Future Events Luffy vs Saturn or Luffy vs Kizaru Round 2 which do you think is most likely to happen at this point?
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Morj and Grand Line Review saying in their videos that Luffy and Kizaru are clearly set up for round 2 but @Pringles and @Durableguy STILL pretending it’s just agenda heads on this from pushing it and not clearly telegraphed by the last chapter is funny lmfao
Because he is Spandam. Egghead is pretty much Enies Lobby 2.0 even down to some of the roles and plot points. Saturn is the scummy WG villain responsible for all the pain(Spandam) and has his big gun with him(Lucci) which is Kizaru.
In Enies Lobby, Luffy's role was to stop Lucci cause he was the only one strong enough, which is exactly the same as Luffy and Kizaru. I believe Round 2 will happen, but I doubt it would be conclusive. Luffy has to get involved with Saturn and that Robot and the light distorting gloves are still factors.
In Enies Lobby, Luffy's role was to stop Lucci cause he was the only one strong enough, which is exactly the same as Luffy and Kizaru. I believe Round 2 will happen, but I doubt it would be conclusive. Luffy has to get involved with Saturn and that Robot and the light distorting gloves are still factors.
We both know what Morj's opinion is worth, dude said the raid would fail in Wano.
GrandLineReview made a video on the resin theory I posted back then and credited me and you respect his opinion better than mine?
Or the same GrandLineReview who said that the Grand Fleet was coming to Egghead last week?
Come on now Kinyagi. I'm sure you respect my opinion better than that.
GrandLineReview made a video on the resin theory I posted back then and credited me and you respect his opinion better than mine?
Or the same GrandLineReview who said that the Grand Fleet was coming to Egghead last week?
Come on now Kinyagi. I'm sure you respect my opinion better than that.
The point is that they’re literally not admiral fans, and are coming to the same conclusion. GLR is literally a Yonko stan.
If they’re reading the chapter and getting the vibe that Luffy vs Kizaru round 2 is imminent what does that imply?
If they’re reading the chapter and getting the vibe that Luffy vs Kizaru round 2 is imminent what does that imply?
Them being big YouTubers does not mean that what they say holds more value than what I say.
Also, I never said that it was impossible for Luffy to fight Kizaru again, this isn't what I'm even arguing in the first place.
All I'm saying is that Luffy will focus on Saturn and will defeat him. Kizaru is merely a corporate slave that is conflicted.
If he wants to interfere then Luffy will have to go through him before going through Saturn but I don't see Luffy defeating both Kizaru and Saturn in this fight.
What I see instead is that when the Straw Hats escape, with Vegapunk/Kuma/Bonney, with the Ancient Robot carrying the Sunny and replacing Vegaforce, Saturn will order Kizaru to stop them and he will go after them but Luffy will be busy with Saturn and that's where Zoro may play his role against Kizaru and knock him out, mirroring the moment in Sabaody.
Back in chapter 1090 we were introduced to the log pose Vegapunk has which points towards Elbaf, which was also going to be their origional escape plan before Kizaru destroyed the Vegaforce 01.
Clearly Elbaf is the next Island the crew is going to travel to, nobody would argue with that. Dorry and Broggy have just shown up at Egghead from Elbaf (most likely with Saul as well, but that's a different conversation), which indicates that Oda is beginning the transition from Egghead to Elbaf.
Bonney and Kuma's story is at its climax, the pacafistas turning on the marines to save Bonney is a continuation of this plotline, and Bonney's quest for justice for her father (which has been the catalyst for her character all along) is coming to a head with her now seeing Luffy's true form as Nika and having Kuma's actions be fully justified. All that is left is for Saturn himself to be defeated/destroyed.
Zoro, as of 1106, is still fighting Lucci. Hence why Jinbe was sent to find him and tell him to wrap it up so they can escape.
Maybe the next time we see Zoro he'll have already defeated Lucci, but that isn't in Oda's style. Zoro is going to get at least a few pages to show Lucci how much he's grown, similar to what Luffy got earlier on. Zoro has also been fighting Lucci all this time, so him going straight from that to holding off Kizaru seems like a lot. Even Luffy needed a moment to recover from fighting Lucci.
No, Kizaru is not the main antagonist of this arc. Saturn has been the person orchestrating the raid, he's the one that basically did every evil to Kuma in his lifetime, he's the one that took Kuma from Bonney, he's the one who is ordering Kizaru to do something he doesn't want to do. He's also the one who just (likely) killed Vegapunk.
However, so far, he HAS been Luffy's main fight. Kizaru was said to be "someone very powerful" by Luffy, he is who Luffy bragged to about being 100x stronger than before, he is the person Luffy said was his job to hold off from the rest of the crew, and he is who Luffy has focused 99% of his attention on since coming to the island.
Kizaru continuing to be Luffy's fight is not something born from favoritism or agenda, its just a continuation of what we've already seen from them this arc.
Again, Luffy and Kizaru were intentionally double KO'd when Saturn became the main threat on the island. Once Kizaru got back up, Luffy followed right after to prevent him from hurting Bonney and Kuma.
That's not to say we are going to see Luffy and Kizaru throw hands like previous Luffy opponents in the next few chapters, I actually don't think that will be the case. People will probably complain about it, but this arc is really not about fighting. That said its clearly been portrayed that its Luffy's job to keep Kizaru occupied, otherwise he's too big of a threat to everyone else around, as we saw last chapter and in 1091 and 1092.
I completely agree with you. Where I disagree is the extent to which Luffy has to actually engage with Saturn for this to still happen. Again, Luffy WILL punch Saturn the way he punched Charlos. Does that mean he needs a full drawn out fight against him for this to happen? No. Especially not when he already has a character he's been fighting this arc that still needs to be dealt with.
