Controversial Let’s Fix Hara’s Drunken Stat System

[RayanOO]

So what, Houken was sitting around some Zhao woodland at supposedly 94 strength until Riboku came along with a job offer of Zhao Heaven in-name-only and Houken's strength stat spontaneously shot up to 100?

I don’t follow you

Houken is peak strength and was always been planned by Hara to be a monster and one of the greatest foe in the story

Houken is martially a top tier without any question

Tou was always planned to be a GG after Ouki early death, and always planned to be a top tier

Gyou Un and Bananji weren’t planned to be top tier at all. Just strong underlings

And for those type of guys it seems Hara blocks them at 94 tops

except realllyyyyyy rare cases

 

[Wuuuke]

So what, Houken was sitting around some Zhao woodland at supposedly 94 strength until Riboku came along with a job offer of Zhao Heaven in-name-only and Houken's strength stat spontaneously shot up to 100?

Playing a bit of devils advocate here, that 94 could simply be just reflective of the strength he had displayed up until that point, not necessarily his true limit. Also we know he trained and grew stronger after his "victory" over Ouki which could contribute to that as well

 

[Seraphim Croc]

Ouki
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 98
Leadership: 97

Duke Hyou
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 95
Leadership: 96

Moubu
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 88
Leadership: 95

Tou
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 95
Leadership: 93

Ousen
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 94

Yotanwa
Strength: 97
Intelligence: 96
Leadership: 97

Kanki
Strength: 93
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 96

Shin
Strength: 96
Intelligence: 89
Leadership: 95

Ouhon
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 94
Leadership: 92

Mouten
Strength: 90
Intelligence: 94
Leadership: 93

Kyoukai
Strength: 97
Intelligence: 93
Leadership: 91

Renpa
Strength: 98
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 98

Houken
Strength: 98
Intelligence: 0
Leadership: 0

Riboku
Strength: 91
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 98

Kanmei
Strength: 99
Intelligence: 94
Leadership: 95

Karin
Strength: 94
Intelligence: 98
Leadership: 94

Gohoumei
Strength: 70
Intelligence: 98
Leadership: 92

Gaimou
Strength: 97
Intelligence: 90
Leadership: 92

Keisha
Strength: 91
Intelligence: 97
Leadership: 92

Akou
Strength: 94
Intelligence: 93
Leadership: 93

Heki
Strength: 86
Intelligence: 91
Leadership: 92

Gyo'un
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 93
Leadership: 90

Bananji
Strength: 94
Intelligence: 92
Leadership: 91

Shoheikun
Strength: 95
Intelligence: 99
Leadership: 93

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Just for fun:

Spoiler: Old Qin 6

Ouki:
Strength 98
Intelligence 95
Leadership 97
Experience S

Hakuki:
Strength 93
Intelligence 99
Leadership 96
Experience S

Kyou:
Strength 94
Intelligence 95
Leadership 95
Experience A

Koshou
Strength ???
Intelligence 97
Leadership 93
Experience A

Oukotsu
Strength 96
Intelligence 88
Leadership 90

Shibasaku
Strength 94
Intelligence 96
Leadership 93

Spoiler: New Qin 6 + Duke + SHK

Moubu:
Strength 99
Intelligence 89
Leadership 95
Experience A+

Tou
Strength 95
Intelligence 95
Leadership 96
Experience S

Ousen
Strength 93
Intelligence 99
Leadership 96
Experience S

Yotanwa
Strength 95
Intelligence 96
Leadership 100
Experience S

Kanki
Strength 92
Intelligence 97
Leadership 93
Experience A

Shouheikun
Strength 96
Intelligence 98
Leadership 93
Experience .... B?

Duke Hyou
Strength 95
Instincts 100
Intelligence 90
Leadership 95
Experience S

Spoiler: Fire Dragons

Gokei
Strength 91
Intelligence 98
Leadership 94
Experience S(fck you Hara)

Gaimou
Strength 97
Intelligence 75
Leadership 84

Earl Shi
Strength 97
Intelligence 90
Leadership 90

Reiou
Strength ???
Intelligence 96
Leadership 93

Gouhoumei
Strength ???
Intelligence 97
Leadership 94

Spoiler: Chu Great Generals

Kanmei
Strength 99
Intelligence 90
Leadership 94
Experience S

Karin
Strength 94
Intelligence 97

Spoiler: Zhao Heavens

Renpa
Strength 96
Intelligence 97
Leadership 97
Experience SS

Rinshoujou
Strength ???
Intelligence 99
Leadership 96
Experience A

Chousha(pure speculation)
Strength 98
Intelligence 88
Leadership 90
Experience S

Houken
Strength 100
Intelligence 70
Leadership 30
Experience S

Riboku
Strength 89
Intelligence 100
Leadership 97
Experience S

Shibashou
Strength 100
Intelligence 92
Leadership 94
Experience B

@Elder Lee Hung @God Buggy @Owl Ki @FutureWarrior123 etc etc i'll offer any reasons, but some of these were extremely tough. I considered guessing for the 3 other old fire dragons lol.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Just for fun:

