Speculations Kaido being the strongest , is just what people say it is not a fact.
To be honest after this flashback we had oden clashing equally with whitebeard, then getting his ass kicked easily by roger who then proceeds to clash equally with WB. Then oden looked weak against the barrier fruit and then he goes after kaido and it seems like we was taking the advantage.
So my thoughts are quite simple:
So my thoughts are quite simple:
Yo.. WTF?
Kaido was floating around in the sky, having his face not even directed towards Oden.
But either way, why does this make Kaido look bad? Kaido was in his full zoan form and Oden is simply a beast. That doesn't dehype Kaido at all.
But either way, why does this make Kaido look bad? Kaido was in his full zoan form and Oden is simply a beast. That doesn't dehype Kaido at all.
Anyhow, Oden was one of the strongest people in OP, and had WSM potential. He was born a monster. This fight shows nothing that Kaido's title is a rumour. Kaido even compared him to Roger and Whitebeard. Let's not forget Oden was part of the middle generation.
E.Oda himself.
That's better than any bullshit info box that he wrote in the manga.
- Chapter 069, the info box introduces Nami as a member of Arlong pirates, and even a ''crew officer'' while that was true when you look at it from the outside, essentially she was never felt herself as a member of Arlong pirates.
- Chapter 696, the info box tells us that momonosuke is kinemon's son.
- Chapter 233, and Chapter 793, the info box tells us that the Gorousei are the ''supreme'' authority of the World Government and then the ''highest power'' of the World Government, while later we learned that they were not, it was Imu.
- Chapter 325 and 326, Kaku and Kalifa were essentially the World Government agents.
- Chapter 712, pretty much same with Nami being member of Arlong pirates.
- Chapter 598, although this is not deceiving anyone, it's a blatant lie.
- Chapter 763, Rosinante as a member of Doflamingo pirate crew.
- Chapter 908, the info box introduces Jewelry Bonney as ''Queen Dowager Conney''.
That's better than any bullshit info box that he wrote in the manga.
- Chapter 696, the info box tells us that momonosuke is kinemon's son.
- Chapter 233, and Chapter 793, the info box tells us that the Gorousei are the ''supreme'' authority of the World Government and then the ''highest power'' of the World Government, while later we learned that they were not, it was Imu.
- Chapter 325 and 326, Kaku and Kalifa were essentially the World Government agents.
- Chapter 712, pretty much same with Nami being member of Arlong pirates.
- Chapter 598, although this is not deceiving anyone, it's a blatant lie.
- Chapter 763, Rosinante as a member of Doflamingo pirate crew.
- Chapter 908, the info box introduces Jewelry Bonney as ''Queen Dowager Conney''.
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BM has weaker punching strength, she uses a special sword (homie)
Shanks has weaker skills coz he uses a special sword
Mihawk isn't WSS coz he uses a black supreme blade
WB isn't WSM nor strongest pirate in prime coz he has the strongest Paramecia and supreme blade
His strength sucks
Your logic eh
He swings the bat! Physical strength... the dude doesnt throw flying slashes or attacks. He needs direct contact,
the output the club strikes, comes from his own strength directly.
Shanks has weaker skills coz he uses a special sword
Mihawk isn't WSS coz he uses a black supreme blade
WB isn't WSM nor strongest pirate in prime coz he has the strongest Paramecia and supreme blade
His strength sucks
Your logic eh
He swings the bat! Physical strength... the dude doesnt throw flying slashes or attacks. He needs direct contact,
the output the club strikes, comes from his own strength directly.
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Can you conclude Kaido was reallg focused on Oden even after he shouted?
Seeing Kaido face while attacking second time... don't really 100% fact that he was aiming at Oden.
Oden seems like he flew straight on . The panel where he kneels, saido looking away, if we see that Oden flew straight on then he cut Kaido who was attacking elsewhere, by cutting him from the side not really head on by the middle of his chest.
That's why Kaido scar is even by the side. Not chest,
Akainu fisted WB by the middle coz he was clearly head on, someone you slash head on, has cut in the middle not side unless you were aiming for the side. (And we know Oden was gonn to cut Kaido neck but failed ,)
For a fact, Kaido will match Oden in base form.
He matched a stronger natural freak for days.
Concluding oden will beat Kaido coz he landed one fatal blow on Dragon kaido (which Kaido was still able to stand up pretty fast considering it was really fatal) is wrong. Oda clearly showed despite the fatal blow, kaido can get up quick after.
Oden was top 10 during Roger Era :
1-2. Roger /WB
3. Shiki
4-5. Garp/Sengoku
6. Kong
7. BM
8. Kaido
9-10 . Ray/Oden
Top 5 middle gen :
Kaido
Oden
Akainu/Shanks
Dragon
Garp couldn't flatten Chinjao at first so he went training to do so then came back stronger to beat Chinjao. This was 30 years ago.
The Man took down Rocks with Roger yet needed training for Chinjao.the Man who was cornering Roger many times.
Prime Garp best 1 vs 1 W remains against Chinjao aftr training up.
