Powers & Abilities Kaido isn't the strongest character

[Gol D. Roger]

Whether or not Kaido is a fraud, it's undeniable Oda created a clear distinction b/w WSC and the other Worlds Strongest titles which is apparent form the way these title holders are introduced. However, I don't think the reasons you're using to imply he's not truly the strongest necessarily work against him.

His 7 defeats, for example, were never specified to be from one on one or that they happened recently. Assuming someone defeated him in one on one that too recently is more of head-canon than assuming his defeats happened in the past or that he was gangbanged. I mean, People of OP, which includes someone of the well informed pirates, wouldn't buy the whole WSC shit if someone defeated Kaido in a one on one recently. And no, immortality doesn't earn you worlds strongest titles. That doesn't even make any sense.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Whether or not Kaido is a fraud, it's undeniable Oda created a clear distinction b/w WSC and the other Worlds Strongest titles which is apparent form the way these title holders are introduced. However, I don't think the reasons you're using to imply he's not truly the strongest necessarily work against him.

His 7 defeats, for example, were never specified to be from one on one or that they happened recently. Assuming someone defeated him in one on one that too recently is more of head-canon than assuming that his defeats happened in the past or that he was gangbanged. I mean, People of OP, which includes someone of the well informed pirates, wouldn't buy the whole WSC shit if someone defeated Kaido in a one on one recently. And no, immortality doesn't earn you worlds strongest titles. That doesn't even make any sense.

Apparently not looking at the previous posts...

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Apparently not looking at the previous posts...

Not sure what you're even trying to say

 

[Reborn]

You are salty because Kaido has been called the Strongest Pirate and not Mihawk. Hence the thread

Never argued mihawk being the strongest.


Go and come with some arguments instead of being a cry baby

He used his as highest comparison example in the SBS, that's as good as it gets.
The only character who is hyped up through loses... Obviously, Koi D Uo is special.
The personification of strength and perseverance.
The only reason why Oda is making it doubtful is because he loves people to argue about it.

Not really!

As I said in op that wb enjoyed the hype from others but not kaido.

His strongest creature hype can be explainer on the basis of his df.


Also, it doesn't make sense to have strifes character to be defeated before the EoS

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Not sure what you're even trying to say

You said it´s undeniable, a lot of people are denying it and are equating the supposed title of Kaidou with the actual titles of Mihawk and Whitebeard.

 

[Reborn]

Whether or not Kaido is a fraud, it's undeniable Oda created a clear distinction b/w WSC and the other Worlds Strongest titles which is apparent form the way these title holders are introduced. However, I don't think the reasons you're using to imply he's not truly the strongest necessarily work against him.

His 7 defeats, for example, were never specified to be from one on one or that they happened recently. Assuming someone defeated him in one on one that too recently is more of head-canon than assuming his defeats happened in the past or that he was gangbanged. I mean, People of OP, which includes someone of the well informed pirates, wouldn't buy the whole WSC shit if someone defeated Kaido in a one on one recently. And no, immortality doesn't earn you worlds strongest titles. That doesn't even make any sense.

I think it's common sense to assume that oda won't bring 7 defeats into the narration if it was team work.

He used his defeat in the Narration to make a point clear.

It was to establish that kaido is defeatable.

 

[nik87]

As I said in op that wb enjoyed the hype from others but not kaido.

WB is greater pirate, Kaido is stronger. One has nothing to do with the other.

Also, it doesn't make sense to have strifes character to be defeated before the EoS

It does because Kaido is obviously not being taken out in 1vs1 like others will be...

 

[Reborn]

Wb and roger both hyped as the strongest but none got such defeated narration then why kaido? It's work against the hype doesn't it?


Oda did it to leave room to hype future characters beyond Kaido
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WB is greater pirate, Kaido is stronger. One has nothing to do with the other.

It does because Kaido is obviously not being taken out in 1vs1 like others will be...

Wb was placed at higher league than other yonkous.

He was not just the greatest pirate but strongest too.

And, it's quite clear that kaido got this supposed strongest pirate title after WB death.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

We know that Kaido is considered as the strongest creature and pirate.

But is he the strongest character as of now?

Yes, the manga clearly indicates so on multiple occasions. Whereas no one else has anything indicating them > the rest

A)Kaido's intro

Kaido introduction was one of the best in one piece. It still give me chills 🥶 but narration was logically inconsistent which sparked lots of debates ( until now).

Spoiler: Kaido intro 1

Spoiler: Kaido intro 2

Key take aways from his intro are

• Kaido got defeated 7 times and captured numerous times by navy.
• He can't be killed even by himself even if he jumps into the sea
• People say One on one bet on kaido
• He is the world strongest creature on land, air and sea.

Why intro gave vibe of being inconsistent?
Well on one hand kaido was hyped as strongest creature but on other hand narration says he got defeated.

