Future Events Luffy and Zoro's feats vs Yonko makes Sanji beating King more likely
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Not like Sanji hasn't been consistently trashing Vets and dealing with them with ease in base
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Oda is the type to take major advantage of situations against Sanji, so he can use him as a hypetool.
- Vergo: Sanji was nerfed
- Doflamingo: Sanji didn't know how his DF worked
- Vin bros and Judge: Constantly threatening him with Zeff
- Yuen: Sanji holding Luffy and getting distracted by Pekoms being killed
When plot isn't against Sanji, he performs.
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Oda is the type to take major advantage of situations against Sanji, so he can use him as a hypetool.
- Vergo: Sanji was nerfed
- Doflamingo: Sanji didn't know how his DF worked
- Vin bros and Judge: Constantly threatening him with Zeff
- Yuen: Sanji holding Luffy and getting distracted by Pekoms being killed
When plot isn't against Sanji, he performs.
Not like Sanji hasn't been consistently trashing Vets and dealing with them with ease in base
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Oda is the type to take major advantage of situations against Sanji, so he can use him as a hypetool.
- Vergo: Sanji was nerfed
- Doflamingo: Sanji didn't know how his DF worked
- Vin bros and Judge: Constantly threatening him with Zeff
- Yuen: Sanji holding Luffy and getting distracted by Pekoms being killed
When plot isn't against Sanji, he performs.
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Oda is the type to take major advantage of situations against Sanji, so he can use him as a hypetool.
- Vergo: Sanji was nerfed
- Doflamingo: Sanji didn't know how his DF worked
- Vin bros and Judge: Constantly threatening him with Zeff
- Yuen: Sanji holding Luffy and getting distracted by Pekoms being killed
When plot isn't against Sanji, he performs.
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That’s the thing bruv. Like you already got the weaker Straw Hats going in as massive underdogs yet the 3rd guy in Sanji is going to settle for less because his resume doesn’t stack up? We’ve done been through enough arcs to know why what’s been the case in previous arcs don’t dictate what could be the case for the next ones.
Sanji is superior to Yonji even without his RS
And Yonji is solidly Vet lvl
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Then you also have him call P1 an idiot that he could handle easily
And he was right, cause he deaded him for 2 weeks. Sanji ain't weak. Just has been in a lot of unfair situations and didn't get to redeem himself.
And Yonji is solidly Vet lvl
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Then you also have him call P1 an idiot that he could handle easily
And he was right, cause he deaded him for 2 weeks. Sanji ain't weak. Just has been in a lot of unfair situations and didn't get to redeem himself.
It could happen but I doubt it.
It's not just that going from getting shat on by Doflamingo, Vergo, etc to soloing King doesn't make that much sense powerscaling wise.
But also Story wise, he has more reasons to face off against Queen :
-Queen mentionned Judge and uses tech based techniques just like Sanji with his RS.
-Sanji tends to fight off against the meme type opponent (Mr2, Jyabura, Absalom).
-Similar personalities : Both simps.
So yeah, feels like Oda designed Queen to face off against Sanji.
If Zoro wasn't such a chad and went for Kaido, it would've definitely been Zoro vs King and Sanji vs Queen.
Now that Zoro isn't fighting King, it feels like Oda replaced him with Marco whom is very similar to King in fighting style (Phoenix vs Pteranodon).
So since Marco is now fighting both, I'm guessing Sanji will take care of Queen for Marco.
It's not just that going from getting shat on by Doflamingo, Vergo, etc to soloing King doesn't make that much sense powerscaling wise.
But also Story wise, he has more reasons to face off against Queen :
-Queen mentionned Judge and uses tech based techniques just like Sanji with his RS.
-Sanji tends to fight off against the meme type opponent (Mr2, Jyabura, Absalom).
-Similar personalities : Both simps.
So yeah, feels like Oda designed Queen to face off against Sanji.
If Zoro wasn't such a chad and went for Kaido, it would've definitely been Zoro vs King and Sanji vs Queen.
