General & Others Kid was only "disappointing" because of lazy writing

#1
So if you look at actual feats, Kid objectively wasn't portrayed to be any weaker than Law. In fact you could even argue his portrayal was better. Yet ever since the rooftop, there was this outpour of people who were disappointed by Kid and overall bashed him relentlessly. Why? Because Oda was lazy in his writing.

Oda portrayed Kaido and Linlin to be near invincible to physical damage. He portrayed haki and internal damage as the most effective ways to hurt the two. And then he gave Kid none of these tools and instead had Kid damage the yonko via brute strength alone. On paper, this actually fits quite well with Kid's character, but it was executed horribly. Oda never really developed Kid throughout wano. He was largely sidelined and rarely got the spotlight until act 3, which even then was minimal.

As a result, when Kid does something like slam kaido into the ground, we have no idea how to scale something like that. It could be an absolutely devastating attack or it could be franky level, I don't know. Kaido said it is effective, so we must assume it was. But isn't that kinda shitty storytelling? Mangaka are supposed to show, not tell. But Oda seems too often not have the time to show, so we see him explain things out to the audience all the time. Things that imo a better mangaka wouldn't need to explain.
The best example of this was in 1038 where Kid rams Linlin with his metal bull and some fodder exclaim how the bull was larger than a gigantified big mom. Imo this is the epitome of lazy storytelling. Shouldn't this be something apparent to the reader? We should instinctively be able to see that linlin is gigantified and the bull is larger, but Oda didn't have the time to draw it clearly, so we get an explanation instead.

What Oda should have done was scale Kid's strength against weaker characters before having him fight an emperor. This was so easy to do as he was tortured for like a month by Queen. Why not have him briefly clash against Queen to showcase his strength? Instead of repetitively paralleling Kid's punk rotten form with Luffy's G4 to showcase Kid's strength, why not instead have Kid ragdoll a calamity or even someone like X Drake to showcase exactly how overpowered this is?

Then when Kid uses an even more powerful attack like punk corna dio, fans wouldn't think of Franky's motorcycle, they'd think of how powerful this new attack must be since a weaker attack did so much damage to a strong character.

Anyways I don't want to attack Oda's work ethic because god knows its insane. But the writing itself is lazy and I'm 99% sure this is because of the limitations of weekly serialization which force Oda to cut corners. I think this type of serialization just isn't conducive to quality, but that itself speaks to how great a writer Oda is, for being able to survive this long in such a format.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#2
Anyways I don't want to attack Oda's work ethic because god knows its insane. But the writing itself is lazy and I'm 99% sure this is because of the limitations of weekly serialization which force Oda to cut corners. I think this type of serialization just isn't conducive to quality, but that itself speaks to how great a writer Oda is, for being able to survive this long in such a format.
It's more that Oda has expressed the desire to retire by age 50 on numerous occasions, which will be January 2025. He has repeatedly stated that there are many things we wants to do but can't due to his lack of time. He combined 2 arcs to make PH, 2 arcs to make DR, off panels fights to focus on the story etc. all due to lack of time according to him. One Piece has become way too big to finish in just a few years so Oda's compromising.
 
#3
It's more that Oda has expressed the desire to retire by age 50 on numerous occasions, which will be January 2025. He has repeatedly stated that there are many things we wants to do but can't due to his lack of time. He combined to arcs to make PH, 2 arcs to make DR, off panels fights to focus on the story etc. all due to lack of time according to him. One Piece has become way too big to finish in just a few years so Oda's compromising.
that's definitely it too
maybe Oda would have an easier time if he just wrote and let someone else draw
 
#4
It's more that Oda has expressed the desire to retire by age 50 on numerous occasions, which will be January 2025. He has repeatedly stated that there are many things we wants to do but can't due to his lack of time. He combined to arcs to make PH, 2 arcs to make DR, off panels fights to focus on the story etc. all due to lack of time according to him. One Piece has become way too big to finish in just a few years so Oda's compromising.
That's strange I've seen interviews where he's complaining about the lack of time he has to build on his world building but that still doesn't stop him from adding dozens of side characters every arc.

Oda is weird, the guy left all the mysteries unexplained, 2 yonko's still not explored, Dragon and his crew unexplored, and he still keeps adding more mysteries into the show, it's like he likes making his life hell
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#5
That's strange I've seen interviews where he's complaining about the lack of time he has to build on his world building but that still doesn't stop him from adding dozens of side characters every arc.

