Why is something as simple as claiming Luffy>Zoro indicative that you are a "Luffybro"
Some opinions are just objectively true. Zoro>Sanji is one of them. Claiming Zoro is stronger than Sanji doesn't make you a "Zorotard". Why? Because the manga practically spells it out for you.
Similarly, when Luffy is 1v1ing kaido and Zoro 1v1ed King, why is claiming Luffy>Zoro indicative of any sort of favoritism or bias? Because mind you, most people who argue Luffy>Zoro are not self proclaimed Luffy fans. However, almost all of the people who claim the reverse, that Zoro>Luffy, are self proclaimed zoro fans.
The problem with objectivity of "Luffy > Zoro" is that we have both Luffy and Zoro wondering who is stronger between them, we have seen in chapter 1000 to 1010 Zoros feats were better than Luffys before he even unlocked CoC, Zoro is able to low diff Kaidos YC1 and Luffy is now fighting weakened Kaido and he still hadn't won, data books have claimed "Zoro = Luffy".
Zoro vs Luffy is nothing like Zoro vs Sanji because Sanji was never shown to be equal to Zoro nor close to him.
Seems like you have triggered a bunch of people effortlessly and made them insecure
Psychologically easiest way to trigger people is to speak the truth they don't want to hear @nik87
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The problem with objectivity of "Luffy > Zoro" is that we have both Luffy and Zoro wondering who is stronger between them, we have seen in chapter 1000 to 1010 Zoros feats were better than Luffys before he even unlocked CoC, Zoro is able to low diff Kaidos YC1 and Luffy is now fighting weakened Kaido and he still hadn't won, data books have claimed "Zoro = Luffy".
Zoro vs Luffy is nothing like Zoro vs Sanji because Sanji was never shown to be equal to Zoro nor close to him.
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@nik87 I am tempted to make a reddit account just to copy and paste your thread over there
Right off the bat, this is a Zoro wank thread, strictly factual!
This is my second to last Zoro wank thread in Wano, the last one coming after the arc wraps up. Looking forward to it.
It doesn't take much for Luffybros and the entire fandom to go nuts and forget how crazy powerful Zoro is. Recency bias is strong in this one...
Telling Luffybros that their hype train is unjustified makes me feel like Moe-chan who made it his life's mission to balance out Zoro's "overhype"...
But unlike in Moe-chan's case, my preaching bore fruit while Moe-chan's had the opposite result. Either way, feels like:
Anyway, back to the King of Hell and the fool's errand that is the effort of trying to keep up with Zoro. It is simply impossible and you are about to see why.
Usually, it is Sanji fandom that wishes their favorite to be like Zoro but when you look closer, Luffybros are guilty of it more than Sanjibros.
Whatever Zoro has achieved, they have automatically attached it to their boy despite being proven wrong countless times.
And since Luffy's fights are always scheduled after Zoro's fights, recency bias kicks in and as soon as their favorite takes a breath, they lose it...
Luffybros, how do you expect to keep up with someone as ridiculously powerful as Zoro who holds the best feats in the world?
How can you expect the most ineffective fighter(Luffy) in the world to be comparable to the most effective fighter(Zoro)?
We have all seen how Luffy performs in post-TS. Whether it is Hody Jones, Fujitora, Yonko commanders, Yonkos themselves, Zoro clowns Luffy's performance.
Zoro neg diffed Hody in his element, underwater, while Luffy almost died trying to beat him inside air bubble on Noah where Hody isnt in his element...
Against Fujitora, Zoro had equal portrayal on 2 separate occasions and took over after Fujitora negged Luffy with first named attack...
Against Yonko commanders, Luffy humiliated himself by being unable to score a convincing victory after 11 hours of fight despite having help in both fights.
Cracker completely neutralized everything he had to offer and without Nami and Seducing Woods, Luffy would have died... Nami had to soften the biscuits so Luffy can eat them and Cracker had to jump into his stomach to be sent flying otherwise Luffy accomplished nothing, not even a single hit landed on Cracker...
That Luffy was considered stronger than Zoro by Luffybros.
Then comes Katakuri where Luffy again needs 11 hours of fighting and help from Katakuri himself as well as Brulee who saves him in the most critical moment of the fight except the one where Katakuri decided to stab himself to help Luffy... Katakuri also had to leave the fight once for a donut break so Luffy could stay alive while buried under mochi, instead of staying there and skewering him with a trident while he cannot move... The fight ends with Luffy collapsing first and then waking up to Katakuri deciding to fall because during the fight, Luffy won him over to his side and Katakuri became a cheerleader...
Luffybros on the hype train, flying higher than ever, claiming their boy is now untouchable and that he surpassed the commanders, Wano arrives and a wake-up call happens. Kaido neg diffs Luffy's consciousness and all the hype out of the train that Luffybros boarded. The great depression sets in. Luffybros looking for crumbs to put their ego back together, ride the hype of Udon training and ID CoA, saying the same thing their favorite says - Just you wait Kaido... Their eyes set on Kaido, once again claiming that Zoro is nothing compared to Luffy...