Clearly Elbaf is the next Island the crew is going to travel to, nobody would argue with that. Dorry and Broggy have just shown up at Egghead from Elbaf (most likely with Saul as well, but that's a different conversation), which indicates that Oda is beginning the transition from Egghead to Elbaf.
Bonney and Kuma's story is at its climax, the pacafistas turning on the marines to save Bonney is a continuation of this plotline, and Bonney's quest for justice for her father (which has been the catalyst for her character all along) is coming to a head with her now seeing Luffy's true form as Nika and having Kuma's actions be fully justified. All that is left is for Saturn himself to be defeated/destroyed.
Zoro, as of 1106, is still fighting Lucci. Hence why Jinbe was sent to find him and tell him to wrap it up so they can escape.
Maybe the next time we see Zoro he'll have already defeated Lucci, but that isn't in Oda's style. Zoro is going to get at least a few pages to show Lucci how much he's grown, similar to what Luffy got earlier on. Zoro has also been fighting Lucci all this time, so him going straight from that to holding off Kizaru seems like a lot. Even Luffy needed a moment to recover from fighting Lucci.
No, Kizaru is not the main antagonist of this arc. Saturn has been the person orchestrating the raid, he's the one that basically did every evil to Kuma in his lifetime, he's the one that took Kuma from Bonney, he's the one who is ordering Kizaru to do something he doesn't want to do. He's also the one who just (likely) killed Vegapunk.
However, so far, he HAS been Luffy's main fight. Kizaru was said to be "someone very powerful" by Luffy, he is who Luffy bragged to about being 100x stronger than before, he is the person Luffy said was his job to hold off from the rest of the crew, and he is who Luffy has focused 99% of his attention on since coming to the island.
Kizaru continuing to be Luffy's fight is not something born from favoritism or agenda, its just a continuation of what we've already seen from them this arc.
Again, Luffy and Kizaru were intentionally double KO'd when Saturn became the main threat on the island. Once Kizaru got back up, Luffy followed right after to prevent him from hurting Bonney and Kuma.
That's not to say we are going to see Luffy and Kizaru throw hands like previous Luffy opponents in the next few chapters, I actually don't think that will be the case. People will probably complain about it, but this arc is really not about fighting. That said its clearly been portrayed that its Luffy's job to keep Kizaru occupied, otherwise he's too big of a threat to everyone else around, as we saw last chapter and in 1091 and 1092.
I completely agree with you. Where I disagree is the extent to which Luffy has to actually engage with Saturn for this to still happen. Again, Luffy WILL punch Saturn the way he punched Charlos. Does that mean he needs a full drawn out fight against him for this to happen? No. Especially not when he already has a character he's been fighting this arc that still needs to be dealt with.
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I think we should note that Kizaru's actions are completely dependent on the orders Saturn gives him. If Saturn tells Kizaru to attack the Giants he will. If Saturn tells Kizaru to retrieve York, Punk Records and Mother Flame he will.
As of now, Kizaru will only fight Luffy if he is ordered to, or if Luffy gets in his way like in Round 1.
As of now, Kizaru will only fight Luffy if he is ordered to, or if Luffy gets in his way like in Round 1.
The main thing thing that makes matchups pretty hard to predict is that it feels like you need a group to handle one of either Saturn or Kizaru.
Luffy could take either probably, but I HIGHLY doubt Oda would have Sanji + Franky beat Kizaru even if Franky is kitted out with anti light equipment (like the gloves). If Zoro shows up next chapter I can see Luffy fighting Saturn and then Zoro and Sanji fighting Kizaru, but I don’t feel like Oda will disrespect Lucci like that.
Luffy could take either probably, but I HIGHLY doubt Oda would have Sanji + Franky beat Kizaru even if Franky is kitted out with anti light equipment (like the gloves). If Zoro shows up next chapter I can see Luffy fighting Saturn and then Zoro and Sanji fighting Kizaru, but I don’t feel like Oda will disrespect Lucci like that.
I think Kizaru is going to make clones to take down the Pacifista.
I have a suspicion that the clones and the light beasts on Egghead ARE logia awakening, but we’ll find out soon I guess.
Honestly I’m not sure what’s going to happen. I want Luffy vs Kizaru round 2 where both try harder obviously as an admiral fan, but Oda could take the arc a lot of different directions so idk.
I have a suspicion that the clones and the light beasts on Egghead ARE logia awakening, but we’ll find out soon I guess.
Honestly I’m not sure what’s going to happen. I want Luffy vs Kizaru round 2 where both try harder obviously as an admiral fan, but Oda could take the arc a lot of different directions so idk.
Personally, I think the admiral agenda is going to be exactly the same as it was before Egghead with about the same amount of debate.
Ive seen a lot of people say this arc ends the Yonko vs admiral debate definitively but in case it is not obvious Oda definitely knows about power debates and plays with them to make controversy.
If Kizaru loses to a Zoro and Sanji team there will still be controversy since people think they could beat BM together.
If Kizaru loses to Luffy it will probably involve a new Gear 5 speed move and then people will argue that Luffy needed a speed move for Kizaru that he didn’t for Kaido.
Etc.
It’s annoying but it’s definitely how Oda writes
Ive seen a lot of people say this arc ends the Yonko vs admiral debate definitively but in case it is not obvious Oda definitely knows about power debates and plays with them to make controversy.
If Kizaru loses to a Zoro and Sanji team there will still be controversy since people think they could beat BM together.
If Kizaru loses to Luffy it will probably involve a new Gear 5 speed move and then people will argue that Luffy needed a speed move for Kizaru that he didn’t for Kaido.
Etc.
It’s annoying but it’s definitely how Oda writes
