Speculations It was legitimately bad writing for Oda to not have had Sanji fight Oven in WCI
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Oda is failing to give Sanji a good fight ever since the time skip. Was there anything meaningful and memorable? I cant remember.
Maybe Sanjino is just collateral damage of the heavy rubber wank that is going on post TS or he just doesnt know what to do with Sanji.
Raid Suit could be a confirmation that he didnt know how to develop his combat but perhaps not.
The rubber wank needs a decline and perhaps Sanjino will get his 5 mins of fame...
Maybe Sanjino is just collateral damage of the heavy rubber wank that is going on post TS or he just doesnt know what to do with Sanji.
Raid Suit could be a confirmation that he didnt know how to develop his combat but perhaps not.
The rubber wank needs a decline and perhaps Sanjino will get his 5 mins of fame...
Honestly you can say for many Strawhats and even Zoro hasn't have a fight that make me look at his pre-timeskip days for that type of struggle he had and just been on facing fodder-enemies like Hody, Monet, and Pica. Think Wano War be first for all Strawhats than just Luffy to get proper fights in it all.
Not really, he knows how to develop Sanji, just last arc he is more on character development while this arc he is back to fighting and beaten OP already. RS is nothing, but stealth suit, not for means of power as stated by him.
Oda never said arc was bad arc. Where you get that comment? He stated he enjoy the arc from I hear on interviews. I know few things he miss on like doing more on Smoothie, but never he stated he hated the arc at all. Think your carrying away how author feels on one's work as stupid to do an arc your going into hating about it when you have power to change a lot of things.
Not really, he knows how to develop Sanji, just last arc he is more on character development while this arc he is back to fighting and beaten OP already. RS is nothing, but stealth suit, not for means of power as stated by him.
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Oda never said arc was bad arc. Where you get that comment? He stated he enjoy the arc from I hear on interviews. I know few things he miss on like doing more on Smoothie, but never he stated he hated the arc at all. Think your carrying away how author feels on one's work as stupid to do an arc your going into hating about it when you have power to change a lot of things.
You're exaggerating or misunderstanding.....neither Oda or I said WCI was a bad ARC or that there was any hate....Oda simply said he had to cut the arc short cause his extra ideas made the arc too long.
The result of that was an arc that feels incomplete and it's because Oda cut it short. It was in interviews after WCI ended and hyping Wano.
The result of that was an arc that feels incomplete and it's because Oda cut it short. It was in interviews after WCI ended and hyping Wano.
It actually Sanji's own story arc that got messed up. The Vinsmoeks are all about power over kindness. Sanji is the opposite. However, it was the power of the Vinsmokes that was saving the day while Sanju's kindness only helped the enemy return to power and is now allied with Kaido.
The Vinsmokes and Judge even thinks Sanji is still a failure. Yes Sanji's kindness saved their lives, but it put everyone else in danger with the Vinsmokes saving the day with their power.
The Vinsmokes and Judge even thinks Sanji is still a failure. Yes Sanji's kindness saved their lives, but it put everyone else in danger with the Vinsmokes saving the day with their power.
Oda made Sanji a joke way back in the Baratie. Sanji is supposed to be a kind person who will help even his enemy at his own expense right?
Cause Sanji only comes off as selfish since he disregards the safety of his own allies to uphold his own personal code. The Baratie would have been stolen if not for Luffy....Sanji chose his own code over Robin's life and if it weren't for plot, all of the SHs would be dead because of it.....
A kind character is actually very selfish in execution...pretty ironic...
Cause Sanji only comes off as selfish since he disregards the safety of his own allies to uphold his own personal code. The Baratie would have been stolen if not for Luffy....Sanji chose his own code over Robin's life and if it weren't for plot, all of the SHs would be dead because of it.....
A kind character is actually very selfish in execution...pretty ironic...
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Not really, it went as plan for Oda on Sanji part as Oda's goal was more character than more on fighting. Also what you mean? Vinsmokes couldn't do much to BM Pirates at party, their power didn't stop BM, the cake did. So your misunderstanding how plot went and they likely survive than beat her crew. The situation was cause by his family making deal with her and bringing Sanji by force as well Strawhats along for teamup of BM and Kaido, well more on Luffy's fault too since he goated her in FI Arc, so all this was bound to happen to face her.
The reason they state him failure is they are too proud to admit they were wrong except Reiju and remember brothers are 'Emos', why would they feel that sorry. Your missing point as they support Sanji and see respect for him, but in their own way, not gonna beg and cry and break out of character to worship ground he stands. You got read between the lines than thinking it need to be one-sided submission like that.
Nah, quite opposite. Again they not gonna 180 on personalities because they are prideful and will mostly act the same especially you except his Emo brothers to have feelings when stated it was experiment took them away? That be bad character pushing there. If you guys think Oda hates Sanji or making fun of him, then you weren't paying attention to the arc as next arc he beaten PO and fighting Drake for an 'hated character' while certain 'swordsman' is being hype tool of the arc instead.
