Powers & Abilities Keeping up with the King of Hell - Sisyphean Task [Luffybros edition]

Is Kaido going to trash Luffy again?

  • Of course he will.

  • No, look at the damaji Luffy is doing!!!


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Well, praying that he doesnt wake up is the best because if he does, judging on performance vs Hody, Fujitora, commanders, Yonkos, Hakai and so on, Luffy will look like 3rd class fighter compared to Zoro.
Both Zoro and Sanji should wake up soon imo, but their job is fodder cleaning and whatever else comes their way, but Kaido is set in stone to soon fall by Luffy.
 
It's worse because Zoro needs Enma to pull out an excessive amount of CoA, just so he can compete with a Yonko Commander. And he can only do it for a minute, and it almost kills him. Then he needs AdCoC on Top of it, just to defeat a Yonko Commander.

Luffy didn't need Ryou, or AdCoC to compete with, or defeat a Yonko Commander. :usoprice:
For them they think it makes zoro look great lol

Imagine having ryuo + enma yet struggle to win then got AdCoC to win easily
While Luffy didn't need top haki or magical weapon to beat Cracker or Doffy.

"Zoro too strong"
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
It's worse because Zoro needs Enma to pull out an excessive amount of CoA, just so he can compete with a Yonko Commander. And he can only do it for a minute, and it almost kills him. Then he needs AdCoC on Top of it, just to defeat a Yonko Commander.

Luffy didn't need Ryou, or AdCoC to compete with, or defeat a Yonko Commander. :usoprice:
No he didnt need enma for that. Can you even read ? He chose to release all his haki to use enma like that. And he beat a commander in minutes after doing that.
Luffy needed help and multiple goes to beat a far weaker Commander then got negged by base kaido.
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For them they think it makes zoro look great lol

Imagine having ryuo + enma yet struggle to win then got AdCoC to win easily
While Luffy didn't need top haki or magical weapon to beat Cracker or Doffy.

"Zoro too strong"
Which one of doffy or Cracker (both of which luffy won cause of help) can no sell attacks that cut kaido ?
 
But like Zoro could beat Arlong in Arlong Park even easier than Luffy due to him being a swordsman and Arlong having lethality which is Luffys weakness

He could have Defeated Lucci
He could have 100% defeated Doffy in Dressrosa
And he can at least defeat weakened Kaido
Zoro couldn’t beat Arlong because losing to mihawk hurt his ego so much he asked mihawk to slash him across the chest in a suicide attempt. As a result he was crippled during the AP arc.

as for the rest, you can try to make that argument. But again, Zoro has never beaten the main antagonist of a big arc.
 
No he didnt need enma for that. Can you even read ? He chose to release all his haki to use enma like that. And he beat a commander in minutes after doing that.
Luffy needed help and multiple goes to beat a far weaker Commander then got negged by base kaido.
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Which one of doffy or Cracker (both of which luffy won cause of help) can no sell attacks that cut kaido ?
Zoro was about to lose to King in less than 15 minutes despite having Ryou the whole time.

Luffy still lasted 11 hours against two different Yonko Commanders, with no Advanced Haki.

Zoro needed to unlock one of, if not the strongest offensive power in the verse just to defeat King. Plus King became a dumbass, and completely dropped his ultimate defense. Otherwise Zoro would have lost, in less than 15 minutes.

Luffy didn't need that. He competed for 11 hours, became stronger during the fight of his own abilities, and pulled off the win. Luffy didn't need a magical tool to boost his AP to defeat a Yonko Commander.
 
Zoro bois haven’t realized yet that the end of Luffy vs Kaido is near and it’s a matter of few chapters of full focus on them with Luffy winning and still hope Zoro wakes up and go up and have his time against Kaido…. They never learn I guess.
Thats not how it will happen lol
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Both Zoro and Sanji should wake up soon imo, but their job is fodder cleaning and whatever else comes their way, but Kaido is set in stone to soon fall by Luffy.
This take needs to be revisited in 6 months time
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Zoro was about to lose to King in less than 15 minutes despite having Ryou the whole time.

Luffy still lasted 11 hours against two different Yonko Commanders, with no Advanced Haki.