Now Kaido getting damaged by Oden (much stronger than Chinjao) and winning via distraction shouldn't be a downplay this hard even.
Prime Garp himself needed training for someone below him.
Kaido(in 30s) 20 years ago fighting like poor this isnt a big issue...
even tho I'm disappointed, he still won.
If Kaido isnt strong than Roger isnt powerful to be matched by prime Garp who needed training for chinjao ... how many people train against a weaker opponents then themselves?
This tells me either Chinjao was really stronger than we think (coz Oda even called him lately a rival of Garp.) Or Garp isn't that strong too; which makes Roger not so powerful.
Seeing Kaido face while attacking second time... don't really 100% fact that he was aiming at Oden.
Oden seems like he flew straight on . The panel where he kneels, saido looking away, if we see that Oden flew straight on then he cut Kaido who was attacking elsewhere, by cutting him from the side not really head on by the middle of his chest.
That's why Kaido scar is even by the side. Not chest,
Akainu fisted WB by the middle coz he was clearly head on, someone you slash head on, has cut in the middle not side unless you were aiming for the side. (And we know Oden was gonn to cut Kaido neck but failed ,)
For a fact, Kaido will match Oden in base form.
He matched a stronger natural freak for days.
Concluding oden will beat Kaido coz he landed one fatal blow on Dragon kaido (which Kaido was still able to stand up pretty fast considering it was really fatal) is wrong. Oda clearly showed despite the fatal blow, kaido can get up quick after.
Oden was top 10 during Roger Era :
1-2. Roger /WB
3. Shiki
4-5. Garp/Sengoku
6. Kong
7. BM
8. Kaido
9-10 . Ray/Oden
Top 5 middle gen :
Kaido
Oden
Akainu/Shanks
Dragon
Garp couldn't flatten Chinjao at first so he went training to do so then came back stronger to beat Chinjao. This was 30 years ago.
The Man took down Rocks with Roger yet needed training for Chinjao.the Man who was cornering Roger many times.
Prime Garp best 1 vs 1 W remains against Chinjao aftr training up.
Now Kaido getting damaged by Oden (much stronger than Chinjao) and winning via distraction shouldn't be a downplay this hard even.
Prime Garp himself needed training for someone below him.
Kaido(in 30s) 20 years ago fighting like poor this isnt a big issue...
even tho I'm disappointed, he still won.
If Kaido isnt strong than Roger isnt powerful to be matched by prime Garp who needed training for chinjao ... how many people train against a weaker opponents then themselves?
This tells me either Chinjao was really stronger than we think (coz Oda even called him lately a rival of Garp.) Or Garp isn't that strong too; which makes Roger not so powerful.
i expect Imu ( who's based on Ymir , the first living creature whose body parts created Earth in Norse Mythology ) to be stronger him
That's why Kaido's WSC isn't straightforward as Mihawk's "World's Strongest Swordsman" or Whitebeard's "World's Strongest Man" , it is only based on opinion of people in One Piece ( who doesn't know Imu's existence )
there are often something like "people say" or "this pirate is said" before "strongest creature" is mentioned , be it in a Volume description , Manga page , or Magazine
That's why Kaido's WSC isn't straightforward as Mihawk's "World's Strongest Swordsman" or Whitebeard's "World's Strongest Man" , it is only based on opinion of people in One Piece ( who doesn't know Imu's existence )
there are often something like "people say" or "this pirate is said" before "strongest creature" is mentioned , be it in a Volume description , Manga page , or Magazine
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It is not
Using a weapon doesn't take away his physical strength hype.
A special club shouldn't be the reason why Oden got taken out like a fodder (sneak attack or not; a nameless strike took him out, kaido sidnt exert same force as when he swings Thunderclap)
First it was sea stone now back to just special club to downplay him lol
Imu isnt strongest creature. Yeah he may be powerful but he wouldn't be called WSC.
Neither Teach will be called WSM despite being the strongest pirate EoS.
To Oda Kaido is the strongest living being.
He answered the sbs by stating Kaido name even when the reporter never asked about Kaido *instead mother being above Akainu.
Titles are based on what each character did is known for.
WSS is about skills , cutting skills (this is why in Zoro novel they compare their cutting skills)
Ace novel gives depth to WSM and WSC:
WSM is mainly legacy, WB piracy life even tho he is powerful.
WSC is mainly about Kaido not being killed, him having 1 vs 1 bet. His solo fighting piracy life.
(Gotta remember Kaido still didnt order the dirty trick, he uses openings for his good, that means he can win head on or from the back. That doesn't mean he isnt 1 vs 1 dude, since we haven't seen Kaido cheating willingly/ordering a dirty trick)
Will Teach legacy surpass WB's? Nah lol will he be stronger than WB ? Definitely
Will Imu be 1 v 1 , solo dude ? Unkillable even when captured/tortured/cut fatally ? Maybe or maybe not
Unlike WSS which has 2 options : beat the WSS and surpass (show better feats)
With WSM/WSC,
you cant earn it by beating previous one but you can earn it by doing better than they did in their piracy lives
This is why no man was crowned WSM since WB died, none of them has surpassed his legacy. Even old sick WB had the title coz no Yonko still surpassed his legacy
Using a weapon doesn't take away his physical strength hype.
