Character Discussion Kizaru turned out to be trash character.

[MonsterKaido]

? I struggle to think of a Shounen author that cares and loves characters on a ranking based on their power level even when they make characters PURELY based on power levels (Like gege and gojo), and of all of them Oda might be the worse pick for that

Thats something you just made up because you value that, not oda.

Characterization is more so subjective. And Kizaru till the end seem to side with WG. He didn't have the will to change sides. That is his character till now.

 

[kekaro]

Characterization is more so subjective. And Kizaru till the end seem to side with WG. He didn't have the will to change sides. That is his character till now.

Its not, they are bad written characters and good written ones, and there is mountain of evidence that Kaido received shody characterization while every review praises Kizarus

This is just made up, its like saying oda likes mihawk more than buggy

 

[MonsterKaido]

Its not, they are bad written characters and good written ones, and there is mountain of evidence that Kaido received shody characterization while every review praises Kizarus

This is just made up, its like saying oda likes mihawk more than buggy

Kuzan and fuji are better than Kaido in terms of character. Akainu I will say was a better villain in MF. GB and Kizaru are not better than Kaido. Kizaru's character was mid. But again I am talking in terms of power level. I don't care if admirals are better characters or not.

 

[kekaro]

Kuzan and fuji are better than Kaido in terms of character. Akainu I will say was a better villain in MF. GB and Kizaru are not better than Kaido. Kizaru's character was mid. But again I am talking in terms of power level. I don't care if admirals are better characters or not.

Yes I know and I'm saying there is multiple statements of oda where he says he likes a character who is clearly weaker than stronger characters. There is no correlation to that, I brought even other mangaka to illustrate that point

Like I'm open to discussing this because an interesting topic character oda likes more but it clearly not at all related to power levels at the slightest. YOU obviously might be enjoy that character more or less but that's another topic

 

[Dragon777]

??? Power wise:
- Oda stated and showed multiple times that an Admiral can't fight properly without lots of collateral damage
- First thing Kizaru did when he got to Egghead was go over 3 things that couldn't be destroyed under any circumstance
- Kizaru wasn't trying to fight Luffy(blatantly said that he doesn't have time to fight as his target was getting away) and slipped away numerous times
- Kizaru kept wavering was caught by surprise numerous times

Character wise:
- His motto is unclear/uncertain justice and he fit the bill perfectly.
- Emphasized numerous times that he didn't want to do the mission, was seen hesitating, closed his eyes when attacking a friend, and stayed down because he completed his mission and was morning his dead friend
- Was laying down after WSG but got up immediately when Bonney and Sento were ordered to be executed, and didn't make another move until ordered by Saturn

Kizaru wasn't a disappointment at all. It's just people who were expecting some final villian bout in a transitional arc.

This.

And for che character-part, we are going to see what his ending will be.

 

[Juanpiz]

? I struggle to think of a Shounen author that cares and loves characters on a ranking based on their power level even when they make characters PURELY based on power levels (Like gege and gojo), and of all of them Oda might be the worse pick for that

Thats something you just made up because you value that, not oda.

Oda loves buggy and Coby who are far away from being top tiers

 

[DarkWitch]

Its not, they are bad written characters and good written ones, and there is mountain of evidence that Kaido received shody characterization while every review praises Kizarus

This is just made up, its like saying oda likes mihawk more than buggy

The fact that Oda barely gave that much focus on Kaido as a character and also as a villain while giving him the most garbage backstory, really shows you much little he cared for Kaido.

Only reason why Oda gave more focus to Kaido as a fighter was because he was Luffy's main fight during Wano and that Luffy needed to defeat him.

The character moments we saw from Kizaru during Egghead and even Kuzan during Hachinosu, to me shows that he at least cares a bit more about the Admirals compared to Kaido and Big Mom.

 

[kekaro]

 

[Germinator]

 

[Arthur Fleck]

He got overshadowed by other characters in this arc. He won't have an arc where is he the focus, probably the all of the admirals. He is a dramatic character but even in this arc his backstory is lame especially it is in the same arc of backstory of Vegapunk with Clover and backstory of Kuma, Ginny and Bonney.

In this arc, he also isn't a significant character.

People laughing at Kaido's backstory but Kizaru's backstory is lamer.

 

[Dragon777]

He got overshadowed by other characters in this arc. He won't have an arc where is he the focus, probably the all of the admirals. He is a dramatic character but even in this arc his backstory is lame especially it is in the same arc of backstory of Vegapunk with Clover and backstory of Kuma, Ginny and Bonney.

In this arc, he also isn't a significant character.

People laughing at Kaido's backstory but Kizaru's backstory is lamer.

 

[The White Crane]

 

[DarkWitch]

He got overshadowed by other characters in this arc. He won't have an arc where is he the focus, probably the all of the admirals. He is a dramatic character but even in this arc his backstory is lame especially it is in the same arc of backstory of Vegapunk with Clover and backstory of Kuma, Ginny and Bonney.

In this arc, he also isn't a significant character.

People laughing at Kaido's backstory but Kizaru's backstory is lamer.

Kizaru never had a actual backstory shown during the arc, the short flashback we saw was Kizaru's time spending with Vegapunk and we saw a bit more of that during Kuma's flashback as well.

Kaido's backstory still remains as the worst one.

 

[grey matter]

Kinda mid tbh, but the last chapter was a nice touch to his character. Best part of the chapter tbh

 

[Arthur Fleck]

Kizaru never had a actual backstory shown during the arc, the short flashback we saw was Kizaru's time spending with Vegapunk and we saw a bit more of that during Kuma's flashback as well.

Kaido's backstory still remains as the worst one.

That is already his backstory nothing more. Unless you think he will still have a focus which I doubt. And to add, there is still possible addition to Kaido's background once Xebec's backstory is shown.

The thing is the readers are expected to empathized with him but honestly there isn't enough to pity him. At least in Kaido's case, he isn't asking for empathy. Less drama, fighter until the end.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Oda should have structured Kizaru's backstory better and should have shown how hard it is for Kizaru to kill vegapunk. Yet Kizaru did it easily and only then show regret and emotion. It works but not that well.