Powers & Abilities Its time to accept admirals dont have any advanced abilities

[Welkin]

For most part yes but sufficiently fast characters can break through FS like Base Kaido in 1001 almost landed TB on luffy

And Kizaru was blocking snakeman initially then uses speed which most likely was faster than snakeman's attacks + Luffy himself was blinded.

Yeah but to even be able to block them is kinda ridiculous without FS

Not only has everyone that's dealt with Snakeman had FS but they all had unique ways of dealing with the barrages

Katakuri was able to bend through it by shifting his body in and out of "logia" form

Kaido slipped through it by going into dragon form and sliding through the openings

Kizaru just... blocked it. Surely he would need FS to predict the trajectory of each punch, right?

At least that's what I think makes the most sense lol

 

[MonsterKaido]

Yeah but to even be able to block them is kinda ridiculous without FS

Not only has everyone that's dealt with Snakeman had FS but they all had unique ways of dealing with the barrages

Katakuri was able to bend through it by shifting his body in and out of "logia" form

Kaido slipped through it by going into dragon form and sliding through the openings

Kizaru just... blocked it. Surely he would need FS to predict the trajectory of each punch, right?

At least that's what I think makes the most sense lol

Kizaru has mastered barrier haki though. Thats his haki speciality + he was using some kind of light defense. Also we don't see the entire fight and just that he was blocking.

Good chance he got hit by it off panel and then used barrier.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

I dont see any of them having AdvCoc but I do believe we havent seen any of them on panel except Greenbull use their DF to the max. Yea its likely Kuzan and Akainu went all out since they drastically changed the climate of an island but we didnt see the fight. I cant see an Admiral having a conqueror's will. They are essentially lap dogs to Imu and Gorosei. Actually pathetic when you think about it. What did Kizaru say? Just a cog in the wheel

Why do you think we've seen the peak of Aramaki's DF?

 

[Kiiro]

Still no advanced abilities

 

[trav]

Still no advanced abilities

Says who?
Ice Block Partisan should already be an awakened technique. Kuzan created the spears outside of his body, with no contact to them. As if he turned the air around him into ice. This should not be possible as far as we know except for awakening.

Maybe, just maybe, people have too high expectations of what awakening will look like for Logia and ignore the fact that Logia already have what awakening does for Paramecia. A near infinite amount of their element. Dolfamingo can not instantly create a house sized amount of string. Awakening does the job well for him. Ace on the other hand can create an entire small sun at a moments notice.
What would awakening do for Ace that he can not do on his own already?

Zoan awakening works differently than Paramecia awakening. Its not far off to assume that Logia awakening works differently still.
Imagine a Paramecia-like Logia awakening. A character stands on solid ground and suddenly falls through the floor because Smoker made it turn into intagible smoke. Now go a step further and let Smoker create a ditch in the ground under someone and the moment they fall in he releases the awakening, burying them underground. Its silly, even for Oda.

tl;dr
We probably already saw Logia awakening, but it was not what people expected it to be so they ignored it.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Says who?
Ice Block Partisan should already be an awakened technique. Kuzan created the spears outside of his body, with no contact to them. As if he turned the air around him into ice. This should not be possible as far as we know except for awakening.

Maybe, just maybe, people have too high expectations of what awakening will look like for Logia and ignore the fact that Logia already have what awakening does for Paramecia. A near infinite amount of their element. Dolfamingo can not instantly create a house sized amount of string. Awakening does the job well for him. Ace on the other hand can create an entire small sun at a moments notice.
What would awakening do for Ace that he can not do on his own already?

Zoan awakening works differently than Paramecia awakening. Its not far off to assume that Logia awakening works differently still.
Imagine a Paramecia-like Logia awakening. A character stands on solid ground and suddenly falls through the floor because Smoker made it turn into intagible smoke. Now go a step further and let Smoker create a ditch in the ground under someone and the moment they fall in he releases the awakening, burying them underground. Its silly, even for Oda.

tl;dr
We probably already saw Logia awakening, but it was not what people expected it to be so they ignored it.

Yep, folks love to act like Oda only made up ideas like DF Awakening or CoC infusion in the post ts and not before.

Iirc, Crocodile showed hints of Logia Awakening even as early as Alabasta. (1) When he claimed that he had mastered his powers to the utmost extent and (2) when he showed moves like Ground Secco/Ground Death where he affected his surroundings with his powers which he even termed as "Stamina-consuming".

I dont think Oda had "DF Awakening" as an explicit idea in his mind back then, but i dont think its a far fetched idea that he had early ideas regarding "complete DF mastery" which he then turned into "DF Awakening" later on.

 

[zenox]

Says who?
Ice Block Partisan should already be an awakened technique. Kuzan created the spears outside of his body, with no contact to them. As if he turned the air around him into ice. This should not be possible as far as we know except for awakening.

Maybe, just maybe, people have too high expectations of what awakening will look like for Logia and ignore the fact that Logia already have what awakening does for Paramecia. A near infinite amount of their element. Dolfamingo can not instantly create a house sized amount of string. Awakening does the job well for him. Ace on the other hand can create an entire small sun at a moments notice.
What would awakening do for Ace that he can not do on his own already?