A special club shouldn't be the reason why Oden got taken out like a fodder (sneak attack or not; a nameless strike took him out, kaido sidnt exert same force as when he swings Thunderclap)
First it was sea stone now back to just special club to downplay him lol
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Imu isnt strongest creature. Yeah he may be powerful but he wouldn't be called WSC.
Neither Teach will be called WSM despite being the strongest pirate EoS.
To Oda Kaido is the strongest living being.
He answered the sbs by stating Kaido name even when the reporter never asked about Kaido *instead mother being above Akainu.
Titles are based on what each character did is known for.
WSS is about skills , cutting skills (this is why in Zoro novel they compare their cutting skills)
Ace novel gives depth to WSM and WSC:
WSM is mainly legacy, WB piracy life even tho he is powerful.
WSC is mainly about Kaido not being killed, him having 1 vs 1 bet. His solo fighting piracy life.
(Gotta remember Kaido still didnt order the dirty trick, he uses openings for his good, that means he can win head on or from the back. That doesn't mean he isnt 1 vs 1 dude, since we haven't seen Kaido cheating willingly/ordering a dirty trick)
Will Teach legacy surpass WB's? Nah lol will he be stronger than WB ? Definitely
Will Imu be 1 v 1 , solo dude ? Unkillable even when captured/tortured/cut fatally ? Maybe or maybe not
Unlike WSS which has 2 options : beat the WSS and surpass (show better feats)
With WSM/WSC,
you cant earn it by beating previous one but you can earn it by doing better than they did in their piracy lives
This is why no man was crowned WSM since WB died, none of them has surpassed his legacy. Even old sick WB had the title coz no Yonko still surpassed his legacy
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Kaido wasn't in his most "Vulnerable" form like many assumes. I mean dude was in his Full Zoan Dragon form with Dragon Scale to protect himself. And WTF is it was not his hybrid..?? Even in Hybrid- his skin will still be as "Vulnerable" as in Zoan form, if not more. He has most explosive power in his Zoan, more mobility in his Human Form and Hybrid Form allows him to utilize the full potential of his Zoan form while also maintaining his mobility as Human form.
In Summary; Kaido isn't as unbeatable as he was assumed by many. He was even introduced as the guy who took 7 Ls and was taken a prisoner in multiple occasion.
In Summary; Kaido isn't as unbeatable as he was assumed by many. He was even introduced as the guy who took 7 Ls and was taken a prisoner in multiple occasion.
in Artur's site , it said : Whitebeard attained the title of "strongest in the world" well before the great age of pirates, as he had immense power and an ability that could destroy the world
so it wasn't all because he had Gura Gura , but because his abilities outside it as well ( i think the bolded is referring to it , while "an ability that could destroy the world" is obviously referring to Gura
but anyway i don't remember when Oda put something like "it is said that" , "this pirate is said to be" , "known as" , "people say" next to WB's title , same with Mihawk's title
i do believe Kaido is stronger than 10 other top tiers but by tiny margin , except maybe Big Mom because i have a doubt about Prometheus' feeble attacks being able to harm Kaido ( especially Hybrid )
i believe it because , other things than WSC , like Kaido's bounty being the 3rd highest behind Roger and WB , and he was the only among Emperors to became an Emperor through sheer strength , and Teach calling him a monster while not doing the same to Big Mom/Fujitora/Ryokugyu ( who Teach also mentioned ) led me to believe Kaido is indeed the current strongest
however , latest chapter showed to me that , he is still a mid top tier , and not Roger's/WB's lvl , or between mid top tiers and Roger/WB
fellow mid top tiers like Akainu and Mihawk can push him to near limit Extreme Diff imo
( Awakened Akainu ~ full power Mihawk ~ Hybrid Kaido )
so it wasn't all because he had Gura Gura , but because his abilities outside it as well ( i think the bolded is referring to it , while "an ability that could destroy the world" is obviously referring to Gura
but anyway i don't remember when Oda put something like "it is said that" , "this pirate is said to be" , "known as" , "people say" next to WB's title , same with Mihawk's title
i do believe Kaido is stronger than 10 other top tiers but by tiny margin , except maybe Big Mom because i have a doubt about Prometheus' feeble attacks being able to harm Kaido ( especially Hybrid )
i believe it because , other things than WSC , like Kaido's bounty being the 3rd highest behind Roger and WB , and he was the only among Emperors to became an Emperor through sheer strength , and Teach calling him a monster while not doing the same to Big Mom/Fujitora/Ryokugyu ( who Teach also mentioned ) led me to believe Kaido is indeed the current strongest
however , latest chapter showed to me that , he is still a mid top tier , and not Roger's/WB's lvl , or between mid top tiers and Roger/WB
fellow mid top tiers like Akainu and Mihawk can push him to near limit Extreme Diff imo
( Awakened Akainu ~ full power Mihawk ~ Hybrid Kaido )
