@Shelby @symbiote @Salah WG @Finalbeta @MarineHQ62 @MereoCanStepOnMeTbh
I've had this discussion a few times already and i'm about to body each and every one of you hard, cause the main argument you guys use in the first place shows that you are devoid of logic.
The argument that Kizaru had to try against Rayleigh because he had to vent his frustration afterwards and captured hundreds of pirates is a logical fallacy, there is no way to draw a logical conclusion out of those two situations because they are not related/connected.
First things first, let's look at the whole situation that was going on, on Sabaody.
The marines' general goal on sabaody was to capture all pirates present including the supernovas and especially the strawhats because of the celestial dragon incident.
Kizaru chose to go for the strawhats after he casually cleaned almost all the other supernovas beforehand.
At this point though the strawhats already were in huge trouble escaping the pacifistas and sentomaru.
Even without Kizaru it was made clear that they were in a dire situation and would have been captured by them sooner or later cause they couldn't defeat them and most of them were already beaten badly.
When Kizaru interfered the situation was already lost for the strawhats and Kizaru's interference didn't change much.
Also when Kizaru interfered it was only for a split moment in which he only injured Zoro and that moment was also when Rayleigh interfered as well.
After both of them interfered with the situation for a short moment they went to fight each other which left the strawhats in the same exact dire situation against the pacifistas and sentomarou that they were in before.
So both Kizaru and Rayleigh were not really a main factor in the strawhat's capture or escape because both of them did not alter the situation in any way.
It became clear then that Sentomaru and the Pacifistas had everything under control even Rayleigh realized as much and said that he wanted to help them while he was fighting Kizaru.
Which means at this point both Kizaru and Rayleigh knew that it was just a matter of time until the strawhats would be captured which was the reason Rayleigh wanted to go and help them but admitted he can't do it cause Kizaru stopped him.
So based on this, there was no reason for Kizaru to do any more than to just hold Rayleigh off because Sentomaru and the pacifistas would finish the job.
This means that Kizaru would only need to exert himself as much as was necessary to merely stalemate Rayleigh, which like we saw on panel Kizaru did in a very casual manner by using only a sword against an actual swordsman.
Now let's get to the logical fallacy of your guys main argument.
The logical fallacy happens at the moment that you guys fail to realize that the reason for Kizaru's frustration and him fighting Rayleigh are not related/connected.
In order to understand this, first you have to understand the marines' actual goal (which i already explained above) as well as the main reason they weren't able to achieve it (which i will explain now).
The main reason why the strawhats escaped wasn't Rayleigh but Kuma.
Rayleigh interfered with Kizaru but he didn't change the outcome of the strawhats' capture whatsoever since he was being held off while Sentomaru and the Pacifista would've finished the job even without Kizaru which is also something that Rayleigh admitted (which i already explained above).
Kuma was the main reason for the strawhats escape since he teleported them away with the marines actually having their hands tied and being unable to do anything about it since he was a shichibukai.
Kizaru also actually states his frustration towards Kuma and how pirates can't be trusted after all on panel which u can see here:
In that panel Kizaru is already visibly frustrated with the fact that Kuma didn't follow the summoning to navy HQ and says pirates can't be trusted (speaking about the shichibukai in general obviously). In the same panel also Rayleigh admits for a 2nd time on panel that he would like to help the strawhats (since he obviously didn't know that Kuma would help them) but can't cause casual Kizaru was already too much for him to handle.
After this the strawhats were teleported away which failed the marines' mission on sabaody of capturing the strawhats immediately.
And now after all this happened Kizaru was frustrated that they failed their mission and went on to capture a few hundred pirates instead.
Based on all of this coming to the conclusion that Kizaru HAD to try against Rayleigh because he vented his frustration afterwards is not logical at all but actually completely illogical.
The only logical conclusions that are possible here are:
Kizaru was not frustrated because of Rayleigh since their goal would've been reached regardless of Rayleigh's interference which means him not trying in his fight with Rayleigh and only trying as much as needed to stalemate him makes complete logical sense especially based on that we know he didn't use most of his abilites as well as that we know his potential full power could very possibly be on the same scale as Akainu's and Aokiji's.
Kizaru was frustrated because a shichibukai interfered with the situation and hence they weren't able to reach their goal despite Kizaru being involved.
Even without Rayleigh it wouldn't have been definite if they would've reached their goal since Kuma could've still interfered and teleported the strawhats away and Kizaru's hands would've still been tied since Kuma is a shichibukai and this would've still lead to Kizaru being frustrated with the situation even without Rayleigh's interference.
@Admiral Lee Hung @GreenEggsAHam