The unthinkable happens! Zoro arrived at the rooftop!!! Luffybros felt uneasiness because the stupid Zorotards were right, Zoro will fight Kaido! However, they still have hope because Killer, Kidd and Law are there too and "Luffy is so much better than them" so he is better than Zoro as well. Or so they thought... The peak of desperation kicks in when Luffy ran out of haki during a fruitless effort against Kaido in his strongest gear and Zoro had to cut Kaido up to get Luffy out of Kaido's jaws... Crying and blaming Oda, not believing what their eyes see, that a mere underling is besting Kaido at every encounter they have and remembering Luffy's first encounter with Kaido that brought them down out of the clouds...
How do you plan to compete with a warrior while you stan a survivor? Luffy doesnt have the greatest warrior soul, Zoro does. Luffy is not a good combatant, Zoro is. Every Strawhat member is the best at their job in the whole world so Luffy cannot be better than Zoro at Zoro's job - fighting. In childhood, Luffy was trying to survive in the jungle while Zoro was fighting grown up swordsmen. During time skip, Luffy again is doodling around in a jungle while Zoro is facing one of the two World's Strongest people. Luffybros conclude that Luffy is stronger, over and over, despite all the failures that keep happening right in front of their eyes...
Luffy is not the one who brought the national treasure Shusui back into Wano, symbolizing the end of dark days. Zoro did. Hyogoro and Kawamatsu didnt say that it must be fate that Luffy is one-eyed Samurai just like their Sword God. They said it about Zoro. The mighty samurai stronger than Oden is not Luffy, it is Zoro. All the plot points in Wano dont revolve around Luffy, they revolve around Zoro. Luffy cant become a sword god, Zoro can. Luffy cant forge a black blade, Zoro can.
Zoro negs Hody, Luffy struggles with Hody after Zoro negged him:
Zoro standing on equal ground with Fujitora while Fujitora negs Luffy:
Zoro's overwhelming victory vs commander while Luffy fails to acheive the same, twice, vs far weaker commanders:
How Zoro's first encounter with Kaido ends compared to how Luffy's first, second, third and fourth encounter ended:
How the warrior faces Hakai compared to how survivor faces Hakai:
If Zoro clowns Luffy at facing Hody, facing Fujitora, facing commanders, facing Kaido and facing Hakai on top of everything else, how can you still be delusional that Luffy is better than Zoro at anything, at any point in time? I know Luffybros are clueless when it comes OP combat but I dont know how yall manage to pull that off for years and years...
What delusional Luffybros do since chapter 923:
Look at the damaji he is doing!!!
Look at the damaji he is doing!!!
Look at the damaji he is doing!!!
Look at the damaji he is doing!!!
Look at the damaji he is doing!!!
Look at the damaji he is doing!!!
How many times have y'all been clowned during Wano alone for riding empty hype? 4-5 times already? And you still didnt learn? Are you capable of learning?
How much water has to flow by for you to understand something as basic as there is no competing with Zoro?
Making ridiculous claims as base Luffy equal to Kaido, base Luffy is top tier, Luffy this, Luffy that, only ends up backfiring because none of those claims have the slightest amount of logic in them. If base Luffy is all that you claim, why will he need gears? You keep digging your own grave... If he is stronger than Kaido in G4, why will he need Awakening? Why will he need any of the future power-ups if what you claim is true? Maybe because what you claim isnt true? Maybe because Luffy is still not a top tier with everything that he has? Maybe because even with future power-ups he will still struggle with top tiers who are weaker than Kaido, without 15 people helping him as they did against Kaido?
Riding the hype of sky split? Another gravedigger. What about all his hits after that which didnt split the sky?
Riding the hype of knocking Kaido off of his feet? Another gravedigger. What about all the hits that didnt knock him off of his feet?
Have you asked yourselves why is Kaido standing up from everything that Luffy throws at him?
Have you wondered what is the thing that he wont stand up from?
How do you picture the failure of a combatant that is Luffy to compete with the monster that is Zoro?
How do you beat the performance that is cutting through a large magma dragon, a Hardened sword and a Lunarian who is buffed by an Ancient Zoan, all at the same time while blitzing him from a large distance, in mid-air of all things and all of that under 15 freaking minutes?
What does it take for you to understand that all those hits that Luffy delivered to Kaido, combined, will be beaten by one slash from Zoro?
Why does it take so little for you all to go delusional?
You picked the wrong guy to bet against, especially in this arc, never forget that.
The days of joking around are over, you are chasing Zoro's feats and you will never catch up! :cheers:
Wont stop you from going delusional again when 2x hits Zoro or when Luffy goes G4 and you once again say the same:
The last Zoro wank thread, in the Wano edition, will be a summary and far longer than this one, prepare yourselves!
Yeah I now believe unless something is blatantly obvious like Monet < Zoro, a lot of One Piece power scaling is up to interpretation.
