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Yeah he wasn't serious are u sure about that while he used a /laser beam / ursus shock / pad canon / named attack / deflected a slash and wanted to bring luffy's head and made Zoro tanking Luffy's damage even if he died and he explained his DF power and used its ability to the fullest .
anything Zoro can do u are trying to downplay it GTFOH With ur headcanons :gokulaugh::gokulaugh::gokulaugh::gokulaugh:
Kuma was working for Dragon. Kuma knew about Luffy when Ivankov didn't. That is not headcanon.
 
he did better than lucci tough:cheers:
and zoro still has asura
zoro shits on lucci
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zoro built different that s all
It's either bad faith or circular logic to use rookie as an insult to Luffy's attack speed compared to an attack that an injured, rookie Zoro dodged easily.
I was assuming it to be incorrect faulty circular logic rather than actively arguing in bad faith, but if you try to keep that position after it has been clearly explained I'll assume bad faith and stop wasting my time for today.
 
It's either bad faith or circular logic to use rookie as an insult to Luffy's attack speed compared to an attack that an injured, rookie Zoro dodged easily.
I was assuming it to be incorrect faulty circular logic rather than actively arguing in bad faith, but if you try to keep that position after it has been clearly explained I'll assume bad faith and stop wasting my time for today.
like i said zoro built different
zoro s reaction speed>>luffy s
zoro took on luffy s pain and fatigue on top of his pain and fatigue to
zoro was still standing
tb is the arc were zoro was >> luffy
 
Kuma was working for Dragon. Kuma knew about Luffy when Ivankov didn't. That is not headcanon.
Literally everyone down to the fodder survived Ursus Shock. So either Kuma wasn't being serious because of his connection to Dragon and was just testing the Straw Hats (Most probable scenario) or Kuma wasn't that strong to begin with. (Least probable) Funny how people don't get this...
 
like i said zoro built different
zoro s reaction speed>>luffy s
zoro took on luffy s pain and fatigue on top of his pain and fatigue to
zoro was still standing
tb is the arc were zoro was >> luffy
Circular logic it is then.
Zoro is faster, so zoro is faster.
Despite evidence to the contrary, because Zoro is faster that evidence doesn't matter, and Zoro is faster because Zoro is faster.
That is essentially what your argument boils down to, and while better than being a bad faith argument, it is equally as time wasting to continue this.
 
Zoro is the only SH that could have defeated Lucci, but he would lose most fights against him.

If Zoro wants to win he neeeds to use Ashura quickly, and on top of that he needs to hope that Lucci will face tank it like he did Luffy's G3. In these conditions Zoro might win.

Any other scenario Zoro loses. Even Luffy was on the floor defeated after using his new gears, and required Lucci to be distracted by Usopp from finishing him off.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Fatigue =/= damage.
He took two fucking rokuougans to the organs. Vs. fatiguing his system with nightmare luffy/ gear stacking .

He beat Moriah and fell asleep, those are the facts of the matter. He had to stay awake and was desperately struggling to move in Enies Lobby, he didn't try to stay awake.

Moriah didn't know he'd lost, but he was in the classic samurai clash cliche where the good samurai falls down before the bad samurai realises he's been killed and falls, this trope has been used many many times in OP and this was one such instance.

Zoro's damage and fatigue was a drop in the bucket compared to Luffy's, and Luffy was not bleeding signficantly, just ridiculously tired. If Luffy was woken up and told he had to take Zoro's damage he'd do it, and you know it.

If you assume the big stretch that Kuma didn't care if he killed his commander's son's subordinate: you can either say Zoro surviving is PIS of no deaths in OP or you can admit that Luffy who has never been portrayed as having less stamina or durability than Zoro would survive it as well.
Luffy didnt even know moriah lost

Moriah was still awake after luffy shut down.

The shadows and combining gears were killing him.

Lucci didnt do shit compared to what he went through in thriller bark.
 
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Stfu you lying illiterate waste of time.

Luffy didnt even know moriah lost

Moriah was still awake after luffy shut down.

The shadows and combining gears were killing him.

Lucci didnt do shit compared to what he went through in thriller bark.
Stop speedreading.

Two organ blasting techniques are more damaging than any attack Luffy took in Thriller bark. Stop speedreading.

MORIAH WAS SPITTING UP SHADOWS as Luffy went unconcsious, after Luffy had proudly and confidently told his shadow to come back to him. The fodders fucking cheered before Luffy flew away deflated. Stop speedreading.

Before the gear stacking "Gomu Dakara" Luffy is healthier than the bleeding from the head, shoulders down pre gattling Luffy. Stop speedreading.

Go re-read 427,482 (and look at 483 to see that Luffy is not that beaten or bloody) and by re-read I mean read for the first time without skipping details.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Stop speedreading.

Two organ blasting techniques are more damaging than any attack Luffy took in Thriller bark. Stop speedreading.

MORIAH WAS SPITTING UP SHADOWS as Luffy went unconcsious, after Luffy had proudly and confidently told his shadow to come back to him. The fodders fucking cheered before Luffy flew away deflated. Stop speedreading.

Before the gear stacking "Gomu Dakara" Luffy is healthier than the bleeding from the head, shoulders down pre gattling Luffy. Stop speedreading.

Go re-read 427,482 (and look at 483 to see that Luffy is not that beaten or bloody) and by re-read I mean read for the first time without skipping details.
Lmfao its unarguable you dont have a point

After lucci luffy couldnt move but was fully conscious


BEFORE MORIAH EVEN LOST luffys body shut down


Tb luffy > el luffy in everything

So if tb luffy was out it means he took more than he did in el.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Lol no. It goes beyond simple fights even if they are part of it.

Read the thread title and think about what I mean

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I have nothing against Sanji remaining in M3 BUT it should happen because Sanji deserves it and justifies it, if he does.
Not because Oda has to dumb down Jinbe just because he cant make Sanji look better than him otherwise.
Jinbe is a straight-up monster and Sanji being above him is really a hard sell at this point.
 
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