Questions & Mysteries Kizaru was not trying against Rayleigh

[PerfectHie]

Why would Kizaru not be bloodlusted with a job involving the Celestial Dragons? Why would Kizaru he angry if he had some hidden ability that would grant him victory? You're not making any sense. Kizaru is not strong enough to get past Rayleigh. Maybe after Kizaru gets a 2 year training timeskip he can be strong enough to get past Rayleigh but until then

Because you're contradictions yourself. Angry is not the same as bloodlust. Kizaru does his job, he doesn't care about the celestial dragons lol. All he did was use his sword, didn't try anything else. It's not a hidden ability.

Unless Kizaru takes Old Ray more seriously than 2 Yonko lol.
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He shot a laser through Buggy's solider and got Buggy to comply with his demands. Show me where Kizaru did anything to Rayleigh. And you still didn't explain why Kizaru would not be bloodlusted on a mission that involves the entire Marine's reputation concerning the Celestial Dragons. Kizaru purposely humilated the entire Marine organization? Is that what you're telling me? What a selfish asshole.

I just answered that part.

He was also attacking Ray when talking, it's the same thing.

You're going in circles lol. You're logic is that he was sbegging because he asked lol.

 

[Finalbeta]

Well was WB a awakened user? BB can do anything WB can do on spot..........

I think he most likely was, at least sickness aside. But Oda would not show them off too soon, same as the admirals', mostly for two reasons: 1) MF potentially being annihilated when that was not a favourable scenario, 2) Oda not wanting to unravel them too soon.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

I think he most likely was, at least sickness aside. But Oda would not show them off too soon, same as the admiral's, mostly for two reasons: 1) MF potentially being annihilated when that was not a favourable scenario, 2) Oda not wanting to unravel them too soon.

Can be........but as of now the answer he wasn't one unless we get a flashback.............

 

[Shelby]

Because you're contradictions yourself.

How? Kizaru asked Rayleigh to stay out of his way because he wanted to avoid a fight with him. When did Kizaru ask Buggy to stay out of his way? When did Kizaru show any hesitation to attacking Buggy?

Angry is not the same as bloodlust.

Prove Kizaru wasn't bloodlusted. Everybody always has excuses for Kizaru's performances but they never got the panels to support it.

he doesn't care about the celestial dragons lol.

First of all, the job description of an Admiral is to serve and protect the Celestial Dragons, so anybody who accepts that job cared about the Celestial Dragons. That's why Garp is always rejecting that position.

Second of all, Kizaru literally said the Marines would lose face with the Celestial Dragons if he failed his mission.

And third of all, Kizaru said that the Marines must respond after what happened to the Celestial Dragons. So yes, Kizaru cares very much for the Celestial Dragons, stop lying.

All he did was use his sword, didn't try anything else. It's not a hidden ability.

Unless Kizaru takes Old Ray more seriously than 2 Yonko lol.

What do you mean all he used was a sword? What else was there to use? If Rayleigh can react to Kizaru travelling in light mode and can react to his close range sword strikes, then naturally Rayleigh can react to his long range lasers. What other ability are you expecting Kizaru to pull out of his ass in order to win?
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He was also attacking Ray when talking, it's the same thing.

No he wasn't. He asked Rayleigh to not get in his way. Then he tried going past Rayleigh through light form because he was desperate to avoid a fight with him. Then Rayleigh stopped him in his tracks and slashed his cheeks, then Kizaru pulled out his sword because he knew if he didn't he would die.

Somehow that's the same as Kizaru commanding Buggy to drop Luffy and shooting him in the shoulder at the exact same time. Nice try but those two scenes have nothing in common.

There's a reason both Sengoku and the Gorosei didn't consider Kizaru for the position of Fleet Admiral. Because he embarrassed the entire Marines and made them lose face with the Celestial Dragons. You can't let a failure lead the Marines after all. That's why Kizaru's position will forever be capped at Admiral only.

 

[York]

Rayleigh was softballing him

 

[Lukegranders]

“Kizaru dies off screen to Blackbeard”

Kizaru fans: he wasn’t trying

 

[ranady]

“Kizaru dies off screen to Blackbeard”

Nice fanfiction

 

[kenedyfake]

for me this is like Mihawk vs Vista ... people have to stop talking crap. We didn't see the fight, the unfolding or anything like that to affirm something.

the only Admiral we saw fighting to the death was Akainu, against a furious WB.

