law already knew that previously), but he still gets beaten everytime and loses a leg. Then a few arcs later, without doing anything worthy strengthwise, he is on the rooftop fighting two Younkous without much problems, despite struggling, then helping to beat one of them in a 2vs1.It simply doesn't fit. Oda should've gave Law a Commander level opponent to make us feel like he has the potential.
I could even bring up Zoro, who is a Supernova, he didn't beat anyone worthy of praise like a Commander level character up until Wano, but he got a power up supposed to boost his AP and train his Armament Haki, and went to the rooftop, gave the best he could post-timeskip using Enma and showed Conqueror's Haki, then he fought King, he struggled, got better control of Enma and then got CoC coating, and then beat King in a 1vs1 who has a bounty considerably above 1 Bi. This is an example of an actual strength progression.
What did Law got? Blud simply got much stronger due to getting beaten multiple times in the worst ways possible?
That is also nothing new btw.
This is why I don't really care or invest in discussion about characters power level in the past or in the future.
Only the now matters in one piece. For all we know kidd might come back but even weaker cause oda doesn't like him
Im surprised you are not bringing up that Law dedicates his life to offing Mingo but hadn't even whiffed awakening and by wano he demonstrated arguably better mastery of awakening than we ever seen in the series till this day out of pocket
That is also nothing new btw.
This is why I don't really care or invest in discussion about characters power level in the past or in the future.
Only the now matters in one piece. For all we know kidd might come back but even weaker cause oda doesn't like him
That is also nothing new btw.
This is why I don't really care or invest in discussion about characters power level in the past or in the future.
Only the now matters in one piece. For all we know kidd might come back but even weaker cause oda doesn't like him
Now you're just lying
You're actually gonna compare Law vs Doflamingo with Sanji vs Doflamingo?
Law literally had multiple chances against Doflamingo, Sanji had 1, he got his strength acknowledged in their first clash, and at that point Doflamingo had already fought Law and got the best out of him prior to fighting Sanji in mid air, where he was the strongest according to Law himself.
You might even say that Sanji would be beaten by Doffy in Dressrosa regardless of anything, but you couldn't tell how far he would go and how good he would do if Sanji had the same chances and the same knowledged about Doflamingo's abilities like Law did. Thats the main problem here, one leaves up a question, the other makes the audience be sure of something.
Just lying for fun
Sanji literally just Poele a Friere against Doflamingo, he used that once in fishman island against fodder. Same move got acknowledged by Doflamingo who instantly used "Parasite" to stop Sanji.
After that, Poele a Frire was never used again against Commander level character. Sanji only tried using that against Judge, who cheated in the middle of the fight, making Sanji give up at fighting him.
Basically, Sanji never used that move a third time, all the moves he used in WCI weren't even used through the whole Wano arc.
And he fought and beat Queen with a power up, he didn't beat Big Mom or Kaido in a 2vs1. Thats the 2nd main problem with Law's powercreep.
You're actually gonna compare Law vs Doflamingo with Sanji vs Doflamingo?
Law literally had multiple chances against Doflamingo, Sanji had 1, he got his strength acknowledged in their first clash, and at that point Doflamingo had already fought Law and got the best out of him prior to fighting Sanji in mid air, where he was the strongest according to Law himself.
You might even say that Sanji would be beaten by Doffy in Dressrosa regardless of anything, but you couldn't tell how far he would go and how good he would do if Sanji had the same chances and the same knowledged about Doflamingo's abilities like Law did. Thats the main problem here, one leaves up a question, the other makes the audience be sure of something.
Just lying for fun
Sanji literally just Poele a Friere against Doflamingo, he used that once in fishman island against fodder. Same move got acknowledged by Doflamingo who instantly used "Parasite" to stop Sanji.
After that, Poele a Frire was never used again against Commander level character. Sanji only tried using that against Judge, who cheated in the middle of the fight, making Sanji give up at fighting him.
Basically, Sanji never used that move a third time, all the moves he used in WCI weren't even used through the whole Wano arc.
And he fought and beat Queen with a power up, he didn't beat Big Mom or Kaido in a 2vs1. Thats the 2nd main problem with Law's powercreep.
Sure but the point still stands that
Remember, it was a plot point that Law did know everything about Doffy, yet he didn't even mention awakening because he didn't even knew. Same when he says he learned in wano to counter DF with Haki.
So the jump to current law, which like I said arguably has demonstrated the best mastery over awakening of his complicated fruit, to than is really fucking funnyExpect more such things depending on oda mood and how much he likes the character
My prime suspect is propally croco
Remember, it was a plot point that Law did know everything about Doffy, yet he didn't even mention awakening because he didn't even knew. Same when he says he learned in wano to counter DF with Haki.
So the jump to current law, which like I said arguably has demonstrated the best mastery over awakening of his complicated fruit, to than is really fucking funny
Expect more such things depending on oda mood and how much he likes the characterMy prime suspect is propally croco
Also, i don't like how much stronger Law got so quickly
He had many chances of beating Doflamingo during Dressrosa, but still got beaten and humilliated. I know its most due to plot, because Luffy should get all the clout, not Law, but its just bad.
Then suddenly blud can beat Big Mom with Kid's help, and fight 2 Younkous, get beaten and come back with ease.. He never even beat someone comparable to a YC, makes no sense.
At least Kid was hinted to have fought Cracker and doing well against him, so you couldn't even tell how strong he actually was, and he had all the rivalry thing with Luffy in Wano ever since Udon..
He had many chances of beating Doflamingo during Dressrosa, but still got beaten and humilliated. I know its most due to plot, because Luffy should get all the clout, not Law, but its just bad.
Then suddenly blud can beat Big Mom with Kid's help, and fight 2 Younkous, get beaten and come back with ease.. He never even beat someone comparable to a YC, makes no sense.
At least Kid was hinted to have fought Cracker and doing well against him, so you couldn't even tell how strong he actually was, and he had all the rivalry thing with Luffy in Wano ever since Udon..
Goofy after getting ko by kaido eats food and magically sky splits 
Why yamato or zoro didnt do the same?just eat some food and ur a top tier
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Why yamato or zoro didnt do the same?just eat some food and ur a top tier
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