Speculations Law and Kidd Defeating Big Mom (Why At This Point Its The Most Logical For Them To Win)
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Are people really expecting for Big Mom, A Yonko, with major significance to the overall story, to be taken down by Kid and Law, in 1-2 chapters, with some major off paneling in between? Or are yall expecting for Oda to draw 10 to 20 chapters solely dedicated to this fight?
Also, we got a 5 minute time limit here, with the possibility of extending it to maybe an hour depending on Momonosuke. Are people really expecting Big Mom, who is clean as fuck, to be taken down within a 5 minute to 1 hour time frame?
Kaido soloed 5 YC caliber characters, alongside 4 who are close to it, yet Kid and Law are so god damn strong, that despite them both being heavily injured, the two of them together will defeat someone on Kaido's level?
If Big Mom goes down, it's going to be a collective effort between a lot of characters. Not by just Kid and Law. You might even need to throw Hawkins having a change of heart in there, and using his buff card on someone for this to be even remotely possible.
Also, we got a 5 minute time limit here, with the possibility of extending it to maybe an hour depending on Momonosuke. Are people really expecting Big Mom, who is clean as fuck, to be taken down within a 5 minute to 1 hour time frame?
Kaido soloed 5 YC caliber characters, alongside 4 who are close to it, yet Kid and Law are so god damn strong, that despite them both being heavily injured, the two of them together will defeat someone on Kaido's level?
If Big Mom goes down, it's going to be a collective effort between a lot of characters. Not by just Kid and Law. You might even need to throw Hawkins having a change of heart in there, and using his buff card on someone for this to be even remotely possible.
Yes? And water is wet so?
Oda has had some hot or questionable takes in the past. Or are we going to praise the series as perfection while withholding criticism and that Kid has always been on the same level as current rooftop Luffy?
Oda has had some hot or questionable takes in the past. Or are we going to praise the series as perfection while withholding criticism and that Kid has always been on the same level as current rooftop Luffy?
I'm laughing because you are clearly cushioning your failing opinion by calling the authors decision a bad one since it doesn't align with your own
Holy shit are you even paying attention to the flow of our convo?
Yes Oda can do whatever the f he wants with his story. It is his story, he writes the manga, he creates the setting, the narrative, the hype, everything. He is the god, the overlord, the omnipotent fish head.
That doesn't mean some of the choices he makes based on the narrative and portrayal that he sets is good, you follow?
You think it was good writing for the WSS to get stalled by Vista a commander tier at MF?
Think it was good writing for Luffy to defeat Doffy and while Law, the guy who had the most beef and history with him, prayed for Luffy to win? While setting birdcage as "tension" when they had an admiral inside of it?
If you think it's good writing and decision to have Kid and Law, both of who have shown little to rival the likes of current Luffy, beat BM , who has hardly taken any damage and is treating them like scrubs, then youre out of your goddamn mind. Kid, who has almost no beef and only little history with her, and Law, who literally has no beef or history with her. Compared to Luffy, who is the target of BM's hate and who almost caused Luffy the loss of two crew mates (Sanji and Jinbei). Luffy, the next Joyboy and the future PK who inherited Roger's will and his SH, who BM hates as well.
Yes Oda can do whatever the f he wants with his story. It is his story, he writes the manga, he creates the setting, the narrative, the hype, everything. He is the god, the overlord, the omnipotent fish head.
That doesn't mean some of the choices he makes based on the narrative and portrayal that he sets is good, you follow?
You think it was good writing for the WSS to get stalled by Vista a commander tier at MF?
Think it was good writing for Luffy to defeat Doffy and while Law, the guy who had the most beef and history with him, prayed for Luffy to win? While setting birdcage as "tension" when they had an admiral inside of it?
If you think it's good writing and decision to have Kid and Law, both of who have shown little to rival the likes of current Luffy, beat BM , who has hardly taken any damage and is treating them like scrubs, then youre out of your goddamn mind. Kid, who has almost no beef and only little history with her, and Law, who literally has no beef or history with her. Compared to Luffy, who is the target of BM's hate and who almost caused Luffy the loss of two crew mates (Sanji and Jinbei). Luffy, the next Joyboy and the future PK who inherited Roger's will and his SH, who BM hates as well.
