General & Others Luffy having a Nika Fruit, does not change anything. Luffy is the best fighter in the series.

#83
He fought wild animals as a kid. That's a form of physical training bro.

Also I don't have the panel but luffy said to one of the straw hats he wanted to train so he ran around an island on his hands. Soooo he does work on his physique, he just does it in unorthodox methods.
 
#84
He never trained his physical strength in his life.
Remember he spent 10 years mastering control of his fruit, INSTEAD of training his physical strength
luffy training his fruit for 10 year = physical strength training for 10 years.
If luffy didn't do any physical strength in the time skip he wouldn't been able to one hit a Pacifista after the time skip.
 
#86
luffy training his fruit for 10 year = physical strength training for 10 years.
If luffy didn't do any physical strength in the time skip he wouldn't been able to one hit a Pacifista after the time skip.
His physical strength that he has is from hsi genes. Taht is his natural physical strength. He only worked on his usage of his devil fruit, mastering Gear 2 and 3 and haki.

He used Haki and mastered Gear 2 to beat the pacifista.
 
#87
Luffy having the Nika Fruit balances out the scales.

It still Luffy's Power. The fruit CHOSE him due to his potential, charisma, personality and willpower. The fruit had been running away from the World Gov for 800 years.

Luffy had said the same words as Roger BEFORE he ate the fruit.

He was also born with Voice of All Things and was born a D.

Luffy also wanted to be a pirate BEFORE he met Shanks. The vivre card databook stated this.

Saying the same words as Roger means he has been searching for freedom since he was born.

Luffy embodied Joyboy's ideals from the moment he was born. This is why the fruit chose him.

Luffy's charisma was so overpowering that it attracted the fruit and made Shanks stay at fusha village for 1 year.


Luffy is strong without his Devil Fruit

Oda made sure to show Luffy clashing with hybrid kaido without using his devil fruit.

He also made sure to show how powerful Luffy was without his devil fruit and haki in udon prison, when he was in seastone cuffs. He still had OP physical strength.

Luffy's 3 advanced forms of haki is his power.

Luffy's creativity and physical strength allow this fruit to be this powerful.

Luffy still had to lose life force when using this fruit. No other Zoan has the user losing life force.


Luffy is still the most impressive fighter in the series.

Luffy is still the most impressive person other than Roger

Luffy never worked on his physical strength in his life( until wano udon prison), never had any martial arts training, nor does he have any weapons training.

He also fights barehanded and made it to Yonko level without an Awakened Devil Fruit.

Look at all the other top tiers, they all have weapons, martial arts training and OP devil fruits.

Did not travel under anybody.

He is mostly self taught, other than learning basics of 3 haki from Rayleigh. Luffy is extremely talented in haki naturally as Rayleigh had stated,

Figuring out how to use his devil by himself and fight by himself. Thrown into a jungle and told to survive on his own.



Here are a list of Fighters below.

Garp- Recieved Marine Training(Knows Swordsmanship and Martial arts). Trained Physically. Taught professionally. OP Haki

Sengoku- Recieved Marine Training(Knows Swordsmanship and Martial arts). Trained Physically Taught professionally, and Has OP Devil Fruit, Have good Haki

All 3 Admirals are like Sengoku, Broken Devil Fruits, Good Haki

Koby- Recieved Marine Training(Knows Swordsmanship and Martial arts). Trained Physically. Taught professionally.


Yonko- Have OP Devil Fruits, Have Strong Weapons, Have OP Haki

Supernova's

Zoro - Professionaly trained as a kid in Swordsmanship, learned advanced Haki concepts as a kid, Trained Physically all the time, Trained professionally in his fighting style with Mihawk WSS. Taught haki by Mihawk Got OP Swords, plus Enma - a Special Sword(only sword to scar kaido), that allows Zoro to output more power than he can do naturally, and it unlocked COC -+ ADV COC for him, also took Kinemons Firestyle abiloity to generate and cut fire.

Law- HAS AN Beyond Brokem Devil Fruit, Strong Haki, Taught Proffesionally as fighter, Taught Swordsmanshio by Diamante, Taught Martial artsy lao J, Taught Marksmanship by Trebol, Taught Medicine which all happened at a young age.

