Chapter Discussion It should've been Sanji vs Kizaru in Egghead

[Logiko]

What kind of unrelated answer Is this? We are not the writer AND SO?

Unless you have a deep understanding of a character or an arc, remarks about the narration are non relevant. You are not the writer, you don't know what the story should or should not have.

What we are talking about Is the fact that if we like a story, we guess what will happen and there are things that we would like to see and things that we wouldn't like.

No.

What you do is say that you would like to see things, take this reasonning as a fact, and explain that if said thing do not happen, it's bad.

Problem: You don't know what the story needs and most of the time those assesment (in a general manner) are made without understanding the narration of an arc.

But even if we take you example "things we don't want to see" > (if you don't like what you see, move on to another story btw) Here, Oda prepared Kizaru for battle, he didn't promise a duel with Sanji but he did made Luffy beat Kizaru and NOT ONLY THAT but he also made him beat Saturn at the SAME time.

Any fan of One Piece would be thrilled by that. There is no world where there is a fan saying "I don't like Luffy being a badass" So what you don't like here ? Exactly, you don't like the fact that Oda did go with Sanji VS Kizaru that you WANTED to see. In other words, you are not mad because of something you didn't want to see, but because something you wanted to see didn't happened.

And this is called illegitimate expectations.

You are basically saying that for any work of art I cannot say that I would have liked X or Y

Wrong. I'm telling you that there is a difference between WANTING to see something, and being dissapointed because what you want to see didn't happened.

The first case is normal fan expectation. The second case is illegitimate expectations turned into trashing on the story.

After all these years I still can't believe that I have to say that with One Piece, but a good readers know not to place their expectations in front of the story.

The fact that you chose to read OP in an absolutely passive way It's legit and your own choice. You are entitled to.

And here, this is how I know that :

1. You don't understand analysis
2. You don't know me.

I may be one of the LEAST passive person in front of One Piece on this forum. I literally militate everyday for this forum to create spaces to discuss the political intrications of the story to push people who are completely unaware of it to start looking into it. I was the main pusher of the CarrotForNakama theory, literally defended her place alone for years against an army of problematic posters and Yamato fans.

I might be one of the most hardcore analyst of the narration of One Piece

So trust me when I say that managing your expectation has NOTHING to do with being passive. It's simply the process of understanding that what you want, is not necessarily what you need. And in One Piece, most of the time, you will want something that is OPPOSITE to what you need.

 

[AL sama]

luffy gets to beat an admiral before his underlings

its that simple

 

[Dragon777]

Unless you have a deep understanding of a character or an arc, remarks about the narration are non relevant. You are not the writer, you don't know what the story should or should not have.

No offense but you managed to say someting both absurd and irrelevant.

First: what matters Is the substance of a remark, not who does It. We went past that in the middle age with the ipse dixit, just so you know.

Second: It's anyway totally irrelevant. I wasn't trying to point out what was good or bad for the story objectively because I don't care in the first place.
I was talking about what I like and what I don't like, and what I would have liked, and as I said I am the only judge on what I like or don't like. Not only that: but I am totally entitled to say that I didn't like someting lol.

What you do is say that you would like to see things, take this reasonning as a fact, and explain that if said thing do not happen, it's bad.

No, and this explains another time why you failed to grasp what I wrote: sure, they are bad for me.
I have never gone on an "objective" level becuase that was not what I was arguing about.

But even if we take you example "things we don't want to see" > (if you don't like what you see, move on to another story btw)

And if tomorrow I don't like the whole story, I will. If I just don't like parts of It, I'll still follow it saying "but I didn't like this".

Just as any other reasonable human.

Any fan of One Piece would be thrilled by that. There is no world where there is a fan saying "I don't like Luffy being a badass" So what you don't like here ? Exactly, you don't like the fact that Oda did go with Sanji VS Kizaru that you WANTED to see. In other words, you are not mad because of something you didn't want to see, but because something you wanted to see didn't happened.

And this is called illegitimate expectations

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No, this Is called you trying to judge others tastes, which you have no title, no power and absolutely no competente to analyze since, as I already told you, only the person itslef can decide what to like and what to not like.

And there Is absolutely nothing wrong in having tastes different from yours.

And here, this is how I know that :

1. You don't understand analysis
2. You don't know me.

I may be one of the LEAST passive person in front of One Piece on this forum. I literally militate everyday for this forum to create spaces to discuss the political intrications of the story to push people who are completely unaware of it to start looking into it. I was the main pusher of the CarrotForNakama theory, literally defended her place alone for years against an army of problematic posters and Yamato fans.