None of this means Sanji is ebing demeen or hated, just sounds like your expectations mess you on direction when themes were stated on what WCI would be in the end.
Probably because it wasn't about fighting, it was at same type like Impel Down Arc where situation wasn't about to dominate the place and beat all bad guys, but to retrieve and escape. It won't be always fighting arc back to back as different arcs have different themes on how they go. Kinda how Reverie went as well Zou as you didn't Strawhats needed in facing enemies or about fighting in those arcs.
The reason they state him failure is they are too proud to admit they were wrong except Reiju and remember brothers are 'Emos', why would they feel that sorry. Your missing point as they support Sanji and see respect for him, but in their own way, not gonna beg and cry and break out of character to worship ground he stands. You got read between the lines than thinking it need to be one-sided submission like that.
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Nah, quite opposite. Again they not gonna 180 on personalities because they are prideful and will mostly act the same especially you except his Emo brothers to have feelings when stated it was experiment took them away? That be bad character pushing there. If you guys think Oda hates Sanji or making fun of him, then you weren't paying attention to the arc as next arc he beaten PO and fighting Drake for an 'hated character' while certain 'swordsman' is being hype tool of the arc instead.
None of this means Sanji is ebing demeen or hated, just sounds like your expectations mess you on direction when themes were stated on what WCI would be in the end.
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Probably because it wasn't about fighting, it was at same type like Impel Down Arc where situation wasn't about to dominate the place and beat all bad guys, but to retrieve and escape. It won't be always fighting arc back to back as different arcs have different themes on how they go. Kinda how Reverie went as well Zou as you didn't Strawhats needed in facing enemies or about fighting in those arcs.
WCI was the one arc Sanji did not need a fight. WCI was established as an infiltration arc. The expectations were that fights would be limited. Of course, Luffy vs Katakuri works against that suggestion, but I digress, fights were still scaled back, relatively speaking.
On to Sanji, a fight would run counter-intuitive to the arc that was served for him. His nature and principles, and how his innate kindness does not make him weak. The Vinsmokes' beliefs' opposed Sanji's right down to their treatment of food. They were war-mongers, valuing overwhelming might and power. If Sanji were to get a fight in the arc and win, he'd be resolving his problems the very way the Vinsmokes practiced. And for this arc in particular, would've sent mixed messages.
Sanji has many opportunities to get fights and shine there. He doesn't have too many to shine as a kind and gentle individual. WCI offered that opportunity. And when we get down to it, the arc's overall theme is 'embracing your true self.' Sanji was looked shamed by his family for what they considered "weakness." His kindness and humanity. The Charlottes suffered more outward examples of Sanji's dilemma. Katakuri's pelican eel mouth and Pudding's third eye, which prompted the former to take on the role of perfect big brother and the latter as Mama's perfect little actress.
Sanji embraced who he was as a cook, and was written to in a manner where ultimately, his true calling as a chef would save the day. That's where the process began to crumble, and I think it was a result of the overarching plot coming into conflict with the self contained one.
Sanji's cake, which he spent a good 1/3 of the arc baking, didn't provide a satisfying climax to his arc, and it failed to be the solution it was hyped up to be. That is because if it did, it would come in conflict with the overall narrative that demanded the Vinsmokes and the Sun Pirates stay behind. Let's say the cake had its intended effect, and it was so good, Linlin fainted from overwhelming bliss, then it's likely the Sun Pirates and Germa would not be in outpowered, as the BMPs might've regrouped to Linlin's location due to worry over her condition. Or even just simply not having Linlin there as an extra threat.
Another quibble is that Sanji's kindness was highlight from his desire to save his family despite how they've treated him. But with them still staying back, potentially dead, all that amounted to nothing and only reaffirms Judge's and the rest's perspective on Sanji, which remains largely unchanged. And fine for the latter, since Judge's opinon shouldn't matter, but actions speak louder than words, and Sanji's, through his kindness and character, accomplished little of that.
On to Sanji, a fight would run counter-intuitive to the arc that was served for him. His nature and principles, and how his innate kindness does not make him weak. The Vinsmokes' beliefs' opposed Sanji's right down to their treatment of food. They were war-mongers, valuing overwhelming might and power. If Sanji were to get a fight in the arc and win, he'd be resolving his problems the very way the Vinsmokes practiced. And for this arc in particular, would've sent mixed messages.
Sanji has many opportunities to get fights and shine there. He doesn't have too many to shine as a kind and gentle individual. WCI offered that opportunity. And when we get down to it, the arc's overall theme is 'embracing your true self.' Sanji was looked shamed by his family for what they considered "weakness." His kindness and humanity. The Charlottes suffered more outward examples of Sanji's dilemma. Katakuri's pelican eel mouth and Pudding's third eye, which prompted the former to take on the role of perfect big brother and the latter as Mama's perfect little actress.