Hawkins- Proffesionally trained in marines Swordsmanship, physical strength training, has a good devil fruit, Haki

Sanji( not supernova)- Recieved Swordsmanship trianing as Kid, Recieved Martial arts training, trained professionally. Has Haki, Has GEneically modified OP durable body, Diable Jumble firestyle, Ifrt jumble

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Luffy is still the best fighter in the series imo. He didnt have any graded sword that was sharp from the beginning. He had to learn about tensile strength and its utility since a child, just to form a proper punch. Before he was able to apply that in his attacks, then his DF was the weakest DF ever, useless in combat. To create 4 gears, he had to master his anatomy and even histology, studying his bodily tissues, how to locate differentiate them to concentrate his rubbery powers the most to produce different effect. If anyone want to wank Luffy, just remember that Luffy must know which blood vessels to elasticize the most every time and had to calculate the most proper cardiac output for his heart physiology to pump maximum amount of blood without exploding his body. Thats Gear 2. Before awakening, all that is owned by Nika fruit is rubbery body which is very ineffective in battle because you have to reach proper tension and compression first unlike regular muscle etc. But by that ineffective fruit, Luffy still managed to fight a freakin WSC (highest natural endurance in the series, highest combat talent in the series that can imitate a movement technique in minutes of observation) using a dragon fruit (automatic durability buff, innate power to create elemental thunderstorms) to an equal match to some extent.
 
#88
Luffy is still the best fighter in the series imo. He didnt have any graded sword that was sharp from the beginning. He had to learn about tensile strength and its utility since a child, just to form a proper punch. Before he was able to apply that in his attacks, then his DF was the weakest DF ever, useless in combat. To create 4 gears, he had to master his anatomy and even histology, studying his bodily tissues, how to locate differentiate them to concentrate his rubbery powers the most to produce different effect. If anyone want to wank Luffy, just remember that Luffy must know which blood vessels to elasticize the most every time and had to calculate the most proper cardiac output for his heart physiology to pump maximum amount of blood without exploding his body. Thats Gear 2. Before awakening, all that is owned by Nika fruit is rubbery body which is very ineffective in battle because you have to reach proper tension and compression first unlike regular muscle etc. But by that ineffective fruit, Luffy still managed to fight a freakin WSC (highest natural endurance in the series, highest combat talent in the series that can imitate a movement technique in minutes of observation) using a dragon fruit (automatic durability buff, innate power to create elemental thunderstorms) to an equal match to some extent.
Exactly, he is the most skilled fighter in the manga
 
#89
Best fighter, yet every important fight that he won both pre ts and post ts were won thru his Devil Fruit. The matter of the fact is that Luffy right now would actually be the dead if it weren't for the God God no Mi. Every durability, strength and endurance extreme feat that he accomplished, was thanks to his Mythical Zoan fruit, fruit that actually gives boosts on all of that.
The worst part is that despite having the Mythical Fruit God God no Mi, Zoro, as a normal human, was and will always be the toughest in the group. ✌️
 
#92
He only worked on his usage of his devil fruit
every time luffy wanted to use any gomu attacks he would need to put enough force behind it for his body to stretch so he would need to strengthen his body to put enough force to make his body stretch, so him training his DF was strength training and how would him fighting garp,his brothers and wild animals not be strength training.
He only worked on his usage of his devil fruit, mastering Gear 2 and 3 and haki.
yeah how would mastering gear 3 a technique that makes luffys limbs dozons of times larger and dozens and dozens times heavier wouldnt be strength traning.:sus:
He used Haki and mastered Gear 2 to beat the pacifista.
the level that luffy was with his CoA wouldnt make his attacks many time stronger and he destroyed a Pacifista with a single non hardened jet pistol while only using gear 2 on only his arm vs moster trio combo attack that luffy used one of his strongest gear 2 attack but still couldnt take it out, so theres no way luffys CoA and gear 2 on one arm would make luffys jet pistol that much and there nothing that has been shown or been said that gear 2 power wise got stronger ,luffy doesnt get winded that much from it and is able to use a single limb to use it thats all
 
#93
every time luffy wanted to use any gomu attacks he would need to put enough force behind it for his body to stretch so he would need to strengthen his body to put enough force to make his body stretch, so him training his DF was strength training and how would him fighting garp,his brothers and wild animals not be strength training.
yeah how would mastering gear 3 a technique that makes luffys limbs dozons of times larger and dozens and dozens times heavier wouldnt be strength traning.:sus:
the level that luffy was with his CoA wouldnt make his attacks many time stronger and he destroyed a Pacifista with a single non hardened jet pistol while only using gear 2 on only his arm vs moster trio combo attack that luffy used one of his strongest gear 2 attack but still couldnt take it out, so theres no way luffys CoA and gear 2 on one arm would make luffys jet pistol that much and there nothing that has been shown or been said that gear 2 power wise got stronger ,luffy doesnt get winded that much from it and is able to use a single limb to use it thats all
That level of COA makes his attacks many times stronger. We know this as it was shown in whole cake island, that luffy could not break past one of perespeor's constructs without using haki.
 
#94
His brother Sabo only recently got a devil fruit and he was strong without. If Luffy never had a devil fruit he would still be strong with a different fighting style just like Sabo.
by his logic any DF users out there, even admirals are nothing without it, garp shanks and mihawk, are good without df, and those guys are no different with those admirals who knows how to use Ryo, without DF they will probably master different things, either some weapon, or martial arts. i only think of DF as tools, like a computer for example, anyone can get it, but not anyone can master stuff like programming, designer etc.
 