-i hope kid kills her, just to establish the difference between him and luffy who does not kill his enemies.
-if kaido falls, big mom falls as well, they will not live to see the final war.
-if big mom survived wano she will lose everything (territory and troops), if not to teach then to the marines.
-big mom is extremely expendable, even her children are looking for alternatives in the case of her death.
-with the introduction of vegapunk's SSG, the strength/influence of the yonko and their their crews should hold far less significance that it did before.
-the SSG has disturbed the balance of power so drastically in favour of the marines and world government.
-kaido and big mom consider the SSG a serious threat, to the point where they need to make an alliance, and find the ancient weapons.
-2 years ago the marines didn't want to lose soldiers to capture rayliegh, but now they can freely spare fleets to capture the warlords, and the world government is sending a fleet of it's own to claim wano despite the possibility of having to deal with two yonko at the same time.
-if kaido falls, big mom falls as well, they will not live to see the final war.
-if big mom survived wano she will lose everything (territory and troops), if not to teach then to the marines.
-big mom is extremely expendable, even her children are looking for alternatives in the case of her death.
-with the introduction of vegapunk's SSG, the strength/influence of the yonko and their their crews should hold far less significance that it did before.
-the SSG has disturbed the balance of power so drastically in favour of the marines and world government.
-kaido and big mom consider the SSG a serious threat, to the point where they need to make an alliance, and find the ancient weapons.
-2 years ago the marines didn't want to lose soldiers to capture rayliegh, but now they can freely spare fleets to capture the warlords, and the world government is sending a fleet of it's own to claim wano despite the possibility of having to deal with two yonko at the same time.
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If and this is a big IF Law & Kid defeat Big Mom, there is no way in hell Luffy is defeating Kaido by himself 1 v 1.
Luffy, Law & Kid have always been shown side by side when around each other. Saboady, Luffy and Law in Dressrosa, Luffy and Kid in wano prison, 3 of them on their way to Onigashina, Roofpiece.
Then the 3 of them are fighting 2 emperors currently. Emperors that have clearly been shown to be equal or very close to each other in power.
It makes absolutely zero sense for Luffy to do it all on his own, regardless of how weakened Kaido has suddenly become (conveniently).
Therefore Luffy will need help in defeating The Beast Pirate Captain, like he had help throughout the fight with Kaido and Big Mom so far.
So.....
Also what if Law finds a way to counter Big Mom putting souls into inanimate things? Shambles that shit away and Punk Gibsons her hard
Luffy, Law & Kid have always been shown side by side when around each other. Saboady, Luffy and Law in Dressrosa, Luffy and Kid in wano prison, 3 of them on their way to Onigashina, Roofpiece.
Then the 3 of them are fighting 2 emperors currently. Emperors that have clearly been shown to be equal or very close to each other in power.
It makes absolutely zero sense for Luffy to do it all on his own, regardless of how weakened Kaido has suddenly become (conveniently).
Therefore Luffy will need help in defeating The Beast Pirate Captain, like he had help throughout the fight with Kaido and Big Mom so far.
So.....
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Also what if Law finds a way to counter Big Mom putting souls into inanimate things? Shambles that shit away and Punk Gibsons her hard
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I seriously didn't expect you of all people to be this fucking delusional.
You literally have Killer say "Go for it partner" talking about "the chance to take down an Emperor", and Hawkins' card is "destruction of the old, and a new path", overlayed over Big Mom vs. Law/Kid.
How brain damaged do you have to be to ignore clues like this?
Yeah. Kid/Law > YCs. Even Zoro/Sanji > YCs at this point. You underestimate people and then expect Oda to follow your headcanon.
Law literally no diffed one of the strongest Scabbards in Punk Hazard, and this guy is comparing him to Scabbards.