Zoro needed to unlock one of, if not the strongest offensive power in the verse just to defeat King. Plus King became a dumbass, and completely dropped his ultimate defense. Otherwise Zoro would have lost, in less than 15 minutes.

Luffy didn't need that. He competed for 11 hours, became stronger during the fight of his own abilities, and pulled off the win. Luffy didn't need a magical tool to boost his AP to defeat a Yonko Commander.
Luffy have significant help in that 2 yc fight lol
 
For a while I thought Oda would make each member of the monster trio proficient in each Haki type, but after giving Luffy better Coo than Sanji's I guess that even if Zoro has better Coa now, he won't. Sooner or later Oda will make Luffy the strongest in every way. I guess that he doesn't know how to make look COC really useful
Sanji is not a factor because he isn't primarily a fighter, you could even argue Zoro has better CoO than Sanji, Zoro currently has much better CoO feats than Sanji.

But despite CoC being Luffys specialty Oda gave Zoro the most hyped up version of CoC so far and Zoro has shown more diversity and potency with that CoC than Luffy.

Zoros control of Ryou, giving Enma as much Ryou as he wants to and pulling out forceful Ryou, having Ryou strong enough to satisfy Enma shows me greater Mastery than just internal destruction.

Zoros Raw CoA strength is above Luffys too, Zoro with his CoA can create Island sized barriers and block Hakai. He can no sell a mountain sized explosion with CoA..Where as Luffys CoA is broken by Hody Jones teeth and Bellamys CoA and Ultis Headbutt.

Zoro also has shown ability to wound Kaido bad, make Kaido and Big Mom shit their pants and permanently scar Kaido with his CoA.

I think Zoros CoA is a whole different tier than Luffys.
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Zoro couldn’t beat Arlong because losing to mihawk hurt his ego so much he asked mihawk to slash him across the chest in a suicide attempt. As a result he was crippled during the AP arc.

as for the rest, you can try to make that argument. But again, Zoro has never beaten the main antagonist of a big arc.
You are completely misinterpreting manga, somethings are up to interpretation but some have down right context giving us the answer.

Duel between Zoro and Mihawk was a duel to death according to Zoro and Zoro just didn't want final blow to be on his back so he turned around with a Smile on his face and let Mihawk slash him across the chest.

It was the moment that impressed Mihawk the most, he said "admirable" and he himself was pleased and admired and called Zoro strong and called Luffy and Zoro "Great team" because of that.

Zoros soul of a warrior and zero fear at death is what made Mihawk see potential in Zoro and not land a killer blow and come back to defeat him.

Luffy on the other hand fully gave up against Kizaru and told his crew to run. Idk how ego hurting is an argument, difference between himself and Mihawk made Zoro realized how much he has to learned and he promised Luffy to never lose again.

Of course Zoro is still human and sometimes he can't keep that promise like against Enel and Kaido + Big Mom but he keeps going and keeps coming back.

He still hasn't stopped growing.

In Arlong Park slashed Zoro would lose to arlong but Luffy didn't have wound that Zoro had.

Put zoro in same condition as Luffy and zoro mid diffs Arlong
 
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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Zoro was about to lose to King in less than 15 minutes despite having Ryou the whole time.

Luffy still lasted 11 hours against two different Yonko Commanders, with no Advanced Haki.

Zoro needed to unlock one of, if not the strongest offensive power in the verse just to defeat King. Plus King became a dumbass, and completely dropped his ultimate defense. Otherwise Zoro would have lost, in less than 15 minutes.

Luffy didn't need that. He competed for 11 hours, became stronger during the fight of his own abilities, and pulled off the win. Luffy didn't need a magical tool to boost his AP to defeat a Yonko Commander.
Yes luffy beat someone weaker in 11 hours then got negged by base kaido

Zoro has feats vs hybrid kaido and fought King
Attacks that cut kaido did 0 damage to King.
Zoro despite half the fight having issues with enma beat King in minutes.

What's the issue.

The luffy who beat kata if he had a billion hours wouldn't beat King.
 
Yes luffy beat someone weaker in 11 hours then got negged by base kaido

Zoro has feats vs hybrid kaido and fought King
Attacks that cut kaido did 0 damage to King.
Zoro despite half the fight having issues with enma beat King in minutes.

