Speculations Kaido being the strongest , is just what people say it is not a fact.

[Yo Tan Wa]

It's not like even if rumour are untrue, Kaidou absolutely became worse of Top tiers from Strongest Top tier.

Kaidou is High Top tier, certainly not the Strongest bt clearly above many Top tiers.

As for WSC, i agree it could be due to Dragon df, they could be termed as World strongest creature. Tho i think his body is also unnatural, easily surviving 10,000 feets jump.

 

[sanjikun]

and it is not a fact as you people say for the first part , for the second part "This pirate is said to be the strongest creature alive"

The Japanese uses "呼ばれる" which means "called". As in

"Land, sea, air, he is called the strongest living being."

There is nothing about rumours or bets or whatnot. That is pretty straight forward.

 

[ardym]

First of all, as I mentioned, Big Mom is a side piece to Kaido in his arc. That in itself should show you who is the strongest. Secondly, she was in chains, and Kaido told his subordinates to uncuff her.

Thirdly, battles between Top Tiers last at least 10 days. If you interrupted Akainu and Aokiji after 3 days, saying if Akainu was stronger he should have beaten him is nonsense. Kaido would have outlasted a 68 year old Big Mom easily.

being 68 doesn't really matter to BM she was a monster at age of 5 and she will when she is 90 as well lol
anyway no one knows what will happen if they fought for 10 days it is not like you know
and no she is not a side piece more like Oda doesn't have the time , and Luffy told her he will take her down after Kaido which means she is at least as strong as he is .

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It's not like even if rumour are untrue, Kaidou absolutely became worse of Top tiers from Strongest Top tier.

Kaidou is High Top tier, certainly not the Strongest bt clearly above many Top tiers.

As for WSC, i agree it could be due to Dragon df, they could be termed as World strongest creature. Tho i think his body is also unnatural, easily surviving 10,000 feets jump.

i am not saying he is not a top tier anymore , my opinion was always that he is for sure not the strongest because of the fact that he will go down first , and for sure he is still stronger than some admirals but i am pretty sure he is not as strong as Shanks and BB should have surpassed him as well or maybe not , BB is a schemer , he wait for chances to make a move.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

The Japanese uses "呼ばれる" which means "called". As in

"Land, sea, air, he is called the strongest living being."

There is nothing about rumours or bets or whatnot. That is pretty straight forward.

They confused Kaido being strongest living being with 1 vs 1 Hype

Kaido being the strongest living being is fact that Oda confirmed even in sbs by using Kaido as benchmark to state a mother is stronger.

Like you said If Kaido isnt strongest or stronger than BM
Then he wouldn't be Main Man of Wano arc. Wano a very important arc to begin with even.

Oda wont go far to give him the 3rd best individual strength hype in OP.

Yonko level CoC : splitting the skies and shaking the seas
This alone shows Kaido Shanks BM WB are in the same level .
Coz CoC is as strong as one person overall strength is.

For them to say Kaido is weaker than admirals or X will mean old sick WB/Shanks/BM are also under
Coz Yonko battles seemed equal so far. No was shown winning or dominating the clash.

 

[MD Zolo]

First of all, as I mentioned, Big Mom is a side piece to Kaido in his arc. That in itself should show you who is the strongest. Secondly, she was in chains, and Kaido told his subordinates to uncuff her.

Dude!! BM was a side-piece in WCI too. That has no bearing at all. There is no, absolutely no indication that Kaido is stronger than BM in any part of the manga.

The Japanese uses "呼ばれる" which means "called". As in

"Land, sea, air, he is called the strongest living being."

There is nothing about rumours or bets or whatnot. That is pretty straight forward.

'Called' basically means that it people refer to him as such. Not a fact.

 

[ardym]

to be honest though i will not be disappointed if Luffy gets help against Kaido but there is a high possibility that he will solo him , he said already many times that he will be the one who takes Kaido down , twice in Zoo and once in WCI , and he told Kid off as he said that he will be the one who will take Kaido down, he was given many power ups so it will make much sense that he will take on drunken Kaido alone . Luffy usually don't let others help Law helping against Doffy was an exception since Law has a grudge against him

 

[Worst]

I always say this when it comes to this debate : Kaido is the Strongest living thing but not the most powerful
and power > strength ..... he is just the pinnacle of physical strength so the "if it's 1 v 1 always bet on Kaido" means that you should always bet on him because when u 1 v 1 someone no matter what power you have you will get physical at some point and when it comes to punches well no one punches harder than him (again just in temrs of raw strength) and if Kaido lands a hit you are done for (Luffy and Oden are an example) does that mean Kaido is unbeatable? Ofc no he took 7 Ls (8 with the war that will happen) but it just means that u can't beat him with your strength cuz he is stronger than you, but if you have great power u can definetly beat him up....