People defended this by saying that it's because his defeat happened in the past but this is headcannon.

Point is not even once we got such intro in one piece so why for kaido?

Why to highlight that he got defeated 7 times in his narration if oda wanted to establish him as strongest character?

Not really seeing ur point? U didn’t provided anything indicating his defeats weren’t from before. Or any context on how he was defeated. Basically useless info that doesn’t indicate he’s not currently the strongest....

Answer to this comes up from recent Spoiler of chapter 999.

Oda had no intention to establish him as strongest character.

Kaido's DF (won't spoil those who don't read the Spoilers) removes this inconsistency.

• His df makes him the strongest creature on land, air and sea.
• It's because of his df that he is nearly impossible to kill and thus the hype from people that in one on one bet on kaido because you can't kill him.

But by saying that he is defeatable but can't be killed oda hyped his df and clearly establish the distinction between strongest creature and Strongest character.

In short, kaido is not the strongest character but strongest creature.

This is obvious from another perspective that kaido would be the first top tier among all the alive ones to go down first by the bunch of Supernovas.

U spoke of headcanon earlier. U can technically slide all of the in the column. Literally none of this is confirmed or backed. It’s ur assumption

B) Kaido is strongest pirate.

Now this hypes come from kidd and killer who got defeated by kaido. It's obvious why they consider him the strongest pirate after all they got defeated badly and see him as some monster.

But should we take their statement as some concrete fact? No

• Both kid and killer haven't fought (defeated and tortured) anyone like this not even against shanks.
• Kaido enjoy no such hype from other people. In case of Whitebeard, sengoku and even BM hyped him along with his portrayal with Roger. But kaido doesn't have such portrayal and hype from others
• We all know that Blackbeard will surpass him as strongest pirate soon.
• And, we literally don't know anything about shanks and Mihawk true strength.

All three of them would gained central point in story after kaido would be defeated.

This isn’t even an argument. Ur randomly assuming what Kid/killer apparently know. Instead of taking the statements as given. Basically more assumptions....

Us not knowing mihawk/shanks strength, or where they appear in the story irrelevant also. Kaido can still be stronger regardless of what they show or when it’s shown. An currently all hype/portrayal suggests Kaido stronger then both. Neither have any WSM claim to begin with.

Thus, it's quite logical from common shonen narration point of view to say that they would be hyped more than kaido.

So, kaido isn't the strongest character.

assumptions pass off as fact, are still assumptions.

C)Kaido vs scabbards and Akainu

First of all you must be smoking some high quality stuff while reading two piece to believe that Navy's strongest force is weaker than Yonkous😜

We know kaido is taking on scabbards and is overpowering them. It's an impressive feat.

But Akainu has far more impressive feat and portrayal under his belt

Spoiler: Akainu vs Marco/Vista

Both Marco and vista (top commanders of WBP) attacked him in RAGE (definitely put lot of power into their attacks) after seeing Ace die.

But Akainu took it as it was nothing. He was simply irritated

Spoiler: Akainu vs WBP

Akainu after putting holes in WB and taking a Direct Gura hit was still standing tall and walking as if he is fine.

In above image, he was ready to face all the WB commanders + croc and others alone. That's a massive portrayal for you regarding Akainu strength and easily eclipse kaido's portrayal of fighting scabbards.

WTF?? Kaido actually won the fight

Akainu also have best feat of defeating Kuzan which not only hypes Akainu but also kuzan.

Akainu would also be the end game opponent unlike kaido who is going down soon.

And, not to mention that kaido rumored strongest pirate hype doesn't include Akainu at all.

1-1 bet on Kaido includes Akainu/Kuzan. An no, Imu the end game villain that akainu boss remember...

Conclusion-

Kaido is the strongest creature but not the strongest character. Akainu, shanks, mihawk and Blackbeard would be portrayed stronger than him.

Thank you for reading✌️

Have a nice day🎉🥳​

Only BB will be stronger, shanks is a maybe. Others a clearly weaker.

 

[Tejas]

@Reborn , you are in for a big L if you read the spoilers.

 

[Reborn]

Yes, the manga clearly indicates so on multiple occasions. Whereas no one else has anything indicating them > the rest
Not really seeing ur point? U didn’t provided anything indicating his defeats weren’t from before. Or any context on how he was defeated. Basically useless info that doesn’t indicate he’s not currently the strongest....
U spoke of headcanon earlier. U can technically slide all of the in the column. Literally none of this is confirmed or backed. It’s ur assumption

This isn’t even an argument. Ur randomly assuming what Kid/killer apparently know. Instead of taking the statements as given. Basically more assumptions....