Now that Zoro isn't fighting King, it feels like Oda replaced him with Marco whom is very similar to King in fighting style (Phoenix vs Pteranodon).
So since Marco is now fighting both, I'm guessing Sanji will take care of Queen for Marco.
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Not really. Luffy and Zoro‘s feats haven’t stopped Jinbei from having to settle for Who’s Who instead of Jack.
Queen is still far and away the most likely candidate for Sanji to fight, because there’s so far no reason to think that Marco is going down or leaving King alone, and Queen’s interest with Sanji because of Judge is an actual unexplored plotline that needs to be touched on. If Sanji never sees King again nothing changes, the same way Yamato doesn’t need to run into Ulti again despite them fighting earlier in the arc. But if Sanji never interacts with Queen at all the question is why even make the plotline?
There’s a lot of gymnastics to try and explain away that Queen’s relationship with Judge is somehow meaningless to Sanji when really the simple answer is the right one- it’s to set up a fight between the two. Much the same way that - and I did a bit of this myself- there was gymnastics to try and say that Jinbei and WW having some sort of history really didn’t mean anything and he was still going to get Jack. When again the same simple logic applies- the plotpoint because they are going to fight.
And in the same vein, Marco’s Wano introduction giving him and King one of the clearest parallels between characters we’ve ever seen? It‘s because the two are going to fight.
Queen is still far and away the most likely candidate for Sanji to fight, because there’s so far no reason to think that Marco is going down or leaving King alone, and Queen’s interest with Sanji because of Judge is an actual unexplored plotline that needs to be touched on. If Sanji never sees King again nothing changes, the same way Yamato doesn’t need to run into Ulti again despite them fighting earlier in the arc. But if Sanji never interacts with Queen at all the question is why even make the plotline?
There’s a lot of gymnastics to try and explain away that Queen’s relationship with Judge is somehow meaningless to Sanji when really the simple answer is the right one- it’s to set up a fight between the two. Much the same way that - and I did a bit of this myself- there was gymnastics to try and say that Jinbei and WW having some sort of history really didn’t mean anything and he was still going to get Jack. When again the same simple logic applies- the plotpoint because they are going to fight.
And in the same vein, Marco’s Wano introduction giving him and King one of the clearest parallels between characters we’ve ever seen? It‘s because the two are going to fight.
The argument is more about the flawed arguments presented for why Sanji fights King (mostly based on Zoro actually) that it being "impossible" for Sanji to defeat King.
It is quite disingenuous to bring up Sasaki and Franky, Nami and Ulti, Robin and Brook v Maria because you are clearly ignoring the context.
>Sasaki is in his weakest form fighting Franky in his strongest form. Also Franky hasn't failed in his strongest form against a Sasaki level opponent for us to claim he got a boost or some sort
>Ulti easily defeated Nami and Ussop with them getting saved by Tama and constantly running
>Robin and Brook v Maria is going to be a 2 v 1. With non of those characters showing their limits.
Sanji is out of King's range (for a solo fight) because he got knocked out by King in his weakest form. Not only that, his RS stats all scale to his siblings bar the special ability of invisibility. This means , if Sanji tanks an attack in RS (with the RS not getting destroyed) then it means all Vins can do the same (insert King's beak attack knocking out Sanji and not damaging the suit)
This same argument wasn't used for Zoro. The argument used for Zoro wasn't that his limit was reached it that he was somehow not at X level because he hasn't defeated X character. It wasn't because he was dominated by someone or paired with someone to perform similar feats but rather his relationship with Sanji.....non if these Sanji fans believed during Wano Arc ygadr Sanji will fight King. That notion came as a troll against Zoro fans. But now when Zoro is fighting the Yonkou, these people elevate Sanji to King because of Zoro. Hence, there hasn't been a valid argument presented.
It is quite disingenuous to bring up Sasaki and Franky, Nami and Ulti, Robin and Brook v Maria because you are clearly ignoring the context.
