Character Discussion Kaido should have been treated like WB. Why does Oda only hype up good guys, and not the villains?

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

As I mentioned in the thread, with Kaido the narrator keeps it ambigious, but with WB, he just straight up says WB is the strongest. I just think its probably true

It definitely is. Both the narrator and the characters in-verse were hyping him for his strength.
And Oda specifically chose to have extremely experienced people like Sengoku, Tsuru and Garp hyping Whitebeard. So you can't even make the excuse of them talking out their ass, they KNOW what they're saying is true.

 

[MarineHQ]

I mean a silver medallist was treated like he should've been next to WB and Roger though I have to say Oda additionally fucked up with the man's character going forward.

Introduction Kaido and Wano Kaido don't feel like the same character. Everything regarding Oden was a big mess, didn't even write a proper Backstory.

 

[soupongo]

~admirals doesn’t touch wano in centuries

~Gabban says he can go to wano now that luffy beat kaido

Kaido was supposed to be an unlikable villain not a relatable character,again WB was just him

First of all, no that´s not what Gaban said. Gaban just said he would like to visit Wano again, he never said anything about waiting for Kaido to lose. Secondly, Kaido not doing anything in 28 years is more annoying then other characters, because he is supposed to be based on Genghis Khan and a lover of a war. But based on manga canon, he was a sitting duck. Even Big mom did more then him during the time skip, took FMI, while Kaido didn´t do anything. Lastly, Oda making only the good guys ¨him¨ is bad writing.

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So do you think when the likes of Crocodile at Marineford and stated he could’ve never lost to such a pathetic man, we should just disregard that because the narrator told us that Whitebeard was called the strongest man in the world? Lol

Whitebeard’s title was also inherently just a rumor, there is no “World’s Strongest” committee running around evaluating the power levels of these pirates with objectivity.



What facts did I deny? Which Admiral did Roger defeat? Which Pirate did he defeat? Which 1v1s did Roger win? Please educate me with all of the top tier opponents Roger factually defeated, I would love to hear about them for the first time.

Crocodile is the kind of guy who doesn´t trust anyone and looks down on the weak. The idea that he would lose to someone getting stabbed by his own subordinate is offensive to him. Plus, I don´t think its a rumor when the narrator says it.

 

[Levi]

First of all, no that´s not what Gaban said. Gaban just said he would like to visit Wano again, he never said anything about waiting for Kaido to lose. Secondly, Kaido not doing anything in 28 years is more annoying then other characters, because he is supposed to be based on Genghis Khan and a lover of a war. But based on manga canon, he was a sitting duck. Even Big mom did more then him during the time skip, took FMI, while Kaido didn´t do anything. Lastly, Oda making only the good guys ¨him¨ is bad writing.

Always no that’s not what he means
why vist after kaido dead and not before?
what was stopping him before since kaido isn’t the reason?
he could have went back at any time why now.
Yk the same logic you use as to why kaido doesn’t leave wano and go to elbaf or eggehead but doesn’t use logic for any other character.

“Kaido not doing anything in 28 years is more annoying than other characters.”

Why is that when kaido do something it’s 20 times worse?
WB not going to save his friend and letting him die or the WG not touching wano in centuries.

Is 28 years worse than centuries of zero admirals being able to touch wano or is it just bias?

 

[soupongo]

Always no that’s not what he means why vist after he’s kaido dead and not before?
what was stopping him before since kaido isn’t the reason?he could have went back at any time
why now.
Yk the same logic you use as to why kaido doesn’t leave wano and go to elbaf or eggehead but doesn’t use that for literally any other character.
Kaido not doing anything in 28 years is more annoying than other characters.

Why is that when kaido do something it’s 20 times worse?
WB not going to save his friend and letting him die or the WG not touching wano in centuries.

Is 28 years worse than centuries of zero admirals being able to touch wano or is it just bias?

He still hasn´t visited Wano, even though Kaido has been dead for weeks. Gaban is retired and has kids now. He just said he would like to go again. Any sort of power scaling interpretation from that doesn´t make sense
Also, to be clear, my issue isn´t with Kaido inherently. Yes, it´s a broader problem that villains in OP suck(which is the point of my thread, the top Pirate villain doesn´t compare to the top pirate good guy). But the WG isn´t really in a position where they need to take Wano, vs Kaido having goals outside of the country

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Crocodile saying Whitebeard was pathetic isn't a valid counterargument since this was after he got stabbed and after his sickness became apparent to everyone.
Every time they hyped Whitebeard as the strongest, it was prior to the stab and prior to them realizing he had gotten old, rusty and sick.
His title remains true- It's just that it refers to a version of him that was younger and healthier than he was at Marineford.
There's a reason Whitebeard literally said that he can't remain the strongest forever. That implies that he WAS the strongest, some time ago, but ISN'T ANYMORE.

 

[Levi]

He still hasn´t visited Wano, even though Kaido has been dead for weeks. Gaban is retired and has kids now. He just said he would like to go again.

And I’m saying he could have went again at any time why now? you love giving your own opinion and explanations as facts. The facts are gabban didn’t bother to help oden back then and he now wants to go see wano after the guy who was ruling it is gone but somehow it isn’t connected sure man👍

 

[soupongo]

And I’m saying he could have went again at any time why now? you love giving your own opinion and explanations as facts. The facts are gabban didn’t bother to help oden back then and he now wants to go see wano after the guy who was ruling it is gone but somehow it isn’t connected sure man👍

¨why now¨? Now what? he hasn´t gone back to Wano yet, and doesn´t seem like he´s currently planning on going to Wano. Wano was one of the many places the Roger pirates visited in their decades long adventure. Gaban didn´t help Oden back then, because the Roger pirates wanted to go find the OP after reading the Wano RP, and then the crew disbanded. Oden never contacted him afterwards....

 

[Djordje]

Lol, how many top tiers did Whitebeard defeat?
Or Roger?
Or Mihawk?
Hell even your precious Admirals only have a track record of beating one top tier, and that top tier is also an Admiral lmfao

It's not about which top tier he defeated but how many times Oda himself did throw shade on his reputation.

- Whitebeard was never about to lose against yonko commander like Kaido was against Oden .

- Whitebeard never set his mind on something only to be stopped by Shanks. Tell me how this in anyway gives Kaido positive points for his reputation ?

- Whitebeard while confirmed old and sick still manages to overpower legit top tier in Akainu with 2 hits, meanwhile Kaido in prime gets stalled by Yamato who is at best YC1 +

- Hanafuda as stated clashed with Kaido and was his rival , then he gets defeated by Ace .Should I remind you that old Whitebeard was literally one shooting Ace ?

- Oda hypes Kaido durability and mentions how executioner weapons broke yet we saw what happens when someone like Oden or Zoro swings his swords at him. It's pretty clear those type of statements are only related to fodder characters and mean shit to top tier level characters.

- You all mention how Kaido has best feats but I am asking you against who are those feats performed aside from Luffy ? Kid , Killer , 9 scabbards, Yamato ; well Shanks one shot Kid and Killer and even Greenbull quickly overpowered and captured with his vines 5 scabbards and Yamato , he quickly overpowered weakened King and Queen at same time . Only proper fighter there was Luffy and Kizaru demonstrated fighting Luffy ain't that much of a big deal throwing shade on Kaido performance against Luffy.

- Whitebeard was never thrown to the ground by opponent , Kaido was eating dust by Oden , 9 scabbard , Kid slam and many times by Luffy.

- Even Big Mom when talking about giants army separates Whitebeard from Kaido and Shanks .

- Whitebeard is said to choose to sit below the throne instead on it , he was called king of the seas after Roger passing and entire era was called Whitebeard era once by Shiki and couple times in Marineford arc, meanwhile Kaido needs alliance with Big mom for one piece.

Whitebeard reputation and status was never put into question or downplayed by anyone , meanwhile Kaido reputation is downplayed by Oda himself with many events that throw shade on statements he gave to Kaido before.

 

[NotHereForSpoilers]

Kaido wasn’t treated like whitebeard because he’s not whitebeard

People stronger than Kaido will appear in the story and that’s just reality

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's not about which top tier he defeated but how many times Oda himself did throw shade on his reputation.

- Whitebeard was never about to lose against yonko commander like Kaido was against Oden .

- Whitebeard never set his mind on something only to be stopped by Shanks. Tell me how this in anyway gives Kaido positive points for his reputation ?

- Whitebeard while confirmed old and sick still manages to overpower legit top tier in Akainu with 2 hits, meanwhile Kaido in prime gets stalled by Yamato who is at best YC1 +

- Hanafuda as stated clashed with Kaido and was his rival , then he gets defeated by Ace .Should I remind you that old Whitebeard was literally one shooting Ace ?

- Oda hypes Kaido durability and mentions how executioner weapons broke yet we saw what happens when someone like Oden or Zoro swings his swords at him. It's pretty clear those type of statements are only related to fodder characters and mean shit to top tier level characters.

- You all mention how Kaido has best feats but I am asking you against who are those feats performed aside from Luffy ? Kid , Killer , 9 scabbards, Yamato ; well Shanks one shot Kid and Killer and even Greenbull quickly overpowered and captured with his vines 5 scabbards and Yamato , he quickly overpowered weakened King and Queen at same time . Only proper fighter there was Luffy and Kizaru demonstrated fighting Luffy ain't that much of a big deal throwing shade on Kaido performance against Luffy.

- Whitebeard was never thrown to the ground by opponent , Kaido was eating dust by Oden , 9 scabbard , Kid slam and many times by Luffy.

- Even Big Mom when talking about giants army separates Whitebeard from Kaido and Shanks .

- Whitebeard is said to choose to sit below the throne instead on it , he was called king of the seas after Roger passing and entire era was called Whitebeard era once by Shiki and couple times in Marineford arc, meanwhile Kaido needs alliance with Big mom for one piece.

Whitebeard reputation and status was never put into question or downplayed by anyone , meanwhile Kaido reputation is downplayed by Oda himself with many events that throw shade on statements he gave to Kaido before.

I'm gonna address all of this later on since I don't have the energy rn, but I wanted to point out this specific line:

Kaido was eating dust by Oden

Because this is literally what happened to Aramaki, but even worse since he was biting the curb from a slightly weaker character (Yamato).

 

[Djordje]

I'm gonna address all of this later on since I don't have the energy rn, but I wanted to point out this specific line:

Because this is literally what happened to Aramaki, but even worse since he was biting the curb from a slightly weaker character (Yamato).

Aramaki has no reputation and statements Kaido had, so nothing to downplay there.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Aramaki has no reputation and statements Kaido had, so nothing to downplay there.

"Aramaki has no reputation" dog he's an entire admiral

 

[Djordje]

"Aramaki has no reputation" dog he's an entire admiral

He does not have statements of being 1 vs 1 king and wsc no one cares if Aramaki shows bad feats because he is never called the strongest. But it sad how your only reply is trying to downgrade the admiral in a post related to Whitebeard and Kaido entirely.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

He does not have statements of being 1 vs 1 king and wsc no one cares if Aramaki shows bad feats because he is never called the strongest. But it sad how your only reply is trying to downgrade the admiral in a post related to Whitebeard and Kaido entirely.

Aramaki is not even considered the strongest in his own organization, he already fall below Akainu and I'm pretty sure the average fan also put Kizaru and Fujitora above him.

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

Prime WB would mid diff akainu. Let's be real. Akainu only matched sick dying old WB.

Bro wrote a fanfiction lmao 😂, he isn't even consistant in his arguments.

 

[MagellanHydra]

Killer "we are aganst the strongest pirate"

That got already changed as we know both Kidd and Killer didnt fought Shanks Pre-Wano.

 

[soupongo]

Kaido wasn’t treated like whitebeard because he’s not whitebeard

People stronger than Kaido will appear in the story and that’s just reality

I´ll be shocked if any villain gets a similar portrayal to WB except at the literal EOS

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I'm gonna address all of this later on since I don't have the energy rn, but I wanted to point out this specific line:

Because this is literally what happened to Aramaki, but even worse since he was biting the curb from a slightly weaker character (Yamato).

Another ¨evil character¨ lol. Fujitora didn´t really deal with that. As a good guy he stopped the villain of the arc from killing Law, and it was implied Doffy couldn´t beat him and had to go along with his plans, but he was underminded by the bird cage at the same time, so idk

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Legit every characters refused to fight Kaidou and avoided wano.
That alone explains everything lmao

 

[soupongo]

Legit every characters refused to fight Kaidou and avoided wano.
That alone explains everything lmao

Wano was never a popular tourist destination or anything. No one refused to fight him when he left his home base