Us not knowing mihawk/shanks strength, or where they appear in the story irrelevant also. Kaido can still be stronger regardless of what they show or when it’s shown. An currently all hype/portrayal suggests Kaido stronger then both. Neither have any WSM claim to begin with.
assumptions pass off as fact, are still assumptions.
WTF?? Kaido actually won the fight


1-1 bet on Kaido includes Akainu/Kuzan. An no, Imu the end game villain that akainu boss remember...

Only BB will be stronger, shanks is a maybe. Others a clearly weaker.

So basically all of your arguments are this is assumption and blah blah


Please provide counter arguments to those assumptions because all I have seen from people who defend kaido being strongest character is taking things at face value instead of picking up the Context.


And, on few points you made.


Kaido one vs one isn't a title that places him above Akainu. We don't even know in What context that statement was made to be fair. But based on the narration context, it clearly means it comes from kaido being the strongest Creature and not character which is different ball game.

Also,.even if he defeated scabbards then also it doesn't make him strongest character.

@Reborn , you are in for a big L if you read the spoilers.

I know that you are in for massive L after wano will end but enlighten me how current Spoiler establish him as strongest character

 

[Tejas]

So basically all of your arguments are this is assumption and blah blah


Please provide counter arguments to those assumptions because all I have seen from people who defend kaido being strongest character is taking things at face value instead of picking up the Context.


And, on few points you made.


Kaido one vs one isn't a title that places him above Akainu. We don't even know in What context that statement was made to be fair. But based on the narration context, it clearly means it comes from kaido being the strongest Creature and not character which is different ball game.

Also,.even if he defeated scabbards then also it doesn't make him strongest character.



I know that you are in for massive L after wano will end but enlighten me how current Spoiler establish him as strongest character

Read spoilers

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

So basically all of your arguments are this is assumption and blah blah

was I lying? What factual context did u provide...

Please provide counter arguments to those assumptions because all I have seen from people who defend kaido being strongest character is taking things at face value instead of picking up the Context.

counter what exactly?? u didn’t actually say anything worth countering... Kaido having lost before does not indicate he’s currently not the strongest. No counter argument really needed. Nothing indicates he’s recently lost or that it was 1-1. Whereas his 1-1 bet on Kaido hype, actually does imply he hasn’t lost 1-1 recently.

Ur other argument was headcanon based on context not even out yet. So no point countering that.

Ur other statements around Shanks/mihawk are basically they’ll show up later so there stronger. That’s not a solid argument, nor does it do anything to change which of these 3 actual has WSM hype.

Kaido one vs one isn't a title that places him above Akainu. We don't even know in What context that statement was made to be fair. But based on the narration context, it clearly means it comes from kaido being the strongest Creature and not character which is different ball game.

what? What other context can 1-1 bet on Kaido have lol. It’s combat related hype that directly place him above akainu.

Also,.even if he defeated scabbards then also it doesn't make him strongest character.

True, still are far superior feat to akainu vs the WBPs. Which akainu only managed to beat 1 of, despite the most fraudulent(lethal) offense power in the manga.

 

[Gyro The God]

You are salty because Kaido has been called the Strongest Pirate and not Mihawk. Hence the thread

Strongest creature *

 

[Olimaat]

Strongest creature *

So Killer, Kidd and Zoro dont matter ?

 

[kenedyfake]

he didn't even drop Big Meme. That is tied with him. So the title does not proceed.
the more I like to let Kaido / Big Meme be the strongest these days, the more after this saga they are strength will be overcome or contested by other characters.

 

[nik87]

Wb was placed at higher league than other yonkous.

He was not just the greatest pirate but strongest too.

And, it's quite clear that kaido got this supposed strongest pirate title after WB death.

I think the moment Kaido reached his prime, he was the strongest.
Pretty sure he didnt need to wait for WBs death to become the strongest.
A lot of WB's hype comes from his military might. Individually, prime Kaido is probably stronger than anyone else.
He isnt lacking in anything compared to other top tiers while all of them are lacking his toughness and recovery.

 

[Olimaat]

Imo Primebeard > Primedo but they were never at prime at the same time. I really think Whitebeard started to decline a little bit after Roger's death since he apparently stopped fighting.

To schematize I think :

Primebeard : 36 years ago to ~20 years ago
Primedo : 18 years ago to now

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Damage control

Oda hypes him in sbs
Narrator hypes him
Navy hypes Kaido.
Orochi does the same
bM , doffy, Hawkins, Killer, kidd etc....
Teach himself hypes Kaido as a monster

Teach fanboy " I don't believe he's the strongest xoz i think teach is superior "
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1 v1 always bet on Kaido!!!!!


ALWAYS meaning the dude has 99,99% chances of winning
He always does win the solo battle because he's WSC

 

[nik87]

ALWAYS meaning the dude has 99,99% chances of winning

He is the strongest but dont go overboard with those numbers.