That's the reason you put Oukotsu over Ouki, correct?
I did not put Oukotsu > Ouki lol. I put him above Houken because I assume his weight would be enough to win that battle given his incredible fighting hype.
Duke Hyou and Kyou had "weight", but not weight specifically against Houken which is why they lost(I'm speculating).
They both had weight against Houken, but were simply not strong enough to defeat him. Having weight in and of itself does not make you stronger than Houken imo. Ouki was just strong enough that his weight was able to compensate for his lacking in strength vs Houken.
If this were just a strength tier list, no weight involved, I’d have Houken at #1.
Out of curiosity, where do you think Bashuri of Wei, the "God Bow" would rank?
Mighty. I don’t know if I’ve ever clarified this on WorstGen but I love the Ten Bows lol. Kyou En is my favorite Heavenly King and I feel he is very slept on in this fandom in the sense that he just isn’t talked about often enough. He was referred to as an equal to Great Heaven Renpa in the past, and fought against 4 of the Qin 6 and did not lose to any of them so far as we know.
I read your thread on why you believe Hakuki is a fighting general, but I don't believe I've ever seen you post about Shibasaku? Could you link me to it?
I’ve never done a specific post on Shibasaku, but I assume he was quite strong just from Karyo Ten’s clarification that all of the Qin 6 were fighting Generals except for Koshou.
There is a historical story about a conversation that Shibasaku has with King Sho that is quite interesting, and I think he’ll be a strategic type from this story and one of the smarter Kingdom characters.
Where would you place Dumpling Sama, Ranbihaku, Gen'U, Man'U and Sentou'un? Both Man'U and Sentou'un should be in "Mighty" imo, and Gen'U, Ranbihaku, and Dumpling Sama in "Amazing".
Dumpling Sama: Mighty, just above Kyoukai.
Ranbihaku: Amazing, with Kaishibou and Bananji.
Gen’U: Either bottom of Amazing or top of Advanced. Not sure who would come out in top of he fought Danto or Chou Tou.
Man’U: Mighty, just below Gaimou, I’ll give him the benefit over Houken for now lol. I love Man’U for the sole reason that he is a huge counter to the Weight argument. My guy has completely evolved past Weight.
Sento’Un: Either at the Bottom of Mighty or top of Amazing. Not sure if he belongs above Karin yet.
I think you're sleeping on Shin. I'd have him above Ouhon and Kyoukai. I feel his feats so far definitely at least warrant being in the same tier as him. I would also say that he defeats Gyou'un. Additionally, I strongly disagree with putting him in the same tier as Mougou and Rinko. He has come a long way from his fight with Rinko. I honestly feel like it's disrespectful to put Shin in the same tier as some of these guys. I don't know if I'm missing something here, my memory with Kingdom isn't the best but I have trouble seeing how current Shin doesn't straight up mid-diff half of the guys in his tier.
I understand Kyokai (I wouldn't completely agree however with her either) but why Ouhon up there an entire tier over Shin?
Dont have any major problems with your rankings other than the fact that Shin should be bumped up. The tier you've placed him in, most of them would be mid diffed by him imo
Okay, so Shin. Here is the problem:
Shin’s lack of speed with Ouki’s Glaive has been stressed for multiple arcs now. He can swing the Glaive really hard, but it is still to heavy for him to use as comfortably as other top tier Kingdom warriors use their weapons. This was just recently stressed against Gakuhaku Kou but was also highlighted multiple times during the Gyou Campaign.
We know Gyou’Un >= Bananji from their portrayal against Akou (that’s another thing, the gap between my tiers aren’t too big).
So Gyou’Un >= Bananji, and Shin and Gyou’Un had an extended duel where they fought for an entire afternoon, and Shin’s strength was pretty much exhausted from that encounter as he collapsed at the end of the day while Gyou’Un rode off pretty much fine and still in fighting shape. Shin even at one point thought Gyou’Un was straight up stronger than him, and he was only competing with him because of Ouki’s Glaive.
So right off the bat, Shin still had a bit of growing to do after Shukai Plains before he caught up with Gyou’Un, meaning straight up that Shin was probably still beneath Bananji and a fight with Bananji would’ve gone similarly. This is how I see it.
Meanwhile, Ouhon had Bananji completely on the back foot with his spear, literally Bananji could not even swing his Glaive once at Ouhon because Ouhon was pressing him so hard with the spear. This was the moment where Ouhon’s subordinates commented that Ouhon’s spear was essentially Earl Shi level. Sure Bananji ended up pulling his jumping shenanigans but the point is that Ouhon > Bananji straight up, imo.
Then Ouhon and Gyou’Un come up against each other and instantly Ouhon puts his spear through Gyou’Un’s arm,
after Ouhon had already been trapped inside the Raigoku and was forced to defend himself from the Ten Spears of Zhao
and Gyou’Un, which he not only does successfully but also escapes (a tactic that has killed multiple Great Generals). After all of this, Ouhon still puts his spear through Gyou’Un’s arm, which frankly if Gyou’Un wasn’t a goddamn beast who endured the pain and still struck Ouhon afterwards would’ve been enough for Ouhon to completely slay Gyou’Un in one more strike. Ouhon and Gyou’Un have a round 2, Ouhon kills him instantly. The point I’m trying to make is that Ouhon > Gyou’Un straight up as well.
So in Shukai Plains, in martial strength, we have Ouhon > Gyou’Un >= Bananji >= Shin. So, Shin probably got a bit stronger in between arcs, but imo he has not yet surpassed Gyou’Un, but I’ll give him the benefit and say that he is nearly equal to both he and Bananji now. If Shin and Gyou’Un fought again, it would be more of an equal fight and Shin would be able to ride off afterwards instead of collapsing. Ouhon meanwhile, was never below Gyou’Un from the moment he entered Zhao.
Kyoukai is just a bullshit hax machine, I see no argument for Shin winnibg against her lol. This bitch literally was seriously wounding Houken while she herself was wounded and exhausted. A fight between fresh Kyoukai and Houken could go either way really but obviously I gave Houken the benefit. Kyoukai is one of those characters where Hara just went way too far with her
has PTSD flashbacks to Kaishibou’s elite soldiers
Danto did really want to achieve his goal, dude has some serious weight on his shoulders
I can't tell you how happy I am that Ogiko is above Kaine and that guy with weird hair.