Oda is weird, the guy left all the mysteries unexplained, 2 yonko's still not explored, Dragon and his crew unexplored, and he still keeps adding more mysteries into the show, it's like he likes making his life hell
Also @Monkey D Theories

That's because Oda still has a ton of ideas, so many that he has a book for them, and can't stop adding them in on the fly. In an interview just after WCI, Oda said that it was supposed to be a short rescue arc but he kept adding new ideas. He had to cut the arc short because it became too long(which explains why it feels rushed and incomplete at the end).

So Oda's simultaneously speed running the series to meet his desired retirement deadline, and dragging on the series by adding lots of ideas on the fly. Yeah its weird.
 
#6
Also @Monkey D Theories

That's because Oda still has a ton of ideas, so many that he has a book for them, and can't stop adding them in on the fly. In an interview just after WCI, Oda said that it was supposed to be a short rescue arc but he kept adding new ideas. He had to cut the arc short because it became too long(which explains why it feels rushed and incomplete at the end).

So Oda's simultaneously speed running the series to meet his desired retirement deadline, and dragging on the series by adding lots of ideas on the fly. Yeah its weird.
I respect Oda, even if I do shit on him a bit too much. I think that largely comes from me kinda growing out of one piece once I became an adult and wanting OP to be something it wasn't. I accept its a shonen manga serialized weekly and that I shouldn't take it too seriously.

Albeit when everyone complains about something like Kid being disappointing, I can't help but wish Oda dedicated a bit more time so it wouldn't come across this way.
 
#7
People blame Oda and dont really get his intentions. There is too many things happening in Wano that is hard to keep track.

Wano is great. People are just stupid since they want what they dont know what they want lol.

Like I said, finish Wano in 3 chapters and you wont be able, to much plot.
 
#8
People blame Oda and dont really get his intentions. There is too many things happening in Wano that is hard to keep track.

Wano is great. People are just stupid since they want what they dont know what they want lol.

Like I said, finish Wano in 3 chapters and you wont be able, to much plot.
I don't understand your logic here? You start off your argument saying, "People blame Oda" but then you proceed to implicitly highlight the reason why people blame Oda "There is too many things happening in Wano that is hard to keep track" which clearly contradicts your statement because that is Oda who created "too many things" so yes, Oda is to blame because he is the author who created "too many things". No one asked Oda to create "all these things" especially since "all these things" he has created turned out to be unnecessary.
 
#9
I don't understand your logic here? You start off your argument saying, "People blame Oda" but then you proceed to implicitly highlight the reason why people blame Oda "There is too many things happening in Wano that is hard to keep track" which clearly contradicts your statement because that is Oda who created "too many things" so yes, Oda is to blame because he is the author who created "too many things". No one asked Oda to create "all these things" especially since "all these things" he has created turned out to be unnecessary.
Blame Oda for not understanding the things he is showing. Since they cant keep track for all that.

One Piece is not for kids who doesnt think for themselves, Oda doesnt explain everthing and sometimes is even surprised when people really understand the meaning behind many things he shows.

Call it lazy writing, but there is to many things to cover so he will not waist panels explaining things or even showing full fights, he sometime shows people arguing about it as said in the thread.
 
#10
It's more that Oda has expressed the desire to retire by age 50 on numerous occasions, which will be January 2025. He has repeatedly stated that there are many things we wants to do but can't due to his lack of time. He combined 2 arcs to make PH, 2 arcs to make DR, off panels fights to focus on the story etc. all due to lack of time according to him. One Piece has become way too big to finish in just a few years so Oda's compromising.
Or Oda is dumping the story!
 
#13
Blame Oda for not understanding the things he is showing. Since they cant keep track for all that.

One Piece is not for kids who doesnt think for themselves, Oda doesnt explain everthing and sometimes is even surprised when people really understand the meaning behind many things he shows.

