Character Discussion Law and Kid are special in their tier list!
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Hey Guys!
Thanks to Shishio, i could finaly see Odas long plan for Kid and Law and understand now their placing and their kind of fight against Big Mum.
First of all, back to the fight:
The fight around Big Mum was heavily build around awakanings and devil fruits. While Linlin is also known for her Adv. Haki, she wasnt able to put down Law and Kid, specially Kid, since he acted as the tank in that fight. This point alone speaks for their massive physically stats. No other character could take nearly the same damage and still be on their feats or counterattack. Again, we have to consider no adc haki in it here for both!
And then, Kid and Law overpowered Big Mum each on their own way against her Devil Fruit + Haki, they managed to take down an Yonko.
So, they were able to put down a Yonko, only with their physical stats and her devil fruit awakaning. Still, they got put at the same tier as Luffy by Oda and/or the world government.
This fact lead into much confusion, how can they be the same thread as Joyboy-Godlike-Mastermind-HyperMC-Nika-Luffy?
But, Shishio made it clear for me.
Conclusion:
They are feared, since they are already on a top tier league, able to take down Yonkos and still havent nearly maxed any kind of Haki. They play in the biggest league and still have alot to reach in the known scala. Everyone else in that League has already Adv. Haki of any form or several forms, everyone except them. If they now are able to master these Hakilevels, for example Law Adv. CoO, Kid AdvCOC and AdvCOA they would jump in a League of above the known Top Tiers right now. Thats why they are heavily feared too.
And they will reach that point, since they will lead, together with Luffy, the World Revolution against Imu and the world government!
Hands down, Luffy, Kid and Law are monsters and they will conquer the whole world.
Gz
Panth
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Thanks to Shishio, i could finaly see Odas long plan for Kid and Law and understand now their placing and their kind of fight against Big Mum.
First of all, back to the fight:
The fight around Big Mum was heavily build around awakanings and devil fruits. While Linlin is also known for her Adv. Haki, she wasnt able to put down Law and Kid, specially Kid, since he acted as the tank in that fight. This point alone speaks for their massive physically stats. No other character could take nearly the same damage and still be on their feats or counterattack. Again, we have to consider no adc haki in it here for both!
And then, Kid and Law overpowered Big Mum each on their own way against her Devil Fruit + Haki, they managed to take down an Yonko.
So, they were able to put down a Yonko, only with their physical stats and her devil fruit awakaning. Still, they got put at the same tier as Luffy by Oda and/or the world government.
This fact lead into much confusion, how can they be the same thread as Joyboy-Godlike-Mastermind-HyperMC-Nika-Luffy?
But, Shishio made it clear for me.
Conclusion:
They are feared, since they are already on a top tier league, able to take down Yonkos and still havent nearly maxed any kind of Haki. They play in the biggest league and still have alot to reach in the known scala. Everyone else in that League has already Adv. Haki of any form or several forms, everyone except them. If they now are able to master these Hakilevels, for example Law Adv. CoO, Kid AdvCOC and AdvCOA they would jump in a League of above the known Top Tiers right now. Thats why they are heavily feared too.
And they will reach that point, since they will lead, together with Luffy, the World Revolution against Imu and the world government!
Hands down, Luffy, Kid and Law are monsters and they will conquer the whole world.
Gz
Panth
@rerere @Lukegranders @Tyki_Mikk ...
Law is YC1 Level
Kidd is YC2 Level
I am not sure what is special there.
Never to special ---> Oda makes him and Law beat an Emperor and get a 3,000,000,000 bounty 500+ chapters after their introduction
Luffy will never fight him ---> Laughs in Lodestar
WIll die ---> Literally no hints pointing at it
Finalbeta and his bad prediction back at it again
Luffy will never fight him ---> Laughs in Lodestar
WIll die ---> Literally no hints pointing at it
Finalbeta and his bad prediction back at it again
If we look at the future, Luffy might die or drop piracy or something so the Whitebeard - Kidd headcanonical parallel is arguably cursed as well as anything of such general gist
I mean that he will probably never become a legit high top tier Lelele
If we look at the future, Luffy might die or drop piracy or something so the Whitebeard - Kidd headcanonical parallel is arguably cursed as well as anything of such general gist
If we look at the future, Luffy might die or drop piracy or something so the Whitebeard - Kidd headcanonical parallel is arguably cursed as well as anything of such general gist
Who brought WB in this? Sounds like you are projecting some fear of yours.
And even in that case I don't see how Luffy dying/retiring would stop that parallel, since the same happened with Roger/WB.
It’s kinda crazy, when you think about it. Kid, enraged that Luffy became a Yonkou, tried to attack him to gain the Yonkou spot, and it only took one single panel for Luffy to crush his ambition and forever make him his cheerleader, all that without even using haki or malicious intent.
Man never stood a chance.
Man never stood a chance.
Well I did its just not very convincing since it is impossible to be a top tier without at least one form of advanced Haki.
Not to mention every other stat of Law and Kidd is sub par.
To me in the absolute base case scenario they are on same level as roof top Zoro if you take away Ashura.
Zoro on roof top was still given much better portrayal since zoros base stats were significantly higher but you can argue at least for Law its an equalizer.
Not to mention every other stat of Law and Kidd is sub par.
To me in the absolute base case scenario they are on same level as roof top Zoro if you take away Ashura.
Zoro on roof top was still given much better portrayal since zoros base stats were significantly higher but you can argue at least for Law its an equalizer.
Coming with zoro just reveals the agenda driven argumentation. How does it come you need to compare everything to the character you overhype a lot?
I argued for it, how they can go at high tier with their awakaning and even without adv haki, how much potential they have because of exactly that.
but you only come with:
„can’t top tier without adv haki“ -> which is exactly what the whole point of this thread is, they can, they are, they showed and oda made clear (3B).
„but but Zoro“ -> nobody cares about Zoro in that discussion. He isn’t even an argument, since he didn’t fought someone comparable to Linlin.
I argued for it, how they can go at high tier with their awakaning and even without adv haki, how much potential they have because of exactly that.
but you only come with:
„can’t top tier without adv haki“ -> which is exactly what the whole point of this thread is, they can, they are, they showed and oda made clear (3B).
„but but Zoro“ -> nobody cares about Zoro in that discussion. He isn’t even an argument, since he didn’t fought someone comparable to Linlin.
In fact Oda made sure to differentiate their cases:
- Kidd & Law are monstrous individually, but with small crews and few control over territories (specially Law) so their bounty only rapresents their individual threat level
- Buggy is fodder but with a huge crew and monstrous control over masses and territories, so he got handed the title. He might have high bounty too but is doomed by inflation cause of his title
- Luffy is both monstrously strong and monstrously influential, that's why he got bounty and title, both deserved
The fact that Kidd & Law ain't Emperors and still got that bounty argues in their favor, not the other way around, since their bounty can't suffer from inflation due to title
But I thought Kidd was YC2 :yasu:
- Kidd & Law are monstrous individually, but with small crews and few control over territories (specially Law) so their bounty only rapresents their individual threat level
- Buggy is fodder but with a huge crew and monstrous control over masses and territories, so he got handed the title. He might have high bounty too but is doomed by inflation cause of his title
- Luffy is both monstrously strong and monstrously influential, that's why he got bounty and title, both deserved
The fact that Kidd & Law ain't Emperors and still got that bounty argues in their favor, not the other way around, since their bounty can't suffer from inflation due to title
But I thought Kidd was YC2 :yasu: