Powers & Abilities Keeping up with the King of Hell - Sisyphean Task [Luffybros edition]

[U c 4 up da idly]

Luffy isn't the only one to have lost someone close Zoro lost kuina his best friend and rival that was just as important to him as Ace was for Luffy at much younger age too. How did Zoro react to that

While Luffy was totally broken after the death of Ace throwing away his dream and everything now tell me who has stronger willpower

 

[Sasparan]

I have to say that even Toxic Luffy fans are the fanbase i hate the most but this time they are right. We have to give Luffy his credit.

I mean look all the damaji Luffy is doing.

 

[Monet]

nik san they will not get it until wano end .

luffy will defeat kaidou 1 on 1 or whatever they want
oda will give his mc this win

but a defeat is nothing to kaidou
it's not the end for him as any aother villain

there's a reason why oda stated kaidou defeats not his victories in his intro.


7 defeats really doesn't hype him as invincible.
it hype him him as all those 7 defeats didn't kill him .

captured 18 times ?!

 

[KiriNigiri]

Not touching this topic on who is stronger with a ten foot pole. However, it is important to recognize Luffy and Zoro, while tenacious and determined, are very different kinds of combatants. Luffy is more free-style. He's closer to a street brawler who uses his ingenuity and quick thinking in a fight. This also makes him fairly experimental, so he'll have more moments of "gaff," but that's due to his nature than combat abilities.

Zoro is a trained and formal fighter. He is far more reserved and cautious during a battle, not making unnecessary moves and planning his next course of action while he assess his opponent. This also makes him a more rigid fighter than Luffy, but that's because he'll instinctively defer to his training over anything else.

 

[Guiding_Thunder]

This amount of copium can't be healthy, my dear Zorotards, take a break because the Luffy hype-train has just begun and I doubt you'll handle it.

 

[Malio]

10/10 thread.

Zoro always has and always will do better against his opponents compared to luffy, without the added benefit of his enemy getting distracted, him getting 2nd chances or going on a toilet/doughnut break.

Tag me next time por for boar

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

Even though i believe that Luffy is undoubtedly stronger than Zoro it's true that Luffy always fake damaged Kaido then it's revealed that he actually didn't do that much damage.

I have Zoro's attacks above that of Luffy anyways but i just don't see Zoro going back and forth with a serious Hybrid Kaido in close combat.

why Zoro would need that bro where swordman Oden nearly two shots Kaido

 

[nik87]

not only is this statement wrong, Oda directly addressed it in the manga in one of the first arcs.

Luffy: I can't use a sword, cook, or tell lies
Arlong: you are worthless, why do you deserve to be captain? Just what can you do?
Luffy: I can beat you

Zoro can't beat opponents that are far stronger than him like Luffy can. He simply doesn't have the willpower. Luffy gets defeated multiple times each arc and finds the strength to keep fighting regardless. Zoro got beat once and cried like a bitch.

How to fail at reading One Piece 101 by MDT.
I have literally listed you facts how Zoro does it all better than Luffy and you cant process the information because it is not compatible with Luffybros agenda.

MDT channeling his inner Lik to bait Zoro fans in Lik's (GOATed) bait thread

You misunderstood the point of my thread, it is not a bait whatsoever but hard facts pointing out flaws in Luffybros arguments and how they get hyped over and over again over nothing special. Claiming that only Luffy can 1vs1 Kaido without realising he can keep up thanks to aCoC and also not realizing that Zoro has the same aCoC, not that Zoro ever needed it to beat Kaido...

WSS≠Greatest warrior ever.

Zoro = the strongest ever.

Threads like these made me lose hope for the survival of humanity.

Truth has always threatened the survival of humanity.

 

[Malio]

From a fandom wars perspective, Zoro fans are everybody's enemy. Luffy fans and Sanji fans want to downplay Zoro for their own reasons, and the same even goes for Kid fans and Law fans.

It's eerily similar to how sports fans hate the fandoms of teams that are seen as the big dog, like the Yankees, the Patriots, Liverpool, etc

Snuck in Liverpool huh

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Mr 1 post ts bounty
Wheres the panel or chapter where they update it
Mr 1 bounty was frozen as well

You are mistaken. All Barouqe works agents bounties were not frozen due to the fact that they aka the agents and the gov had no idea that they work for Crocodile. They have only realized this after Alabasta.