Zoan awakening works differently than Paramecia awakening. Its not far off to assume that Logia awakening works differently still.
Imagine a Paramecia-like Logia awakening. A character stands on solid ground and suddenly falls through the floor because Smoker made it turn into intagible smoke. Now go a step further and let Smoker create a ditch in the ground under someone and the moment they fall in he releases the awakening, burying them underground. Its silly, even for Oda.

tl;dr
We probably already saw Logia awakening, but it was not what people expected it to be so they ignored it.

if it’s just some attacks in their arsenal
I don’t think it’s that impressive then

imo df awakening should show something which boosts the character’s fighting ability immensely that we can recognise the difference ,not just another attack in their basic arsenal

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Why is it time to accept anything? Let's at least wait until Eggehead fights are over.

 

[SakazOuki]

When the characters with the “advanced“ abilities get smacked around by Snakeman, while the guy with no “advanced” ability treats like another day at the office, tell me who really is more “advanced”

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Akainu defeated Aokiji

Hence Kuzan’s ice should have disappeared when he was KO’d.

The fact that it didn’t leads me to think it was probably awakening.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I simply hope Kizaru goes all out in egghead so we will know wether they are awakened or not.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

If admirals show any of these "advanced abilities" the goalpost will change and those abilities won't be considered advance anymore

 

[Dragon777]

Still no advanced abilities

We literally saw at least One lol.

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I simply hope Kizaru goes all out in egghead so we will know wether they are awakened or not.

Me too.

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If admirals show any of these "advanced abilities" the goalpost will change and those abilities won't be considered advance anymore

 

[God of Finance]

I can see originals having FS in addition to barrier.
They're maybe awakened too.
Greenbitch is def awakened since he used it on panel.
Issho will prob get awakening down the line.
I don't see new ones with adv haki
No one but Post-TS Sakazuki should have COC.

 

[Dragon777]

I can see originals having FS in addition to barrier.
They're maybe awakened too.
Greenbitch is def awakened since he used it on panel.
Issho will prob get awakening down the line.
I don't see new ones with adv haki
No one but Post-TS Sakazuki should have COC.

Issho imho is 99% a CoC user. There are even some interesting obakes about him:

 

[Kiiro]

We literally saw at least One lol.

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Me too.

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Which one?

 

[Dragon777]

Which one?

Adv CoA

In his introduction he literally said he was Sentomaru's teacher. Also we physically saw him using it at MF, and maybe against the Snakeman.

 

[Kiiro]

Says who?
Ice Block Partisan should already be an awakened technique. Kuzan created the spears outside of his body, with no contact to them. As if he turned the air around him into ice. This should not be possible as far as we know except for awakening.

Maybe, just maybe, people have too high expectations of what awakening will look like for Logia and ignore the fact that Logia already have what awakening does for Paramecia. A near infinite amount of their element. Dolfamingo can not instantly create a house sized amount of string. Awakening does the job well for him. Ace on the other hand can create an entire small sun at a moments notice.
What would awakening do for Ace that he can not do on his own already?

Zoan awakening works differently than Paramecia awakening. Its not far off to assume that Logia awakening works differently still.
Imagine a Paramecia-like Logia awakening. A character stands on solid ground and suddenly falls through the floor because Smoker made it turn into intagible smoke. Now go a step further and let Smoker create a ditch in the ground under someone and the moment they fall in he releases the awakening, burying them underground. Its silly, even for Oda.

tl;dr
We probably already saw Logia awakening, but it was not what people expected it to be so they ignored it.

I've have said the same. But it still needs confirmation, ar at least be hinted, mentioned or something otherwise it is just theory.

I also agree their awakening should not be a whole new level of powers, and that Logia users already have the full package while the other fruits have to awaken it.

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Adv CoA

In his introduction he literally said he was Sentomaru's teacher. Also we physically saw him using it at MF, and maybe against the Snakeman.

But that aint advanced. Call it as you like, but "advanced" was when Luffy coupd use it as internal damage.

While using it for blocking, even to cover swords or other weapons aint advanced as we saw Boa sisters do the same. It aint advanced, its just different usages of their haki.

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Akainu defeated Aokiji

Hence Kuzan’s ice should have disappeared when he was KO’d.

The fact that it didn’t leads me to think it was probably awakening.

Even awakening dissappears. But being nature powers, the island just changed and kept Ice and lava.

 

[Dragon777]

But that aint advanced. Call it as you like, but "advanced" was when Luffy coupd use it as internal damage.

While using it for blocking, even to cover swords or other weapons aint advanced as we saw Boa sisters do the same. It aint advanced, its just different usages of their haki.

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Barrier is an advanced form of the basic CoA. The OP in this thread labelled it as such, tbh. And the Kuja are world famous for their haki.

But never mind on that, this is just a term problem.

As far as internal destruction, the Admirals didn't show it, but honestly apart from the cases Oda told us explicitly, is almost impossible to understand who has it.

 

[Kiiro]

Barrier is an advanced form of the basic CoA. The OP in this thread labelled it as such, tbh. And the Kuja are world famous for their haki.

But never mind on that, this is just a term problem.

As far as internal destruction, the Admirals didn't show it, but honestly apart from the cases Oda told us explicitly, is almost impossible to understand who has it.

No it isnt. The fact that Luffy didnt know doenst mean it is advanced when Boa sisters already had it. The OP of the thread is wrong just as basically most lf the users.

I can agree Kizaru has it, but it call it advanced?? Mmm nope