Spoiler: Old Qin 6

Ouki:
Strength 98
Intelligence 95
Leadership 97
Experience S

Hakuki:
Strength 93
Intelligence 99
Leadership 96
Experience S

Kyou:
Strength 94
Intelligence 95
Leadership 95
Experience A

Koshou
Strength ???
Intelligence 97
Leadership 93
Experience A

Oukotsu
Strength 96
Intelligence 88
Leadership 90

Shibasaku
Strength 94
Intelligence 96
Leadership 93

Spoiler: New Qin 6 + Duke + SHK

Moubu:
Strength 99
Intelligence 89
Leadership 95
Experience A+

Tou
Strength 95
Intelligence 95
Leadership 96
Experience S

Ousen
Strength 93
Intelligence 99
Leadership 96
Experience S

Yotanwa
Strength 95
Intelligence 96
Leadership 100
Experience S

Kanki
Strength 92
Intelligence 97
Leadership 93
Experience A

Shouheikun
Strength 96
Intelligence 98
Leadership 93
Experience .... B?

Duke Hyou
Strength 95
Instincts 100
Intelligence 90
Leadership 95
Experience S

Spoiler: Fire Dragons

Gokei
Strength 91
Intelligence 98
Leadership 94
Experience S(fck you Hara)

Gaimou
Strength 97
Intelligence 75
Leadership 84

Earl Shi
Strength 97
Intelligence 90
Leadership 90

Reiou
Strength ???
Intelligence 96
Leadership 93

Gouhoumei
Strength ???
Intelligence 97
Leadership 94

Spoiler: Chu Great Generals

Kanmei
Strength 99
Intelligence 90
Leadership 94
Experience S

Karin
Strength 94
Intelligence 97

Spoiler: Zhao Heavens

Renpa
Strength 96
Intelligence 97
Leadership 97
Experience SS

Rinshoujou
Strength ???
Intelligence 99
Leadership 96
Experience A

Chousha(pure speculation)
Strength 98
Intelligence 88
Leadership 90
Experience S

Houken
Strength 100
Intelligence 70
Leadership 30
Experience S

Riboku
Strength 89
Intelligence 100
Leadership 97
Experience S

Shibashou
Strength 100
Intelligence 92
Leadership 94
Experience B

@Elder Lee Hung @God Buggy @Owl Ki @FutureWarrior123 etc etc i'll offer any reasons, but some of these were extremely tough. I considered guessing for the 3 other old fire dragons lol.

My boy gave Lord Sheeb 100 strength lol. I’d probably give him a 99 for now.

Curious on a few minor things like why you gave Shouheikun a 98 INT when Hara gave him 99, or Moubu 99 Strength when Hara gave him 100, but overall good job and I agreed for the most part.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

My boy gave Lord Sheeb 100 strength lol. I’d probably give him a 99 for now.

Curious on a few minor things like why you gave Shouheikun a 98 INT when Hara gave him 99, or Moubu 99 Strength when Hara gave him 100, but overall good job and I agreed for the most part.

For Shouheikun, it's because of one scene primarily. It took Shouheikun many months to come up with a plan to take down Gyou. Ousen came up with one in.... What minutes? And I rate Ousen as 99. Though I think Shouheikun's intelligence will grow when he gets more experience as a battlefield commander

For Moubu, it's because what Man'U said about Kanmei being stronger than him. Plus I like the idea of Shibashou being the only other character with a 100. I think Moubu should still have some room to grow, and the ManU fight makes me think he will .

Though I have no objections to either of them being 99 or 100 respectively

What do you think about the Fire Dragons and Kouen.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

It took Shouheikun many months to come up with a plan to take down Gyou. Ousen came up with one in.... What minutes?

The majority of Shouheikun’s time was trying to plan something outside of the Gyou strategy. He knew Gyou was suicide and so he spent all that time trying to figure out strategies that weren’t so risky. Which failed. But Shouheikun pretty quickly realized Gyou was their only chance, he just didn’t want to accept that.

I do agree Ousen > Shouheikun but that Gyou scene is taken out of context a lot.

What do you think about the Fire Dragons and Kouen.

The Fire Dragons look great actually. I may stick to 96 with Earl Shi but overall they look good.

I don’t see Kou En on there? I only see Kanmei and Karin?

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

The majority of Shouheikun’s time was trying to plan something outside of the Gyou strategy. He knew Gyou was suicide and so he spent all that time trying to figure out strategies that weren’t so risky. Which failed. But Shouheikun pretty quickly realized Gyou was their only chance, he just didn’t want to accept that.

I do agree Ousen > Shouheikun but that Gyou scene is taken out of context a lot.