I might be one of the most hardcore analyst of the narration of One Piece

So trust me when I say that managing your expectation has NOTHING to do with being passive. It's simply the process of understanding that what you want, is not necessarily what you need. And in One Piece, most of the time, you will want something that is OPPOSITE to what you need.

Still, what you propone Is the most passive, deteched and frankly sad way of reading: don't expect anything, so nothing can go wrong.

You are free to do It, we are free to do the opposite and hope for the better, not for anything that might come.

 

[D. Plant]

I think they foight off panel
Sanji and Luffy vs Kizaru and Saturn, thats why the next chapter they are in completely different situations and different location. Toei will adapt

Too little original references for the animators to work on, Sanji only blocked a laser. The animators can insert their headcanons which Oda won't want that. The final animation will just be an overstretching slowmo scene.

 

[Logiko]

No offense but you managed to say someting both absurd and irrelevant.

Sure.

First: what matters Is the substance of a remark, not who does It.

Indeed, that's why I say "do a good critic or stay silent". Until now, I've seen none. What I see on the other hand are people who are ranting everyweek about something that obviously making them suffer. That's not critic, that's whining.

Second: It's anyway totally irrelevant. I wasn't trying to point out what was good or bad for the story objectively because I don't care in the first place.

Good, don't reply then.

I was talking about what I like and what I don't like, and what I would have liked

Cool. I have no problem with that as long as you keep that in the conditional.

Not only that: but I am totally entitled to say that I didn't like someting lol.

just like I'm entitled to say that I don't like your critic. It goes both way mate. If you think you are entitled to spread negativity without consequence I have some news for ya.

While I totally am for the right of people to express their feeling and hatred. I also have the right to criticize the irrelevant and fallacious critics that I see everyweek. We are good as long as you understand that.

No, and this explains another time why you failed to grasp what I wrote: sure, they are bad for me.

"You" is the GROUP. Not you specifically. I'm talking about a social phenomenon here, not individual behaviors.

And if tomorrow I don't like the whole story, I will. If I just don't like parts of It, I'll still follow it saying "but I didn't like this".

Just as any other reasonable human.

Indeed. You have the right to do that. Just like I can try to understand why you don't. And in the case we are talking about : The hatred for One Piece, it's ALWAYS because of one specific thing : Illegitimate expectation.

Understand that : You have the right to have illegitimate expectation. I'm just telling you that it's an irrationnal way to read stories and a potentially harmfull way of consuming them.

No, this Is called you trying to judge others tastes, which you have no title, no power and absolutely no competente to analyze since, as I already told you, only the person itslef can decide what to like and what to not like.

Yes. That's indeed a judgment. I'm allowed to make a judment and analyse a social phenomenon. Especially when I've seen the SAME PATTERN FOR 15 YEARS.

You have the right not to like. I have the right to analyze this dislike and put reasons behind it.

You might think that my reasons are bad. They are not. My experience is clear on the subject and i've been able to predict this phenomenon for 8 years straight now. So yeah.. as long as you understand that you are not the only one to be able to have a critical mindset, we are good.

which you have no title, no power and absolutely no competente to analyze since

No power yes. No competences it's another story.

And this is not bragging. This is just a fact. I know more, hence why I'm once of the most vocal on this subject. I was already fighting illegitimate expectation back in 2016 and I was already criticizing the behavior back in 2010, even before marineford. So yeah. I know. I have learned to understand why fans can start to trash on One Piece.

The problem here, is that on this forum, the negativity is so structural that it multiplied the phenomena to transform the entire environment into an echo chamber of illegitimate expectation and... by logic, dissapointment + One Piece trashing.

The hate you see here is not here by magic. It's here because the environment allows it to strive and positivity is STRUCTURALLY invizibilized.

Still, what you propone Is the most passive, deteched and frankly sad way of reading: don't expect anything, so nothing can go wrong.

That's what you don't understand. I expect a LOT of things in One Piece. But ALWAYS THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED IN THE STORY. That's because expecting impossible things in not a viable way to read a story.

In other words, if I see Sanji gone from Zou with Nami crying, I will expect a powerful narrative arc for him in the future, on the other hand, I will not expect him to get a big fight, because that's something that was not prepared.

ANd that's the opposite of Sad. Between you and me, I'm the one constantly in JOY and utter excitment when I read One Piece because I EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED.