#95
Luffy having the Nika Fruit balances out the scales.

It still Luffy's Power. The fruit CHOSE him due to his potential, charisma, personality and willpower. The fruit had been running away from the World Gov for 800 years.

Luffy had said the same words as Roger BEFORE he ate the fruit.

He was also born with Voice of All Things and was born a D.

Luffy also wanted to be a pirate BEFORE he met Shanks. The vivre card databook stated this.

Saying the same words as Roger means he has been searching for freedom since he was born.

Luffy embodied Joyboy's ideals from the moment he was born. This is why the fruit chose him.

Luffy's charisma was so overpowering that it attracted the fruit and made Shanks stay at fusha village for 1 year.


Luffy is strong without his Devil Fruit

Oda made sure to show Luffy clashing with hybrid kaido without using his devil fruit.

He also made sure to show how powerful Luffy was without his devil fruit and haki in udon prison, when he was in seastone cuffs. He still had OP physical strength.

Luffy's 3 advanced forms of haki is his power.

Luffy's creativity and physical strength allow this fruit to be this powerful.

Luffy still had to lose life force when using this fruit. No other Zoan has the user losing life force.


Luffy is still the most impressive fighter in the series.

Luffy is still the most impressive person other than Roger

Luffy never worked on his physical strength in his life( until wano udon prison), never had any martial arts training, nor does he have any weapons training.

He also fights barehanded and made it to Yonko level without an Awakened Devil Fruit.

Look at all the other top tiers, they all have weapons, martial arts training and OP devil fruits.

Did not travel under anybody.

He is mostly self taught, other than learning basics of 3 haki from Rayleigh. Luffy is extremely talented in haki naturally as Rayleigh had stated,

Figuring out how to use his devil by himself and fight by himself. Thrown into a jungle and told to survive on his own.



Here are a list of Fighters below.

Garp- Recieved Marine Training(Knows Swordsmanship and Martial arts). Trained Physically. Taught professionally. OP Haki

Sengoku- Recieved Marine Training(Knows Swordsmanship and Martial arts). Trained Physically Taught professionally, and Has OP Devil Fruit, Have good Haki

All 3 Admirals are like Sengoku, Broken Devil Fruits, Good Haki

Koby- Recieved Marine Training(Knows Swordsmanship and Martial arts). Trained Physically. Taught professionally.


Yonko- Have OP Devil Fruits, Have Strong Weapons, Have OP Haki

Supernova's

Zoro - Professionaly trained as a kid in Swordsmanship, learned advanced Haki concepts as a kid, Trained Physically all the time, Trained professionally in his fighting style with Mihawk WSS. Taught haki by Mihawk Got OP Swords, plus Enma - a Special Sword(only sword to scar kaido), that allows Zoro to output more power than he can do naturally, and it unlocked COC -+ ADV COC for him, also took Kinemons Firestyle abiloity to generate and cut fire.

Law- HAS AN Beyond Brokem Devil Fruit, Strong Haki, Taught Proffesionally as fighter, Taught Swordsmanshio by Diamante, Taught Martial artsy lao J, Taught Marksmanship by Trebol, Taught Medicine which all happened at a young age.

Hawkins- Proffesionally trained in marines Swordsmanship, physical strength training, has a good devil fruit, Haki

Sanji( not supernova)- Recieved Swordsmanship trianing as Kid, Recieved Martial arts training, trained professionally. Has Haki, Has GEneically modified OP durable body, Diable Jumble firestyle, Ifrt jumble

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YES! Luffy would still be able to clash with too tiers without heis fruit. He is amazing!
 
#96
Are you an idiot?
Stop your obfuscation clearly Mihawk. Trolltard.
The fuck are you on about, since when did Zoro train as a kid with Mihawk? Are you out of your goddamn mind?

He only trained with Mihawk in the timeskip, not before, and Mihawk only taught him Haki, not sword techniques, just like Rayleigh taught Luffy...Soo Saying Zoro got more training than Luffy is just wrong, at least bother to read what the discussion is about before jumping in like an idiot, will you?
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#97
The fuck are you on about, since when did Zoro train as a kid with Mihawk? Are you out of your goddamn mind?

He only trained with Mihawk in the timeskip, not before, and Mihawk only taught him Haki, not sword techniques, just like Rayleigh taught Luffy...Soo Saying Zoro got more training than Luffy is just wrong, at least bother to read what we are discussion before jumping in like an idiot, will you?
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Not my problem, I told you the facts, Zoro had gotten taught by two people that are in his field of martial arts, Luffy had gotten nothing but Haki training and some physical strengthening training.
Get wrecked.
 
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