 

[ardym]

'Called' basically means that it people refer to him as such. Not a fact.

and really there is a reason for such name he is a freaking dragon, sure the people will think a Dragon is stronger than a mere human being like Shanks

 

[Rmstorm]

I always say this when it comes to this debate : Kaido is the Strongest living thing but not the most powerful
and power > strength ..... he is just the pinnacle of physical strength so the "if it's 1 v 1 always bet on Kaido" means that you should always bet on him because when u 1 v 1 someone no matter what power you have you will get physical at some point and when it comes to punches well no one punches harder than him (again just in temrs of raw strength) and if Kaido lands a hit you are done for (Luffy and Oden are an example) does that mean Kaido is unbeatable? Ofc no he took 7 Ls (8 with the war that will happen) but it just means that u can't beat him with your strength cuz he is stronger than you, but if you have great power u can definetly beat him up....

Kaido has weaker physical punching strength than Luffy and Garp. He uses a special club to one shot people.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

To be honest after this flashback we had oden clashing equally with whitebeard, then getting his ass kicked easily by roger who then proceeds to clash equally with WB. Then oden looked weak against the barrier fruit and then he goes after kaido and it seems like we was taking the advantage.

So my thoughts are quite simple:

 

[Worst]

Kaido has weaker physical punching strength than Luffy and Garp. He uses a special club to one shot people.

 

[ardym]

it is funny Luffy defeated two commanders in WCI and is gonna defeat two yonkos in Wano

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Kaido has weaker physical punching strength than Luffy and Garp. He uses a special club to one shot people.

Emmmmm

Ummmm

Ummmm

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

To be honest after this flashback we had oden clashing equally with whitebeard, then getting his ass kicked easily by roger who then proceeds to clash equally with WB.

Nah, in fact one of the first things Oda highlights during Oden's journey is how he discovered new meanings of "power" when he saw Whitebeard fighting. He never clashed equally with Whitebeard and for those who thought so Oda didn't take long before putting Oden where he belonged.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

- Kaido from 20 years ago can oneshot Oden

Kaido hit Oden in the back of the head when Oden was utterly defenseless.

Spoiler

Queen did the same thing and took out Big Mom

Contrary to popular opinion, characters in OP don't have "health bars" like they're in some sort of video game. If you hit a character in a critical area when they aren't defending themselves, you can in fact take them out even if you are close in strength or even weaker than them.

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- Kaido from 20 years ago can take Oden's attack in his most vulnerable form and not faint

Kaido's dragon form arguably has the greatest durability

and as for him not fainting, after that hit, Kaido was lying on the ground unable to move. Oden was literally about to go for the killshot if not for the hag.

 

[Chrono]

Kaido hit Oden in the back of the head when Oden was utterly defenseless.

Spoiler

Queen did the same thing and took out Big Mom

Contrary to popular opinion, characters in OP don't have "health bars" like they're in some sort of video game. If you hit a character in a critical area when they aren't defending themselves, you can in fact take them out even if you are close in strength or even weaker than them.

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Kaido's dragon form arguably has the greatest durability

and as for him not fainting, after that hit, Kaido was lying on the ground unable to move. Oden was literally about to go for the killshot if not for the hag.

- Queen took BM out ?
- Kaido's Zoan form having greatest durability ?
- Kaido unable to move ?

What are all of these horrible assumptions

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Nah, in fact one of the first things Oda highlights during Oden's journey is how he discovered new meanings of "power" when he saw Whitebeard fighting. He never clashed equally with Whitebeard and for those who thought so Oda didn't take long before putting Oden where he belonged.

And what about kaido? What I meant is that people shouldn't put too much thought and energy into power level when it comes to one piece.
I do sometimes but I know in the end characters will appear just as strong as oda want them to be. I mean luffy was one shoted by kaido and he is going to defeat him after a 2 weeks training.

 

[comrade]

Kaido was busing setting the place ablaze and Oden used that moment to cut him into the flesh a bit. But that wasn't nearly enough to knock Kaido out. While Kaido knocked Oden out with one blow, in base. If it was a 1 on 1 and Kaido started in Hybrid, Oden would've lost.

The chapter of Kaido's introduction said that he lost 7 times, but now is considered the strongest 1 on 1. The SBS reinforces it when implying Kaido is the strongest.

 

[Just a member]

What happened last chapter is just another nail in a coffin which was buried time ago.

The first problems aroused with the title itself. At first I was even surprised people really believed him to be the strongest OP character. Anyway.. Fishy title, somewhat overlapping woth the real holder of that title aka WB. Then we have a lot of situations who are against this again.. Why and how Shanks stopped the strongest creature, why a BM without Zeus made a tie with Kaido in his own base, why are we dealing with Kaido right now while characters like Shanks and BM are still an almost complete mistery. Now there is evidence that 20 years ago Oden > Kaido while Oden was a small fry compared to the real top tiers. It is strange even keeping the debate going on at this point.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

And what about kaido? What I meant is that people shouldn't put too much thought and energy into power level when it comes to one piece.
I do sometimes but I know in the end characters will appear just as strong as oda want them to be. I mean luffy was one shoted by kaido and he is going to defeat him after a 2 weeks training.

What about Kaido? Unless he faced Oden using his hybrid, probably awakened form in current time instead of twenty years ago then it is impossible for us to make any measurement using his top tier level. Yonko Kaido isn't twenty years ago Kaido with no proper usage of his fruit in a direct fight, that's like putting someone at Luffy's level without facing Gear Fourth.