Call it lazy writing, but there is to many things to cover so he will not waist panels explaining things or even showing full fights, he sometime shows people arguing about it as said in the thread.
One piece is a shonen

If so many fans weren't understanding how Kid was damaging kaido and big mom, he should have portrayed it better
 
#14
Yes.
Visuals are important but Kid's were pretty lame (either his attacks design, or his attacks visual "feats", for example like's Zoro cutting the horn) and he never got something as a warmup previously either. I too thought he will clash with Queen since he got some beef with him, but was left dissapointed. He didnt even had a resolution for his beef with Apoo. Is like with the hit he made against him all of it it was resolved.

The execution of the arc is awful overall and Kid's "progression" was in line with it.
 
#16
So Oda's simultaneously speed running the series to meet his desired retirement deadline, and dragging on the series by adding lots of ideas on the fly. Yeah its weird.
Or Oda is dumping the story!
More like milking it to the max.

Heard of the term Zombie Simpsons? Everybody's on board and eating. Oda, Shonen Jump, and especially Toei.

- The story takes longer to complete = more marketing.

- The plot gets very simplied = fake hype and miracles.

- Offscreen fights & hype moments = Toei has filler content.

Oda is wasting panel space to show us the same scenes or Yamato running or Momo holding up the island without really adding anything to the story. Then there's moments that could understandably be drawn out that he rushes through like the defeat of the Tobi Ropo or the reaction to Tama giving the order. And re-reading the chapters back to back only make issues like this worse.

All the fights go on too fast and that's one of the problems but that's not the biggest problem. The pacing isn't really that fast, it's just Oda is jamming so much into a single chapter but it doesn't work.

We'll have Yamato, then cut to Zoro, then cut to Sanji, then cut to the samurai, then cut the Beast Pirates commenting on Big Mom vs Law and Kid, then cut to the WG, all of this in like a single chapter. Yeah, the pacing seems fast because he's throwing so much information but that isn't necessarily good.

Instead of just resolving one or two plot points in a single chapter, he keeps them going and only comes back to em to keep us apprised that that they're still ongoing.

Seeing stuff like Yamato run to stop the bombs for however many chapters when it doesn't add anything to the story. I think twice we basically got the same thing of Yamato thinking to herself how badly she needs to stop the bombs and that just seems like wasted panels to me. Like yeah, we get it. The bombs need to be taken care of but come back to her once some actual progress on the situation has been made.

Zombie One Piece.
 
#18
More like milking it to the max.

Heard of the term Zombie Simpsons? Everybody's on board and eating. Oda, Shonen Jump, and especially Toei.

- The story takes longer to complete = more marketing.

- The plot gets very simplied = fake hype and miracles.

- Offscreen fights & hype moments = Toei has filler content.

Oda is wasting panel space to show us the same scenes or Yamato running or Momo holding up the island without really adding anything to the story. Then there's moments that could understandably be drawn out that he rushes through like the defeat of the Tobi Ropo or the reaction to Tama giving the order. And re-reading the chapters back to back only make issues like this worse.

All the fights go on too fast and that's one of the problems but that's not the biggest problem. The pacing isn't really that fast, it's just Oda is jamming so much into a single chapter but it doesn't work.

We'll have Yamato, then cut to Zoro, then cut to Sanji, then cut to the samurai, then cut the Beast Pirates commenting on Big Mom vs Law and Kid, then cut to the WG, all of this in like a single chapter. Yeah, the pacing seems fast because he's throwing so much information but that isn't necessarily good.

Instead of just resolving one or two plot points in a single chapter, he keeps them going and only comes back to em to keep us apprised that that they're still ongoing.

Seeing stuff like Yamato run to stop the bombs for however many chapters when it doesn't add anything to the story. I think twice we basically got the same thing of Yamato thinking to herself how badly she needs to stop the bombs and that just seems like wasted panels to me. Like yeah, we get it. The bombs need to be taken care of but come back to her once some actual progress on the situation has been made.

Zombie One Piece.
actually fuck the bombs plot, it objectively adds nothing to the story since everybody knows the bombs won't go off
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I can't believe Oda would rather show yamato fighting fodder than have linlin use ACoC once on panel against kid and law
 
H

Herrera95

#20
I would say is 50% lazy and 50% false hype.

He hypes villains so much in desperation for them to be interesting that he doesn't follow the logic he puts into them.

Kaido being hyped as immune to normal physical attacks(basic haki included) and turn out to be someone who suffers from Momonosuke's bite, Law's stones, Punk WWE moves...
 
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