Current Events Is Who's Who vs Jinbe really over?

#41
I was hoping for this fight, but we all know Brook isn’t strong enough to match him not even close so I accept the idea it won’t happen. However, a weaker WsW due to fighting Jinbei actually has a chance. So yeah I’m now on that train.
Nerfed Who's-Who is training wheels for Brook (like post-surgery Doflamingo was for Luffy) until he reaches that level.
 
#43
Ulti game back from worse and she is weaker than Whoswho so no he will return.

His current form is no match for Jimbei so we have to see something new
There nothing even implying he's not stronger than he's letting on. The dialogue in the last 2 pages implies that:

- WsW was being half assed about their fight (as per Jinbe's comment)

- WsW didn't get why he was so angry since he was casually talking to him during the fight


I'd say let's wait until next chapter to see if his mask breaks/identity is shown/gets more serious. If he's a rival of Lucci, then he should have other rokushuki techniques that make him more formidable (Kamisori/Roku ou gan/Seimei Kikan/his own new techniques).

I stress that people look back to Franky vs Fukurou. They were "evenly matched" until Franky got Cola. Then he hit Fukurou as if he was done. Then Fukurou got "serious" the next chapter and a half. There's nothing to say it can't happen here too. Oda very clearly isn't in a rush to end the arc. He could spend the next 30 chapters doing fights if he wanted.
 

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#47
Except those are all virtually incomparable since Wano is the first arc where there are enough villains and all of the Strawhats are in one place since Enies Lobby.
Dressrosa is very compable, as the most recent big fighting arc and the first one where Oda had to balance the Strawhats and the supporting cast. Robin didn’t get a fight (not surprising, Alabasta is the only time all the Strawhats did), but they were just very short.

I'm allowed to compare pre and post.
Of course you’re allowed, I just think it doesn’t make any sense. Pre-skip the idea that it would take 14 years for Sanji to get a proper fight after Thriller Bark would be completely laughable. Like, hysterical belly laughs. An eight year gap between all the Strawhats appear on stage together? Hah, never going to happen

But it happened, because Oda has drastically cut down on the fight scenes since the timeskip and changed his approach to writing. He’s actually had interviews where he’s said he doesn’t think he can draw fight scenes as much because it takes too much time.
Fundamentally the closest thing Wano can be compared to is Enies Lobby at this point. Most strawhats seemingly have a fight, especially since this is the first Yonko "breakthrough" thus far in the series.
It can be quite easily compared to Dressrosa, as a big fighting arc post-timeskip where the Worst Generation are shining alongside Luffy, there’s a large supporting cast (Scabbards/colosseum fighters), non-Strawhats are driving the arc and Fujitora was lurking about as a frightening top tier obstacle.

In EL there was no Law or Kid figures, the shipwrights and the Franky Family had barely any screentime compared to the Scabbards, there was no Lucci analogue running around battering CP9 so that Nami could beat one, and the fights were one vs ones.

Even storywise, EL was far more focused on the Strawhats, Robin and Franky were the driving force of the background plot. Here it‘s Momo and the Scabbards.

The only real similarity between EL and Wano is that in both arcs the action shifted from the initial island.

Edit: And another thing: you guys are really misinterpreting the word "Ougi" and how it has to be used here. It means "Secret Technique" and is generally a popular concept with martial arts or fighting moves/games/movies. Nobody BUT Jinbe is going to utter those words realistically, and it also does not imply he can't use other "Ougi's". Nothing implies it's his greatest and best move he knows. It would be like saying Luffy can only use Kong Gatling once and that's it, the fight is supposed to be over, as if other moves don't or won't exist.
An Ougi is a blatant finisher move to show the fights done. His only other one shown is Vagabond Drill, which was his big final attack in FI and the one he used to attack Big Mom. Zoro uses them as well, and when he does, it’s a sign the fight is over. Last attack on Mihawk, last attack on Oars, his finisher on the kraken, his finisher on Pica. It’s like DJ was pre-skip, or Ashura. Jinbei has his regular attacks, his Jujutsu, his seiken’s, but when the fight is finishing in a double page of him breaking out a secret technique, it’s done.
Nothing
in this chapter points to it being over, like at all.
We just watched WW fail so miserably to hurt Jinbei that he ended up smashing his own fingers up.

That’s a clear sign in my book.

Along with Jinbei beating him up in the final page.
Guaranteed if any of you read chapter 405, you would have thought Franky vs Fukurou ended.
In a different time, when the author had different styles. A strawman that has as much relevance as saying “I bet you thought that in Dressrosa Franky vs Senor Pink would get 2/3 straight chapters.”
 
#51
Dressrosa is very compable, as the most recent big fighting arc and the first one where Oda had to balance the Strawhats and the supporting cast. Robin didn’t get a fight (not surprising, Alabasta is the only time all the Strawhats did), but they were just very short.