>Sasaki is in his weakest form fighting Franky in his strongest form. Also Franky hasn't failed in his strongest form against a Sasaki level opponent for us to claim he got a boost or some sort
>Ulti easily defeated Nami and Ussop with them getting saved by Tama and constantly running
>Robin and Brook v Maria is going to be a 2 v 1. With non of those characters showing their limits.
Sanji is out of King's range (for a solo fight) because he got knocked out by King in his weakest form. Not only that, his RS stats all scale to his siblings bar the special ability of invisibility. This means , if Sanji tanks an attack in RS (with the RS not getting destroyed) then it means all Vins can do the same (insert King's beak attack knocking out Sanji and not damaging the suit)
This same argument wasn't used for Zoro. The argument used for Zoro wasn't that his limit was reached it that he was somehow not at X level because he hasn't defeated X character. It wasn't because he was dominated by someone or paired with someone to perform similar feats but rather his relationship with Sanji.....non if these Sanji fans believed during Wano Arc ygadr Sanji will fight King. That notion came as a troll against Zoro fans. But now when Zoro is fighting the Yonkou, these people elevate Sanji to King because of Zoro. Hence, there hasn't been a valid argument presented.
At this point is obvious, how can someone still deny it?
Moreover, Drake and Chopper's links with Queen are way stronger than anything that links Sanji to Queen.
There are a lot of tiny details that made Sanji vs Queen probable a while ago, but the deeper we got into the raid, the more Sanji went towards King (design, fighting style, the clash and their interaction, Momo, the scabbards) and Queen was focused on Drake and Chopper.
This except Queen knowing Judge, another scientist.
Jinbe is not part of the M3 and never will and WsW might be even stronger than Jack.
Moreover, Drake and Chopper's links with Queen are way stronger than anything that links Sanji to Queen.
There are a lot of tiny details that made Sanji vs Queen probable a while ago, but the deeper we got into the raid, the more Sanji went towards King (design, fighting style, the clash and their interaction, Momo, the scabbards) and Queen was focused on Drake and Chopper.
This except Queen knowing Judge, another scientist.
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Jinbe is not part of the M3 and never will and WsW might be even stronger than Jack.
I think Sani vs King is a real possibility. Aesthetically would be a really fun fight to watch.
For the Queen connection, I don't think Oda will have Sanji's main conflict being connected to Germa again. If it was then I think Oda would put a lot more emphasis on Sanji using the RS during his fight with Queen. Rather than Sani really having no issue using it.
The Queen comment could also be similar to Caesars comment to Judge during WCI. Just further world building that connects all these characters to Vegapunk and will probably be shown in a flashback.
For the Queen connection, I don't think Oda will have Sanji's main conflict being connected to Germa again. If it was then I think Oda would put a lot more emphasis on Sanji using the RS during his fight with Queen. Rather than Sani really having no issue using it.
The Queen comment could also be similar to Caesars comment to Judge during WCI. Just further world building that connects all these characters to Vegapunk and will probably be shown in a flashback.
Pretty much this, Queen has a clear grudge against Drake and Chopper. Anyone who thinks he's fighting Sanji is just trolling at this point. Sanji resolved his storyline with Judge, Queen adds nothing.
The other argument is Marco fighting King but every person fighting Kaido and Flying 6 right now is a SH or New Gen. Marco ain't either.
This arc is all about the New Gen taking over The Old.
The other argument is Marco fighting King but every person fighting Kaido and Flying 6 right now is a SH or New Gen. Marco ain't either.
This arc is all about the New Gen taking over The Old.
1- No you care about Zoro. You care a lot. Furthermore this started when the anime showcased King hitting Big Mom’s ship with a flaming kick and it started as a troll/joke.
3 - No.
I did not say that it makes sense. I said that if it happens (possibility) will be because it makes sense story and character wise (implying here that it does not make sense story and character wise yet) which that Oda will building it up. Which he did not do yet.
3 - No.
I did not say that it makes sense. I said that if it happens (possibility) will be because it makes sense story and character wise (implying here that it does not make sense story and character wise yet) which that Oda will building it up. Which he did not do yet.