The Fire Dragons look great actually. I may stick to 96 with Earl Shi but overall they look good.

I don’t see Kou En on there? I only see Kanmei and Karin?

I fucked up the formatting

Here's what I have for Kouen:
Strength 99
Intelligence 98
Leadership 100
Experience SS

I think strength and intelligence can be lowered by 2-3 points but I'm confident on the experience and leadership stats.

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The majority of Shouheikun’s time was trying to plan something outside of the Gyou strategy. He knew Gyou was suicide and so he spent all that time trying to figure out strategies that weren’t so risky. Which failed. But Shouheikun pretty quickly realized Gyou was their only chance, he just didn’t want to accept that.

I do agree Ousen > Shouheikun but that Gyou scene is taken out of context a lot.



The Fire Dragons look great actually. I may stick to 96 with Earl Shi but overall they look good.

I don’t see Kou En on there? I only see Kanmei and Karin?

I gave Earl a 97 because he killed 3 Great Generals in a single conflict

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Here's what I have for Kouen:
Strength 99
Intelligence 98
Leadership 100
Experience SS

Hmmm well based on historical spoilers I might give him a 99 Int and 98 leadership or something like that. Intelligence seems like it may be Kou En’s best attribute, Renpa himself is already quoting Kou En lol.

I do agree Chu’s number one Great General is going to be a martial monster.

 

[Rumble]

Kou En had the longest service record in Chu history 6-7 years ago in the story.

Kou En is an old ass man.

Put this notion of him being a martial monster to bed.

 

[RayanOO]

Yeah Kou En should be in his old days

Renpa age at best

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But to be fair Gekishin or Renoa in their 60s look still quite in shape

 

[Rumble]

Yeah Kou En should be in his old days

Renpa age at best

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But to be fair Gekishin or Renoa in their 60s look still quite in shape

Right now he should be closer to 80 than 70.

At the rate the story is going, by the time Qin and Chu come head to head, he'll be closer to 90 than 70.

The man is so old, he has two badass sounding epithets: the Tiger of Chu and the Conqueror of the East.

Considering his status and service record in Chu, he probably earned both those titles throughout years battling the other states for the former territories of Qi after it was smashed by a Yan-led coalition army ~60 years ago.

The guy is gonna be old as hell, and likely all the more formidable for it.

 

[Bullet]

What i've been saying as well
I have no doubt despite his age he will still be a very strong dude and will give an injured Shin or whatever a decent fight but forget the top 1 nonsense
Oh the only guy i see above Kanmei is Kou En as if Kanmei didn't already call himself the strongest in China despite having served Kou En, not to forget the dude was old years ago and he won't fight for atleast another decade.

 

[Rumble]

I expect Kou En to be Gen Po tier in a fight.

Old old. Scarred, weather and tested in every which way imaginable.

It's my hope he takes Kou Yoku and Haku Rei under his wing and transforms them into absolute monsters capable of giving the Q3 a true rivalry.

 

[Bullet]

I expect Kou En to be Gen Po tier in a fight.

Kou En is being overestimated by some but this is absolutely disrespectful
Renpa is old as fuck so was Mougoat but they could fight
He's not top 1 but he's definitely gonna be capable of atleast slaying a Bananji

 

[RayanOO]

How I imagine Kou En lol

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If Kou En is really 70/80s : Kou En will be 93-94 / 100 leadership / 99 smart

with shit ton of weight

but o wouldn’t be surprised if Hara decides to make him a monster physically too

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Hmmm well based on historical spoilers I might give him a 99 Int and 98 leadership or something like that. Intelligence seems like it may be Kou En’s best attribute, Renpa himself is already quoting Kou En lol.

I do agree Chu’s number one Great General is going to be a martial monster.

Intelligence could be 99 for Kouen.

He seems very important to Chu and is the commander of chief of the largest military in China. My guess is the sight of him would transform a Chi army into demons. That's why I gave him a 100

All of the Chu generals we have seen play an important role in the story: Kanmei, Karin, Kouyoku, Hakurei, Rinbinkun, Man'U, etc etc all have considerable martial power except for the Juuko strategist.

That's why I think there's no way the best Chu General won't be a martial top tier.

 

[Rumble]

Kou En is being overestimated by some but this is absolutely disrespectful
Renpa is old as fuck so was Mougoat but they could fight
He's not top 1 but he's definitely gonna be capable of atleast slaying a Bananji

Ren Pa and Mou Gou are genetic freaks.

We have no reason to assume Kou En is.

The man is going to be ANCIENT.

 

[Bullet]

Kou En will have gg level dudes as vassals
I'm sure he'll have atleast 2 dudes close to that 6gg level

 

[Rumble]

Kou En will have gg level dudes as vassals
I'm sure he'll have atleast 2 dudes close to that 6gg level

I have faith Kou En will have vassals worthy of a man of his station.

It wouldn't shock me if his top 2 were both capable of putting Man'U in the dirt.