I think you don't understand that for people like me, One Piece didn't stop to be good at Water Seven or MarineFord, for me, One Piece has been INCREASING in term of quality ever since. And thus my enjoyment that was already massive in Marineford is amazingly massive at the moment.

In other word: I still feel like a child reading One Piece. If you think that's a negative and detached way to see interact with the story, I think you understand nothing about this world. If you expect things to go wrong and be dissapointed, why are you reading ?

You guyz on the other hand, stopped caring about the story to focus on what you wanted to see. And I'm sorry to spoil you this, but when you expect things that are not meant to happen, you can ONLY get dissapointed.

And when I do have some expectation.. because I have agenda too, well, I make my brain work and I always remind myself that those are only things that "I" want to see and not necessarily what the story need. So i'm never dissapointed when they do not happen.

Because being surprised in term of enjoyment is MUCH MORE REWARDING than being able to know everything.

You are free to do It, we are free to do the opposite and hope for the better, not for anything that might come.

You are free to do whatever you want. But i'm free to criticize. Because what you don't see is that this behavior of yours (as a group) has consequences on US who enjoy the story and can have potential consequences on other things, starting with the story itself.

 

[Germinator]

No it's not. It was literally shown just before this moment against Kizaru. This was a no brainer.

Whether Luffy could or could not easily deal with Kizaru is a seperate discussion because of facts like Luffy gassing out in Round 1 and Kizaru still wasn't fully KO'd, Kizaru got up first without sustained damage, etc.

The fact that Luffy actually failed to protect Vegapunk from Kizaru in the first place throws this notion into scrutiny.

Worse yet, it's not even a damning observation to make, even assuming Luffy could simply deal with Kizaru, why does that rule out Sanji helping him? Wouldn't Sanji just speed things up? Not really seeing the contradiction

Fan's expectations are not a metric of a story being good or bad mate

Yeah so you're unable to stay on-topic without shifting the discussion or injecting new discussions into the current one

The discussion isn't whether Sanji vs Kizaru would have been a good decision story-wise, the question is if it's something fans should have expected to occur given how Oda arranged things

Let me ask you, if character A blocks character B and stands in his way, are fans "expecting too much" for a fight (even a short clash) to occur?

There is a difference between expecting a POSSIBILITY (Sanji fighting Kizaru) and calling trash when said possibility has been ruled out

Yeah but some possibilities are more likely than others and Oda framing Sanji directly in Kizaru's path makes a clash or fight very very likely

For example, Sanji or Zoro fighting Kizaru were both potential options, Sanji fighting Kizaru was far more likely wouldn't you agree? At least in the sense that the story would have had to make far less arrangements for Sanji fighting Kizaru

 

[Blax Blah]

Sure.




Indeed, that's why I say "do a good critic or stay silent". Until now, I've seen none. What I see on the other hand are people who are ranting everyweek about something that obviously making them suffer. That's not critic, that's whining.


Good, don't reply then.



Cool. I have no problem with that as long as you keep that in the conditional.



just like I'm entitled to say that I don't like your critic. It goes both way mate. If you think you are entitled to spread negativity without consequence I have some news for ya.

While I totally am for the right of people to express their feeling and hatred. I also have the right to criticize the irrelevant and fallacious critics that I see everyweek. We are good as long as you understand that.



"You" is the GROUP. Not you specifically. I'm talking about a social phenomenon here, not individual behaviors.



Indeed. You have the right to do that. Just like I can try to understand why you don't. And in the case we are talking about : The hatred for One Piece, it's ALWAYS because of one specific thing : Illegitimate expectation.

Understand that : You have the right to have illegitimate expectation. I'm just telling you that it's an irrationnal way to read stories and a potentially harmfull way of consuming them.



Yes. That's indeed a judgment. I'm allowed to make a judment and analyse a social phenomenon. Especially when I've seen the SAME PATTERN FOR 15 YEARS.

You have the right not to like. I have the right to analyze this dislike and put reasons behind it.

You might think that my reasons are bad. They are not. My experience is clear on the subject and i've been able to predict this phenomenon for 8 years straight now. So yeah.. as long as you understand that you are not the only one to be able to have a critical mindset, we are good.


No power yes. No competences it's another story.

And this is not bragging. This is just a fact. I know more, hence why I'm once of the most vocal on this subject. I was already fighting illegitimate expectation back in 2016 and I was already criticizing the behavior back in 2010, even before marineford. So yeah. I know. I have learned to understand why fans can start to trash on One Piece.