What's the issue.

The luffy who beat kata if he had a billion hours wouldn't beat King.
There isn't a shred of evidence in the entire manga that says Katakuri is weaker than King. That's your own personal headcannon.

Katakuri has CoC, awakening, next level hardening, and Top Tier CoO.

King has......

King has....

King has.... Oh! A ability that makes him more durable, but makes him slower! But if he wants to be faster, he has to stop being durable! Ooooooo what an accomplished portrayal of strength!

Like 20 people have feats against Kaido. Zoro needed to unlock CoC, and use Asura at the same time to compete with Kaido using no Haki, or named attacks for 5 seconds. Zoro gave it his absolute best, and couldn't even knock the guy off his feet. SO AMAZING!

Come @ me when Zoro is trading actual blows with Kaido (or any other Top Tier) when they are using named attacks, and AdCoC. Not some massively weaker subordinate, who was still handing Zoro his ass on a silver platter, with much weaker attacks.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
There isn't a shred of evidence in the entire manga that says Katakuri is weaker than King. That's your own personal headcannon.

Katakuri has CoC, awakening, next level hardening, and Top Tier CoO.

King has......

King has....

King has.... Oh! A ability that makes him more durable, but makes him slower! But if he wants to be faster, he has to stop being durable! Ooooooo what an accomplished portrayal of strength!

Like 20 people have feats against Kaido. Zoro needed to unlock CoC, and use Asura at the same time to compete with Kaido using no Haki, or named attacks for 5 seconds. Zoro gave it his absolute best, and couldn't even knock the guy off his feet. SO AMAZING!

Come @ me when Zoro is trading actual blows with Kaido (or any other Top Tier) when they are using named attacks, and AdCoC. Not some massively weaker subordinate, who was still handing Zoro his ass on a silver platter, with much weaker attacks.
Boundman > stronger than anything kata has
Kaidos scales > boundman does no damage
Tatsumaki > cuts kaidos scales
King's defence > no sells tatsumaki

The levels between the two is immense

Kata ain't doing shit to King.

Without flames he took a haki clad ultra tiger hunt which would one shot kata with no issue
Even without flames he is more durable than kata who was getting fucked by base luffy hits.

Lmfao zoro with a broken body and accidental coc perma scarred kaido a broken weaker zoro than what we have now

Luffy post power up got negged again then needed to rest and recover whilst kaido wasted more stamina and haki against yamato

Even now luffy still can't beat a weakened kaido
 
Katakuri has CoC, awakening, next level hardening, and Top Tier CoO.
Yes but he lost to a Luffy who had no awakening, and objectively worse hardening and CoO. It doesn't make Katakuri look any better.

It seems backwards to me that you can use Zoro needing ACoC to defeat King as a way to shit on Zoro...it should be the opposite. Zoro having ACoC now makes him one of the strongest in the verse and needing it to defeat King just shows how much of a threat King's durability posed, considering how well Zoro did on the rooftop.

I don't understand why we so easily forget what happened on the rooftop. Zoro arguably outperformed everyone until Luffy learned ACoC, which Zoro can now use, even if you think he has more restrictions.

That aside, there are so few reasonable takes in these threads. Half the comments say Zoro is stronger than Luffy and the other half say Zoro is fodder in comparison to Luffy. It's actually baffling
 
Zolo can't touch Luffy lol stop it
ACoC swords? Blocked
Zolo faster than Ling? Luffy evaded Thunder Bagua
FS > snail reaction speed
When has Zoro ever struggled to touch anyone??
When has anyone ever struggled to touch Luffy? Even Ulti can touch Luffy.

Luffy has no feats to block a monster like Zoro, its not Kaido hes fighting, its someone who hits a 100 times harder than kaido.

Plus one serious attack from Zoro lands and Luffy dies.
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Zolo can't touch Luffy lol stop it
ACoC swords? Blocked
Zolo faster than Ling? Luffy evaded Thunder Bagua
FS > snail reaction speed
Zoro evaded an invisible opponent, someone far faster than thunder bagua, Zoro himself is fast enough to blitz Kaido.

If Zoro has snail reaction speed than snail might be fastest thing in One Piece
 
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