Oda has left it open ended enough and I don't think Luffy > Zoro should be treated as fanboyism but neither should Zoro > Luffy.
Right now Luffy probably has an edge due to Zoro having some sort of a time limit but Zoro has unbreakable will and he always pushes through and finds a way to win until his body gives out or he is simply too out of the range of opponent like Kuma but how strong Zoro has gotten there is no opponent out of Zoros range.
Luffy can win more times than not by playing smart enough to outlast Zoro but Zoro can also finish a fight in one or two top end attacks
I feel like @nik87 's argument that there's absolutely nothing Zoro does that Luffy can do better edges on fanboyism. The databooks confirm that Luffy is comparable in strength to Zoro, and yet Luffy always fights opponents FAR stronger than him, whereas Zoro just doesn't.
Oda outright confirmed this point in arlong park.
Arlong: you are useless, why do you deserve to be captain? What can you do?
Luffy: I can defeat you
And in almost every major arc since, the conflict boils down to everyone having faith that Luffy can beat the main antagonist of the arc.
The databooks confirm that Luffy is comparable in strength to Zoro, and yet Luffy always fights opponents FAR stronger than him, whereas Zoro just doesn't.
The databooks say that Luffy's strength is comparable to Zoro's but actual performance speaks an entirely different story.
Zoro's combat performance is far better than Luffy's.
Zoro negs Hody, which Luffy fails to do.
Zoro holds his own against Admiral, which Luffy fails to do.
Doffy gets protection from Admiral when Zoro goes after him, he doesnt get the same protection when Luffy goes after him.
Zoro doesnt need 11 hours to beat the right hand of a Yonko, Luffy needs it vs both right hand and 4th strongest...
Zoro doesnt get negged by Kaido or even two Emperors combined, Luffy gets negged just by one Yonko alone...
Luffy's performance being better than Zoro's has always been an illusion and I have been saying it for a long time.
I feel like @nik87 's argument that there's absolutely nothing Zoro does that Luffy can do better edges on fanboyism. The databooks confirm that Luffy is comparable in strength to Zoro, and yet Luffy always fights opponents FAR stronger than him, whereas Zoro just doesn't.
Oda outright confirmed this point in arlong park.
Arlong: you are useless, why do you deserve to be captain? What can you do?
Luffy: I can defeat you
And in almost every major arc since, the conflict boils down to everyone having faith that Luffy can beat the main antagonist of the arc.
But like Zoro could beat Arlong in Arlong Park even easier than Luffy due to him being a swordsman and Arlong having lethality which is Luffys weakness
He could have Defeated Lucci
He could have 100% defeated Doffy in Dressrosa
And he can at least defeat weakened Kaido
Don't believe so
Zoros CoA is stronger
His Conqueror's seems stronger but it should be comparable since AP
Zoro has better speeds in every stat unless Luffy is snakeman where their max attack speeds are compared
Zoro has far greater endurance
Zoro is more lethal
Has more range with his attacks
More durable
Don't believe so
Zoros CoA is stronger
His Conqueror's seems stronger but it should be comparable since AP
Zoro has better speeds in every stat unless Luffy is snakeman where their max attack speeds are compared
Zoro has far greater endurance
Zoro is more lethal
Has more range with his attacks
More durable
I disagree with you, but it's ok. You could bring facts that prove you are right and I could do the opposite, but we probably won't change our mind so is no point to do so 😌
I disagree with you, but it's ok. You could bring facts that prove you are right and I could do the opposite, but we probably won't change our mind so is no point to do so 😌
I agree Luffy is overall stronger but I think they are closer in most stats than you would probably think
Zoro has more AP, Luffy has the clear advantage in speed and CoO
I think in terms of physical durability, endurance, CoA and CoC they should be fairly comparable - although Luffy is rubber almost every attack he takes will be infused with CoA
Tbh I think people forget how enduring Zoro is and only call him a glass cannon because of how durable the exoskeleton made Sanji.
I have been waiting years for any Luffy fan to bring evidence that Luffy does vs Hody, Fujitora, commanders, Yonkos and so on, better than Zoro and I am still waiting. Luffy's and Zoro's reaction to Hakai is all you need to know about who is the real deal. 😌
I have been waiting years for any Luffy fan to bring evidence that Luffy does vs Hody, Fujitora, commanders, Yonkos and so on, better than Zoro and I am still waiting. Luffy's and Zoro's reaction to Hakai is all you need to know about who is the real deal. 😌
For a while I thought Oda would make each member of the monster trio proficient in each Haki type, but after giving Luffy better Coo than Sanji's I guess that even if Zoro has better Coa now, he won't. Sooner or later Oda will make Luffy the strongest in every way. I guess that he doesn't know how to make look COC really useful
Luffy can't defeat King, unless he has a babysitter helping by throwing water on King's flames. Even then, the fight would last 10+ hours. Obviously, he can't defeat Kaido either, which is why the Grandmaster will have to do it for him.
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The coping from the salty Zoro boys after their boy had to settle for King is hilarious.
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