Character Discussion Kizaru turned out to be trash character.

[MarineHQ]

My hope for most of this Kizaru-betrayal theorizing is that it leads to something later in the story. It would have been trash to have Kizaru get emotional and betray his lifes work so suddenly.

I'd rather have him live with it and hopefully do the right thing in the final war. Let this marinate instead of rushing it.

3 chapters into Elbaf and Oda will forget this all happened. There won't be a pay off at a later time, Oda will simply drop it.

This was a one arc conflicted thing because the characters involved were tied to Kizaru emotionally. Nothing really happened that could make him lose his trust and loyalty in the Navy.

I thought it would make sense for him to once in his lifetime act on emotions.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

3 chapters into Elbaf and Oda will forget this all happened. There won't be a pay off at a later time, Oda will simply drop it.

This was a one arc conflicted thing because the characters involved were tied to Kizaru emotionally. Nothing really happened that could make him lose his trust and loyalty in the Navy.

I thought it would make sense for him to once in his lifetime act on emotions.

I didn't really see it that way. Kizaru is fighting against his own ingrained beliefs versus his emotions, I think a quick flip after nearly killing Vega multiple times that arc and giving Vega the killing blow would be damning to his character

 

[DarkWitch]

Clearly MonsterKaido lives rent free in your head since you can't stop mentioning him

I only quoted him once in this thread you fucking brain dead moron.

I am simply having some fun. You don't have to do this to dark witch. Let them be.

When you start bumping every Kizaru threads, I'm not wrong about Kizaru living rent free in your head.

Don't worry oda loves admirals

Yeah compared to Laido and Big Meme, he still does.

The character focus we got from Kizaru is better than anything Kaido got.

And putting agenda aside, I still have Kaido for now above Kizaru in terms of power level.

 

[dirtyLarry]

No he didn't?

When did Big Mom sit an arc out? Kizaru wasn't running around brainlessly playing the role of this arcs ticking time bomb, nor did he go all out only to have his final attack taken out by dfless Law.

Big Mom got more focus than Kaidou overall, the issue was her all out showings were abysmal and she got defeated. Kizaru barely got to show anything and did not get defeated. Weird comparison.

Kizaru literally went all out against Luffy and got completely clowned and toyed with once Luffy went into G5.

To make matters worse, he got knocked out by G5 Luffy and once he woke up after some time he just did ... nothing. Simply kept sleeping.

I know defenders are trying to come up with all kinds of bs excuses ("but his internal conflict" etc.), but this is just a clown portrayal.

 

[Dragon777]

Kizaru literally went all out against Luffy and got completely clowned and toyed with once Luffy went into G5.

To make matters worse, he got knocked out by G5 Luffy and once he woke up after some time he just did ... nothing. Simply kept sleeping.

I know defenders are trying to come up with all kinds of bs excuses (but his internal conflict etc.), but this is just a clown portrayal.

It really Isn't.

But I agree overall, even if I think there will be a conclusion.

 

[ZenZu]

Kizaru literally went all out against Luffy and got completely clowned and toyed with once Luffy went into G5.

To make matters worse, he got knocked out by G5 Luffy and once he woke up after some time he just did ... nothing. Simply kept sleeping.

I know defenders are trying to come up with all kinds of bs excuses ("but his internal conflict" etc.), but this is just a clown portrayal.

You're reading a completely different story then. WSG stunned him for a bit, he never got knocked out after that, he was just lying on the ground conscious.

Big Mom was actually defeated, narrator stamped this. You're just trying to force a comparison that doesn't exist.

 

[DarkWitch]

Kizaru literally went all out against Luffy

To make matters worse, he got knocked out by G5 Luffy and once he woke up after some time he just did ... nothing. Simply kept sleeping.

He was never knocked out, wtf are you talking about?

 

[The DevilMaster]

Kizaru is not based on one of Oda's favorite actors? I don't understand why Oda made him a joke and have him humiliated by Yonkou Luffy (Pizza diff), what a lack of respect for one of his favorite actors.

Kaidou mid diff lizaru

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

KKS will prove the doubters wrong!

 

[L57]

Isn't Kizaru based on Oda's favorite actor? I didn't understand why Oda made him a pizza, what a lack of respect huh, and Kaidou beats Kizaru in a mid diff.

"Oda: i will treat them admirals with respect"
Coc diffed by shanks
Kuzan needing help vs an old washed garp
Kizaru getting off screen fight,done in 1 hit,turned into a pizza

 

[The DevilMaster]

"Oda: i will treat them admirals with respect"
Coc diffed by shanks
Kuzan needing help vs an old washed garp
Kizaru getting off screen fight,done in 1 hit,turned into a pizza

I have been dealing with this kind of argument since Marineford, man, "The Larintards are based on Oda's favorite Japanese actors," so consequently this will result in better treatment for them from Oda.

• No Coc
• No Acoc
• No Fs
• No awakening
• Pizza Diff
• Beaten by old men
• Humiliated by Yonkous
• Kaidou being superior to all of them.

 

[Levi]

Why are we surprised admirals are trash?

 

[Malio]

I could've told you that for free. Oda's story telling is getting more and more ass every new chapter

 

[Uncle Van]

??? Power wise:
- Oda stated and showed multiple times that an Admiral can't fight properly without lots of collateral damage
- First thing Kizaru did when he got to Egghead was go over 3 things that couldn't be destroyed under any circumstance
- Kizaru wasn't trying to fight Luffy(blatantly said that he doesn't have time to fight as his target was getting away) and slipped away numerous times
- Kizaru kept wavering was caught by surprise numerous times

Character wise:
- His motto is unclear/uncertain justice and he fit the bill perfectly.
- Emphasized numerous times that he didn't want to do the mission, was seen hesitating, closed his eyes when attacking a friend, and stayed down because he completed his mission and was morning his dead friend
- Was laying down after WSG but got up immediately when Bonney and Sento were ordered to be executed, and didn't make another move until ordered by Saturn

Kizaru wasn't a disappointment at all. It's just people who were expecting some final villian bout in a transitional arc.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I only quoted him once in this thread you fucking brain dead moron.



When you start bumping every Kizaru threads, I'm not wrong about Kizaru living rent free in your head.


Yeah compared to Laido and Big Meme, he still does.

The character focus we got from Kizaru is better than anything Kaido got.

And putting agenda aside, I still have Kaido for now above Kizaru in terms of power level.

Sure bro. Oda loves admirals more than Kaido

 

[kekaro]

??? Power wise:
- Oda stated and showed multiple times that an Admiral can't fight properly without lots of collateral damage
- First thing Kizaru did when he got to Egghead was go over 3 things that couldn't be destroyed under any circumstance
- Kizaru wasn't trying to fight Luffy(blatantly said that he doesn't have time to fight as his target was getting away) and slipped away numerous times
- Kizaru kept wavering was caught by surprise numerous times

Character wise:
- His motto is unclear/uncertain justice and he fit the bill perfectly.
- Emphasized numerous times that he didn't want to do the mission, was seen hesitating, closed his eyes when attacking a friend, and stayed down because he completed his mission and was morning his dead friend
- Was laying down after WSG but got up immediately when Bonney and Sento were ordered to be executed, and didn't make another move until ordered by Saturn

Kizaru wasn't a disappointment at all. It's just people who were expecting some final villian bout in a transitional arc.

Perfect summary

 

[Uncle Van]

Sure bro. Oda loves admirals more than Kaido

I know you're trying to joke but what you said it's actually true. The Admirals are based off Oda's favorite actors, one of them being his #1 actor of all time.

 

[kekaro]

Sure bro. Oda loves admirals more than Kaido

How is he wrong, whats your criteria for it?

 

[MonsterKaido]

How is he wrong, whats your criteria for it?

In terms of power level obvi

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I know you're trying to joke but what you said it's actually true. The Admirals are based off Oda's favorite actors, one of them being his #1 actor of all time.

Are you really satisfied with how Kizaru was treated in egghead? Be real.

 

[kekaro]

In terms of power level obvi

? I struggle to think of a Shounen author that cares and loves characters on a ranking based on their power level even when they make characters PURELY based on power levels (Like gege and gojo), and of all of them Oda might be the worse pick for that

Thats something you just made up because you value that, not oda.