The problem here, is that on this forum, the negativity is so structural that it multiplied the phenomena to transform the entire environment into an echo chamber of illegitimate expectation and... by logic, dissapointment + One Piece trashing.

The hate you see here is not here by magic. It's here because the environment allows it to strive and positivity is STRUCTURALLY invizibilized.




That's what you don't understand. I expect a LOT of things in One Piece. But ALWAYS THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED IN THE STORY. That's because expecting impossible things in not a viable way to read a story.

In other words, if I see Sanji gone from Zou with Nami crying, I will expect a powerful narrative arc for him in the future, on the other hand, I will not expect him to get a big fight, because that's something that was not prepared.

ANd that's the opposite of Sad. Between you and me, I'm the one constantly in JOY and utter excitment when I read One Piece because I EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED.

I think you don't understand that for people like me, One Piece didn't stop to be good at Water Seven or MarineFord, for me, One Piece has been INCREASING in term of quality ever since. And thus my enjoyment that was already massive in Marineford is amazingly massive at the moment.

In other word: I still feel like a child reading One Piece. If you think that's a negative and detached way to see interact with the story, I think you understand nothing about this world. If you expect things to go wrong and be dissapointed, why are you reading ?

You guyz on the other hand, stopped caring about the story to focus on what you wanted to see. And I'm sorry to spoil you this, but when you expect things that are not meant to happen, you can ONLY get dissapointed.

And when I do have some expectation.. because I have agenda too, well, I make my brain work and I always remind myself that those are only things that "I" want to see and not necessarily what the story need. So i'm never dissapointed when they do not happen.

Because being surprised in term of enjoyment is MUCH MORE REWARDING than being able to know everything.



You are free to do whatever you want. But i'm free to criticize. Because what you don't see is that this behavior of yours (as a group) has consequences on US who enjoy the story and can have potential consequences on other things, starting with the story itself.

Yeah I think One Piece keeps being a better and better story,

 

[Logiko]

Whether Luffy could or could not easily deal with Kizaru is a seperate discussion because of facts like Luffy gassing out in Round 1 and Kizaru still wasn't fully KO'd, Kizaru got up first without sustained damage, etc.

Stop tryinbg to powerscale and imagining thing. Luffy was shown clearly to be able to take on easily Kizaru, it was drawn and depicted clearly. There is a moment where powerscaling discussion about obvious things are ridiculous.

The fact that Luffy actually failed to protect Vegapunk from Kizaru in the first place throws this notion into scrutiny.

He didn't fail. Vegapunk is not dead. Only Stella is.

why does that rule out Sanji helping him?

Because that would be meaningless, that's why. And because this was an arc to highlight Gear 5 and the gap between Luffy and his ennemies.

The point is to make us understand that Luffy is now on a different level. A real yonko level. Sanji would not help anything. he would just be in the way.

Yeah so you're unable to stay on-topic without shifting the discussion or injecting new discussions into the current one

No. i'm simply targetting the problems at the core of the discussions and I take shortcuts.

The problem behind this thread are illegitimate expectations. I can debate about Sanji for hours, it won't make you understand.

So to make you understand why the basis for this thread is wrong, I need to make you understand the core of the problem to begin with. Meaningless debate is useless.

Let me ask you, if character A blocks character B and stands in his way, are fans "expecting too much" for a fight (even a short clash) to occur?

In what way ? Kizaru finished his mission. There was no way to go to. So your reasonning is fallacious here. Kizaru is only expressing the fact that because Luffy attacked the Gorosai, he is in a pickle.

It could go in a THOUSAND way. Not just a fight. The problem is that you obsess over a fight and a fight only. And that's why you will ALWAYS be dissapointed with the story.

Simply because you refuse yourself to be surprised by One Piece.

eah but some possibilities are more likely than others and Oda framing Sanji directly in Kizaru's path makes a clash or fight very very likely

Again, there was no "path". vegapunk was out. And the one who was most likely to be attacked was Luffy, not Sanji.

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Again. I have TONS of example were illegitimate expectations created dissapointment in the story.

And this is something that - once again - I'm not discovering today. I have been fighting this for AT LEAST a decade and actively since the end of Zou.

 

[Germinator]

Stop tryinbg to powerscale and imagining thing. Luffy was shown clearly to be able to take on easily Kizaru, it was drawn and depicted clearly. There is a moment where powerscaling discussion about obvious things are ridiculous.