You literally have Killer say "Go for it partner" talking about "the chance to take down an Emperor", and Hawkins' card is "destruction of the old, and a new path", overlayed over Big Mom vs. Law/Kid.
How brain damaged do you have to be to ignore clues like this?
Yeah. Kid/Law > YCs. Even Zoro/Sanji > YCs at this point. You underestimate people and then expect Oda to follow your headcanon.
Law literally no diffed one of the strongest Scabbards in Punk Hazard, and this guy is comparing him to Scabbards.
I seriously didn't expect you of all people to be this fucking delusional.
You literally have Killer say "Go for it partner" talking about "the chance to take down an Emperor", and Hawkins' card is "destruction of the old, and a new path", overlayed over Big Mom vs. Law/Kid.
How brain damaged do you have to be to ignore clues like this?
Yeah. Kid/Law > YCs. Even Zoro/Sanji > YCs at this point. You underestimate people and then expect Oda to follow your headcanon.
Law literally no diffed one of the strongest Scabbards in Punk Hazard, and this guy is comparing him to Scabbards.
You literally have Killer say "Go for it partner" talking about "the chance to take down an Emperor", and Hawkins' card is "destruction of the old, and a new path", overlayed over Big Mom vs. Law/Kid.
How brain damaged do you have to be to ignore clues like this?
Yeah. Kid/Law > YCs. Even Zoro/Sanji > YCs at this point. You underestimate people and then expect Oda to follow your headcanon.
Law literally no diffed one of the strongest Scabbards in Punk Hazard, and this guy is comparing him to Scabbards.
There is zero fucking build up to any of this, outside of someone needs to keep Big Mom occupied while Luffy fights Kaido.
You need to reevaluate your definition of delusional if you think Oda is going to invest so much time and energy in a single character and then take them out in with such a garbage setup, and lackluster build up.
I have been paying attention to the "flow" of the conversation, and I don't agree with your complaint.
I just find it funny that you state all of these examples, yet are surprised by what you are seeing here.
Even funnier is you saying Luffy beating Doflamingo is bad writing, but then argue because he's the MC and practically God, nobody but Luffy should beat BM.
And no, clearly you haven't read the story, because BM has beef with Kid too. He went to WCI, stole something important and injured one of her commanders. BMs entire focus shifted from Luffy to Kid. Luffy didn't even try and touch BM on the roof, he focused on Kaido.
Just stop the overbearing nonsense, the narrative is fine, you guys just nitpick every miniscule thing so you can bitch and moan on a weekly basis. Luffy does not have to win and be sole victor of everything. Last chapter explained that shit you point blank.
I just find it funny that you state all of these examples, yet are surprised by what you are seeing here.
Even funnier is you saying Luffy beating Doflamingo is bad writing, but then argue because he's the MC and practically God, nobody but Luffy should beat BM.
And no, clearly you haven't read the story, because BM has beef with Kid too. He went to WCI, stole something important and injured one of her commanders. BMs entire focus shifted from Luffy to Kid. Luffy didn't even try and touch BM on the roof, he focused on Kaido.
Just stop the overbearing nonsense, the narrative is fine, you guys just nitpick every miniscule thing so you can bitch and moan on a weekly basis. Luffy does not have to win and be sole victor of everything. Last chapter explained that shit you point blank.
Just like with Queen and Sanji?
Look how easy he handed him anither power up,qnd is going to deal with him in 2-3 focus chapters .
Oda wants to finish this shit. 7 years ago you might be right,but not now.
I also believed that BM would go to elbaf and Luffy would be the one to get another win against her ,but not beat her phsyically just so he can fullfill the words he said when they first talked. (I am going to beat you all over the new world)
WCI,Wano,Elbaf would be his 3 victories over her and would be all over the new world.
Yet here Oda pulls the narrator to signify great change.
Look how suprised Hawkins is after he pulls Tower.
And how he ends the chapter
Oda doing all that and then trying to one up the readers is what would be bad wiriting and not having Kid and Law beat BM here .