 

[Finalbeta]

for me this is like Mihawk vs Vista ... people have to stop talking crap. We didn't see the fight, the unfolding or anything like that to affirm something.

the only Admiral we saw fighting to the death was Akainu, against a furious WB.

You don't really need to see Mihawk vs Vista in order to put a verdict on who the strongest is though.

 

[Bil02]

for me this is like Mihawk vs Vista ... people have to stop talking crap. We didn't see the fight, the unfolding or anything like that to affirm something.

the only Admiral we saw fighting to the death was Akainu, against a furious WB.

Unlike Kizaru,Mihawk didn't vent his rage from frustration afterwards and was in complete control of the fight all the time,affording to look sideways and think about Luffy mid fight.

Rayleigh required all of Kizaru's attention and even got wounded the second he tried to ignore Rayleigh.

I don't think your analogy works here.

 

[Buusatan94]

The fact that he didn't give any injury to Rayleigh, and vented out on capturing as many pirates as possible because he was frustrated after his failure to get the Straw Hats and Rayleigh say that he was clearly not holding back.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

The Dark King gets better portrayal than a Yonko

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Was he actually trying to get past Rayleigh? Yes... Was he using the full extent of his powers to achieve this? No... He couldn't, because if him and Rayleigh fought going all out they'd have destroyed all of Sabaody, killing millions.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

LOL Kizaru didn't go all out against Rayleigh like he did in Marineford, he wasn't spamming laser beams or using named attacks against Rayleigh or else Sabaody would be gone in an instant. That's like saying Zoro blames himself for being weak after the fight against Kamazou when we know that he hasn't gone all out.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

The anime also clarified that Oden took a quake punch way better than Akainu who was gushing his blood everywhere, and that was a way weaker version than the one that fought Kaido.

the anime also clarified that it took whitebeard 3-4 to make the seas roar, while old beard only took 1 attack to do that the conclusions I came up with is old beard mastery>primebeard mastery in gura
also Yami-BB>Oden
Oh also scopper~oden right?

 

[Red Admiral]

saying Kizaru was all out and did his best is unfair
saying Kizaru couldn't win that fight is unfair

BUT

he did try
he did fail in doing what matter the most CAUSE he was STOPPED by The Dark King

p.s
using light sword was BEST match up move Kizaru could use in that fight
MARCO tanked his yasakani no magatama ... you think that can do anything to DARK KING

 

[Shelby]

he wasn't spamming laser beams

Spamming lasers would do nothing. If a close range sword slash can't touch Rayleigh, and if Rayleigh can touch Kizaru while he's travelling in light form, then what do you expect a laser beam from the distance to do? Rayleigh would dodge it.

If you can't touch someone in close quarter combat, how can you touch them in long range combat? When Kizaru actually becomes strong enough to scratch Rayleigh with a sword, then we can start fantasizing about his slow long range lasers that even Luffy can dodge hitting Rayleigh.

This is what Rayleigh is going to do to Kizaru's lasers.

or using named attacks against Rayleigh

The sword Kizaru created was a named attack. Checkmate.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Spamming lasers would do nothing. If a close range sword slash can't touch Rayleigh, and if Rayleigh can touch Kizaru while he's travelling in light form, then what do you expect a laser beam from the distance to do? Rayleigh would dodge it.

If you can't touch someone in close quarter combat, how can you touch them in long range combat? When Kizaru actually becomes strong enough to scratch Rayleigh with a sword, then we can start fantasizing about his slow long range lasers that even Luffy can dodge hitting Rayleigh.

This is what Rayleigh is going to do to Kizaru's lasers.

Lmao, Kizaru doesn't need to hit Rayleigh. He can just destroy the ground so Ray would have no place to stand on. The whole point of Kizaru's laser is to obliterate the environment around you.

The sword Kizaru created was a named attack. Checkmate.

LOL, the sword is a weapon, not a named attack.

 

[wereng99]

Both Kizaru and Rayleigh didn't go all out, Kizaru an Admiral know better he's not in position to risking his life to duking out with Rayleigh cause the war with WB pirates is close..
that's why kizaru said something like marine needs preparation if they want to take on Rayleigh another legend like WB..

 

[trav]

of course he was.
no Admiral would go easy on a former Roger pirate.
they are some of the most wanted men.