Sanji embraced who he was as a cook, and was written to in a manner where ultimately, his true calling as a chef would save the day. That's where the process began to crumble, and I think it was a result of the overarching plot coming into conflict with the self contained one.
Sanji's cake, which he spent a good 1/3 of the arc baking, didn't provide a satisfying climax to his arc, and it failed to be the solution it was hyped up to be. That is because if it did, it would come in conflict with the overall narrative that demanded the Vinsmokes and the Sun Pirates stay behind. Let's say the cake had its intended effect, and it was so good, Linlin fainted from overwhelming bliss, then it's likely the Sun Pirates and Germa would not be in outpowered, as the BMPs might've regrouped to Linlin's location due to worry over her condition. Or even just simply not having Linlin there as an extra threat.
Another quibble is that Sanji's kindness was highlight from his desire to save his family despite how they've treated him. But with them still staying back, potentially dead, all that amounted to nothing and only reaffirms Judge's and the rest's perspective on Sanji, which remains largely unchanged. And fine for the latter, since Judge's opinon shouldn't matter, but actions speak louder than words, and Sanji's, through his kindness and character, accomplished little of that.
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For once, I agree with you what you meant, but don't think it crumble away in later half as while he did save his family, they not going to turn 180 degrees and be nice people now as that be too BS for that as of course they be prideful especially Judge who thought all these years Sanji was worst of them all, but secretly realize he is best of them all especially Luffy sees true words of others despite how they act in outside, so that push more he accepts him otherwise why give him RS, but of course Sanji still won't use it in way of Germa and use it more his way which is why it being modify.
Cake was very important as Oda defended use in SBS since without it, nothing would stop BM and her coming back up was inevitable as he didn't say it knock her out forever, just enough time to escape. Though just because she is down, her crew won't stop messing with Strawhats as shown. They stay behind not because BM came back, but more her crew didn't stop coming after them. I highly doubt they are dead and that isn't on Sanji since they decided to stay behind while they help them escape.
Just because you temporarily cut off the head, the body won't stop moving as figure speech with the crew especially Luffy pissed them off by beating Katakuri, so doesn't make sense that cake would stop them all together, just BM from stopping them. That's where some failed to see writing detail deep down and why many explain about it and then understand meaning of the arc looking at it.
It was like Impel Down Arc, but different in a way as theme wasn't to defeat or dominate everyone, just to retrieve, escape, and build character for others especially Sanji. Did it's purpose and few mislead thinking it was another fighting arc when stated in the arc by characters they were not ready yet to 'defeat' an Yonko Crew many times. The arc was helping Sanji's character as both a cook and fighter as he did have fights, but just not full fight and reestablish his dream for All Blue and such.
Cake was very important as Oda defended use in SBS since without it, nothing would stop BM and her coming back up was inevitable as he didn't say it knock her out forever, just enough time to escape. Though just because she is down, her crew won't stop messing with Strawhats as shown. They stay behind not because BM came back, but more her crew didn't stop coming after them. I highly doubt they are dead and that isn't on Sanji since they decided to stay behind while they help them escape.
Just because you temporarily cut off the head, the body won't stop moving as figure speech with the crew especially Luffy pissed them off by beating Katakuri, so doesn't make sense that cake would stop them all together, just BM from stopping them. That's where some failed to see writing detail deep down and why many explain about it and then understand meaning of the arc looking at it.
It was like Impel Down Arc, but different in a way as theme wasn't to defeat or dominate everyone, just to retrieve, escape, and build character for others especially Sanji. Did it's purpose and few mislead thinking it was another fighting arc when stated in the arc by characters they were not ready yet to 'defeat' an Yonko Crew many times. The arc was helping Sanji's character as both a cook and fighter as he did have fights, but just not full fight and reestablish his dream for All Blue and such.
How would you overlook anything if Oda would have added 1-2 chapters of Sanji Fighting? He is talking About adding a fight in the WCI Story and not switching a fight with other ''character related'' stuff.
I don't know if you can call it ''bad writing'', but it was definetely a bad move by Oda. Especially because Oda gave Luffy 2 big ass fights against 2 commanders in this Arc + he fought a whole army, but he can't give Sanji 1???
I don't know if you can call it ''bad writing'', but it was definetely a bad move by Oda. Especially because Oda gave Luffy 2 big ass fights against 2 commanders in this Arc + he fought a whole army, but he can't give Sanji 1???
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In defense Luffy got his cause #1 he was underestimated and sent Cracker to kill him thinking he was fodder while 2. He was secluded in Mirror World with Katakuri with no backup and even if they try to do it out in open, BMP don't honor 1 vs 1 rules. They will come after you as army, not rule-binding citizens as shown crew try to help Katakuri and didn't stop until he said so. If he was true scumbag, Luffy would be dead out of it.
They weren't ready to face army at this time and hard to get solid one on one fight through the course as look at tea party as well as many try to get involve in one on one fights for others.
They weren't ready to face army at this time and hard to get solid one on one fight through the course as look at tea party as well as many try to get involve in one on one fights for others.