If Luffy could handle Kizaru alone, why didn't he stop Kizaru from killing Vegapunk? Why did Luffy need food given to him (outside help) in order to recover?

No, I don't feel bad for asking the obvious questions. Maybe choose a better line of argument because you've just created a new discussion entirely

He didn't fail. Vegapunk is not dead. Only Stella is.

Alright, since you wish to argue semantics: Luffy failed to protect Stella, Kizaru succeeded. So much for not needing help

Sanji would not help anything. he would just be in the way.

Lol, nice power scaling/speculation here

Kizaru is only expressing the fact that because Luffy attacked the Gorosai, he is in a pickle.

Fuck off I already proved he was directly referring to Luffy & Sanji here lol. You just admitted Kizaru was implying he would need to take Vegapunk and the Straw Hat's crew's heads, that includes Sanji's

No. i'm simply targetting the problems at the core of the discussions and I take shortcuts.

Shortcuts that just lead to further questions and speculation

Do you ever bother asking yourself why your discussions tend to last so many hours? It's because you offer people arguments that are inconclusive. Oda could have easily written Sanji & Luffy briefly clashing with Kizaru and nothing within the plot would have changed

Again. I have TONS of example were illegitimate expectations created dissapointment in the story.

And this is something that - once again - I'm not discovering today. I have been fighting this for AT LEAST a decade and actively since the end of Zou

There are examples of illegitimate expectations, for example ZKK.

But you're acting like Oda writing a brief clash between Sanji and Kizaru would break the plot and be bad writing.

You're trying to score forum points on people making a reasonable criticism against Oda for arranging something and not delivering when he easily could have without bending the plot

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Blah blah blah ''You guys keep whining'' blah blah blah says @Logiko whiningly.

 

[Logiko]

If Luffy could handle Kizaru alone, why didn't he stop Kizaru from killing Vegapunk?

Because :

1. Luffy let Sanji take care of Vegapunk
2. Sanji was taken offguard by Kizaru

It doesn't negate the power of Luffy and it doesn't negate the power of Sanji. It's a simple question of circounstance here.

Why did Luffy need food given to him (outside help) in order to recover?

This one is actually a very interesting question and it seems a lot of people here do not understand how the fruit of Luffy work.

I explained that already : In short. Gear 5 works on the imagination of Luffy.

The powers of the fruits are influenced by what Luffy is thinking. And this is not something new, but something that comes from the BEGINNING of the story. In other words: The limitations of the fruits and Luffy are ONLY due to Luffy's thought process and ONLY that.

This is why :
- When Luffy thinks that he is tired, a simple nap will be enough to make him recover.
- When Luffy thinks he is injured, a simple snack will bring Luffy to life
- When Luffy thinks he he inflated his body too much, he will shrink
- When Luffy thinks he used his freedom form (G5) too much, he will end up in the opposite state > Old form
- When Luffy thinks he used G4 too much, he will deflate like a balloon.
- When Luffy thinks he need to go faster, he thinks of a way to make his blood go faster
- When Luffy thinks he is too fat, a simple 100 run off will be enough to make to his weight

This is simple cartoon logic.

This is why I always say that you guys do not pay enough attention to the story. G5 was prepared for a long time, since the beginning of the story in fact. G5 is the projection of the peak form of Luffy's mindset. Hence why he is so free and why he synchronized so well with his fruit.

My bet is that this fruit has also been influencing the environement of Luffy from the start too. Hence why the Merry exist.

So why can Luffy needs food given to him ?
1. Because food given to Luffy by other people is always what pumps him up the most
2. Because that's what he thinks food does : Recover.

Alright, since you wish to argue semantics: Luffy failed to protect Stella, Kizaru succeeded. So much for not needing help

Kizaru didn't succeed. They didn't kill Vegapunk.
He only took out the body of his old friend. But the conscience that is vegapunk still remains.

Lol, nice power scaling/speculation here

Just a fact. If Luffy can fight alone, Sanji helping would just be overkill and could get in the way. It doesn't mean Sanji is weak, it just means that there is no need for him to fight.

Fuck off I already proved he was directly referring to Luffy & Sanji here lol. You just admitted Kizaru was implying he would need to take Vegapunk and the Straw Hat's crew's heads, that includes Sanji's

You proved nothing. In fact I debunked your argument and proved by A+B that Kizaru was in fact talking about Luffy and the strawhats + vegapunk lying on the ground and the group > for attacking the governement and the gorosai (that should not be attacked). Not specifically Sanji or Luffy.