Of course you’re allowed, I just think it doesn’t make any sense. Pre-skip the idea that it would take 14 years for Sanji to get a proper fight after Thriller Bark would be completely laughable. Like, hysterical belly laughs. An eight year gap between all the Strawhats appear on stage together? Hah, never going to happen

But it happened, because Oda has drastically cut down on the fight scenes since the timeskip and changed his approach to writing. He’s actually had interviews where he’s said he doesn’t think he can draw fight scenes as much because it takes too much time.


It can be quite easily compared to Dressrosa, as a big fighting arc post-timeskip where the Worst Generation are shining alongside Luffy, there’s a large supporting cast (Scabbards/colosseum fighters), non-Strawhats are driving the arc and Fujitora was lurking about as a frightening top tier obstacle.

In EL there was no Law or Kid figures, the shipwrights and the Franky Family had barely any screentime compared to the Scabbards, there was no Lucci analogue running around battering CP9 so that Nami could beat one, and the fights were one vs ones.

Even storywise, EL was far more focused on the Strawhats, Robin and Franky were the driving force of the background plot. Here it‘s Momo and the Scabbards.

The only real similarity between EL and Wano is that in both arcs the action shifted from the initial island.



An Ougi is a blatant finisher move to show the fights done. His only other one shown is Vagabond Drill, which was his big final attack in FI and the one he used to attack Big Mom. Zoro uses them as well, and when he does, it’s a sign the fight is over. Last attack on Mihawk, last attack on Oars, his finisher on the kraken, his finisher on Pica. It’s like DJ was pre-skip, or Ashura. Jinbei has his regular attacks, his Jujutsu, his seiken’s, but when the fight is finishing in a double page of him breaking out a secret technique, it’s done.


We just watched WW fail so miserably to hurt Jinbei that he ended up smashing his own fingers up.

That’s a clear sign in my book.

Along with Jinbei beating him up in the final page.


In a different time, when the author had different styles. A strawman that has as much relevance as saying “I bet you thought that in Dressrosa Franky vs Senor Pink would get 2/3 straight chapters.”

I feel like you are strawmanning my points here. Wano is the first arc since Enies Lobby where every Strawhat has been around and "mostly" paired with the main enemies. Dressrosa does not have this at all. In fact, Robin was replaced twice by other people, that's not the case here. Franky had a full fight, but it was spread out over 20 chapters. Usopp had one of the best matches ever in this series with Sugar, but it was hugely unorthodox and nothing like a regular fight. A large majority of the fights were with allies, not the main crew.

Virtually none of the allies this arc are facing the main beast pirates. Marco is certainly poised to be replaced with Zoro against King, and who knows if Inu can beat Jack.

The point is these are the most full strawhat fights have felt since Enies Lobby. It's unfair to assume Jinbe is done fighting WsW, especially when WsW is still conscious. Wait until 1019 before making hard claims
 
#54
I don't know, this feels different from the Ulti & Page One scenarios. They got hit with attacks, but they weren't really fighting. The attacks they tanked (like Nami's lightning, Usopp's Pinecone bombs, Gear 3rd punch) didn't feel like finishers until Big Mom showed up. Personally, Ulti should have stayed down after the Maser Cannon, bring her back just so Nami could get a hollow victory didn't sit right with me. That leads me to Who's Who. This was an actual fight and Who's Who just lost because he was weaker. It "logically" doesn't make any sense for him to stay down, but I don't see the purpose of bringing him back after having Jinbe crush him so definitively.
 
#55
I really think that it isn't, and there are several reasons for this.
  • Oda never drew Who's Who with his eyes whited out(or alternatively with his mask broken, similar to what he did with Doffy and his glasses)
  • Who's Who is an ancient zoan and one of the strongest tobi roppo. If Ulti could come back after getting KO'd twice, first by Yamato and then by big mom(which literally blasted a hole through her), this shouldn't be all it takes to take out Who's Who
  • Who's Who likely didn't go all out. He is portrayed to be Lucci's rival, with him having a similar fruit and showing similar rokushiki(such as flying shigan, and spots). There are still three major techniques of Lucci's which he is yet to show, those being Rokuogan, Life return, and kami-e.
I think Oda is making this look like a jinbe win, in order to set up the power of awakened zoans. One key difference between the impel down guards and normal zoans we see is that in hybrid form, normal zoans usually have the lower jaw of a human. Look at Lucci, Drake, Queen, Kaido, and more to see this. However, the jailer beasts' heads looked entirely like that of an animal.

Who's Who's head in hybrid looks the exact same as it did in full beast form, which might indicate that he is an awakened zoan. What if the true power of an awakened zoan isn't merely an increase in stamina and regeneration, but rather the abiliity to adapt to their environments? Essentially, every time an awakened zoan is hit by a technique, their body adapts to gain a certain resistance to it. The ultimate version of this is kaido, who has taken so many blows that his skin has become near impenetrable.

Basically, Who's Who could not only come back, he could come back stronger.
Kaido isn’t awakened. Stop with this silly headcanon.
 
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