 

[Date]

Copium overdose can be fatal my friend, be carefull

 

[JoNdule]

Oda said this year to be focused on Luffy

Imagine the salt when Luffy starts getting insane feats soon singe this chapter is just run teaser and yet zoro fans are on suicide mode

 

[nik87]

Oda said this year to be focused on Luffy

Imagine the salt when Luffy starts getting insane feats soon singe this chapter is just run teaser and yet zoro fans are on suicide mode

Do you think he would have the need to say "please look at MC" in sources outside of the manga if Luffy was doing good in the manga?

 

[JoNdule]

Do you think he would have the need to say "please look at MC" in sources outside of the manga if Luffy was doing good in the manga?

It's a shame the story is about pirates not swordmen

You want Zoro to be that great above Luffy and Yonko? Read some Samurai manga not OP

 

[nik87]

It's a shame the story is about pirates not swordmen

You want Zoro to be that great above Luffy and Yonko? Read some Samurai manga not OP

What if swordsmen are pirates?

 

[Strawhats Bible]

It's going to be fun revisiting this thread later this year.
Such delusion which these amount of people buying it is hard to see

 

[mly90]

It's a shame the story is about pirates not swordmen

You want Zoro to be that great above Luffy and Yonko? Read some Samurai manga not OP

Pirate King himself was a swordsman though carrying a supreme grade sword how do we erase that part from the story so Zoro doesn't surpass him

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Luffy isn't the only one to have lost someone close Zoro lost kuina his best friend and rival that was just as important to him as Ace was for Luffy at much younger age too. How did Zoro react to that

While Luffy was totally broken after the death of Ace throwing away his dream and everything now tell me who has stronger willpower

deadass if a normal person went through what Luffy did in marineford they would actually get PTSD. It’s not the same.

imagine giving everything and then some to save your brother. Literally going to hell and back and fighting in a war. And he gets brutally murdered right before your eyes trying to save your life.

zoro’s friend had a normal accident and died

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Not getting into who deserves to be captain or Luffy vs Zoro.

Zoro also recovered his resolve faster and by himself - when he told Mihawk that Death is better than Defeat and when he made that promise to never lose again. While Luffy needed Jinbe to beat that into him.

Comparing Zoro vs Mihawk to Ace's death is a ridiculous comparison. Yes, these were situations where Luffy and Zoro lost their resolve. But one of them was just a plain ordinary loss and one of them was legitimately a traumatic experience.

Remember Luffy vs Crocodile? Remember how Crocodile beat Luffy multiple times, but he still got up to keep on fighting? That is an appropriate comparison to Zoro vs Mihawk. Just like Zoro, Luffy lost to someone who was much stronger than him. The only difference is that while losing literally broke zoro, Luffy didn't care.

 

[mly90]

deadass if a normal person went through what Luffy did in marineford they would actually get PTSD. It’s not the same.

imagine giving everything and then some to save your brother. Literally going to hell and back and fighting in a war. And he gets brutally murdered right before your eyes trying to save your life.

zoro’s friend had a normal accident and died

So context suddenly matters now lol i was applying your same logic you don't need to tell me how much Ace meant for Luffy and what he went through to save him, likewise Zoro losing his best friend and rival was just as painful for him like i said earlier doesn't matter how she died

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I'm mostly responding to @Monkey D Theories who was mocking Zoro calling him a bitch for crying against Mihawk.

instead of getting offended actually read my conversation

Nik was trying to argue that Zoro does everything 100 times better than Luffy. I pointed out that the manga directly contradicts this because Oda addressed why Luffy deserves to be captain in Luffy vs Arlong. The reason Luffy deserves to be captain is because he is the only one with the willpower to beat the main antagonist(when the MA is a serious villain at least).

The databooks and whiskey peak portrayal have shown that Luffy and Zoro are(or at least were) comparable in strength. Yet Luffy fights opponents far stronger than him and Zoro doesn't. The obvious reason for this is that Zoro doesn't have the willpower to fight these opponents. We directly see this in Zoro vs Mihawk, where all it took was 1 loss to break zoro and make him cry. Meanwhile against crocodile, Luffy lost multiple times without his will breaking.

I'm not being "anti-zoro" by admitting there is one thing that Luffy is better at than Zoro. Every SH is the best in their own ways. Zoro has better endurance and lethality than Luffy. Luffy has stronger willpower. He literally needs to as the pirate king has to be the strongest conqueror.