Shortcuts that just lead to further questions and speculation

Nop. Only for you. i'm very clear when I talk about illegitimate expectations.

It's because you offer people arguments that are inconclusive.

No. it's because other people refuse to admit that they are wrong. I can admit in front of good argument that you are right. But you need to give them to me.

At the moment, I don't see those. On the other hand, what I see is that when I talk about illegitimate expectation, every one is rapid to say that it doesn't exist... when in reality it's all over the forum.

Oda could have easily written Sanji & Luffy briefly clashing with Kizaru

He did. Sanji stopped a beam, thre was no need for more at that moment. That's all.

and nothing within the plot would have changed

Exactly. Nothing would have changed. Which means that it wasn't necessary.

There are examples of illegitimate expectations, for example ZKK.

That's one of them indeed.

But you're acting like Oda writing a brief clash between Sanji and Kizaru would break the plot and be bad writing.

No. I'm just saying that Oda not writing it doesn't ruin anything.

Your problem is that you create a problem of an absence. An absence that you can only justify by your wants and not the needs of the story.

You're trying to score forum points

Dude.. I'm passed that really.

against Oda for arranging something and not delivering

Once again " not delivaring" as if he promised you something. he did not. Period.

Blah blah blah ''You guys keep whining'' blah blah blah says @Logiko whiningly.

You want to have a contest ?

 

[mly90]

Anything would have been better than that awful lizaru performance and embarrassment admirals are huge disappointment

 

[Uncle Van]

An actual fight was always out of the question. Luffy could hardly stop Kizaru who wasn't trying to fight, and Sanji is nowhere in that league. Sanji kicking light however, should've been explored and played a role in Luffy getting rid of Kizaru but of course, nothing came of it.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Sanji would have got low diffed

 

[LolonoisZolo]

An actual fight was always out of the question. Luffy could hardly stop Kizaru who wasn't trying to fight, and Sanji is nowhere in that league. Sanji kicking light however, should've been explored and played a role in Luffy getting rid of Kizaru but of course, nothing came of it.

That's because ''you can't read'' Logiko 2024


This is like 90% of what people are saying but @Logiko doesn't agree somehow.

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You want to have a contest ?

Whining contest ?

 

[Uncle Van]

That's because ''you can't read'' Logiko 2024


This is like 90% of what people are saying but @Logiko doesn't agree somehow.

Post automatically merged: Oct 24, 2024

Whining contest ?

I can only assume he's once again going on about unrealistic expectations or something. I assure you that you're wasting your time. He had expectations of Carrot being a SH or having a big role by the end of Wano but that didn't come close to happening, and he questioned whether Oda changed his mind or doesn't understand Carrot as a character. He's just like us when it comes to expectations and not liking subjective material.

Stay chill.

 

[Logiko]

This is like 90% of what people are saying but @Logiko doesn't agree somehow.

Somehow... I'm one of the few here who can read lol

Oda changed his mind or doesn't understand Carrot as a character. He's just like us when it comes to expectations and not liking subjective material.

Oh really ? You see me disappointed right now ? Do you see me calling Carrot not joining a bad thing ?

Nop.

Ergo. I'm not like you. I did not hold on my expectation to see Carrot perform before the end of Wano.

What I said - since you never listen - is that Carrot's journey is bound to the sea, because this is what was planted and prepared. In other words, this is a legitimate expectation based on her characterization and development inertia (which I explained in this thread) and If Oda does not do this, this will be a MINOR mistake.

This, only concerns her FUTURE and not Wano or the crew.

Again, contrary to you guyz, my expectations are based on the storytelling and I never hold on illegitimate ones.

 

[soheilhazrat]

Too little original references for the animators to work on, Sanji only blocked a laser. The animators can insert their headcanons which Oda won't want that. The final animation will just be an overstretching slowmo scene.

Lmao they add anime canon scenes all the time and each time oda praises them

 

[Zaretball]

Nah, Egghead shouldn't even exist.

 

[D. Plant]

Lmao they add anime canon scenes all the time and each time oda praises them

If they don't went too far from the sources material and approved by the directors, yeah that's fine. Sometimes they went too far like adding coc lightnings to BB when he fought Law which isn't confirmed that he has coc in the manga. Adding Gryphon at Shanks when he blitz towards Kidd which isn't shown in the manga. Don't take Oda's words too literally.