Future Events Luffy vs Saturn or Luffy vs Kizaru Round 2 which do you think is most likely to happen at this point?

[Cyrus]

As many people have already pointed out:

-Between Saturn and Kizaru, Luffy has only expressed a desire to fight Kizaru. Oda specifically had Luffy be out of commission when Saturn came in to be the main threat.

-Luffy has explicitly stated that Kizaru is a "super strong" opponent, and that its his job to protect the crew from Kizaru

-Luffy and Kizaru's first bout ended in a mutual KO, no matter how much coping is done by anyone to say otherwise

-Kizaru was not paying much attention to Luffy the first time around as he was trying to kill Vegapunk, this time around will be a more direct fight than before

-Its been made clear that Sanji and Franky cannot hold off Kizaru, and Zoro is still occupied by Lucci

-Luffy saying "this is getting fun" and laughing after punching Kizaru is similar to when he first went went G5 on Kaido, its clear he is ready to fight Kizaru again now

Maybe I'll be wrong, but I don't think anyone on the island has the power to hold Kizaru off at all. It has to be Luffy still.

However I also know that Saturn HAS to be defeated this arc and that Luffy/Sun God Nika HAS to be the one to do it.

I can see three possibilities here:

1) Luffy defeats Kizaru, then defeats Saturn back to back

2) Luffy fights Saturn and Kizaru 2v1 and beats them both

3) Bonney uses a full potential Nika-ish future to defeat Saturn with the help of the pacafistas.

I like the 3rd option the most because it has the most thematic weight to it. Obviously Bonney gets revenge for her mom, but the Pacafistas defeating Saturn is basically like Kuma defeating him.

Also the CDs are false gods, so the only thing befitting of them is being defeated by a false sun god.

Finally, Saturn/Kronos in mythology is the god of time and was famously defeated by his children, the Zues and the Olympians. Saturn's regeneration might be him reversing time, so Bonney's fruit might be the only thing capable of defeating him. Also, if both Bonney and Kuma were born of Saturn's experiments, then they would be his "children" defeating him like in the myth.

 

[Serizzo]

Personally I think it will be Luffy vs Kizaru and Saturn. As the fight goes on Bonney will use her distort future ability alluding to Saturns comments about her ability not being effected by Nikas yet either on herself or Kuma. Zoro will be revealed to have off screened Lucci and dramatically joins the fight slashing Kizaru making a comment that’s a callback to there moment back in sabody “you couldn’t defend that, you must be getting tired Kizaru”. Jimbei will be right behind him and maybe Franky equips those light gloves they introduced earlier. Basically hoping all the strawhats get a moment to shine in an opportunity to have a group fight like SHs vs Moria+Oars. It’s mostly hopium but the strawhats escaping without any major damage to the WG top officials wouldn’t be appropriate IMO for a incident that would bring the world an unthinkable shock

 

[Adamxero]

Luffy vs Kizaru round 2

Luffy being the one to set Kizaru free when we can clearly see he's struggling with the concept of his duty and freedom to help his friends.

This is like Garp in marineford all over. I think Luffy vs Kizaru is going to end in the freedom of Kizaru to choose what he wants to do and I think he might actually die to Saturn or Blackbeard.

Just a thought.

 

[Pringles]

People who push Luffy vs Kizaru round 2 and deny Luffy vs Saturn are just reactionary and/or agenda pushers.

These guys solely rely on who Luffy punched last chapter but ignore all of the buildup that was made this arc for Saturn's downfall.

Kuma and Bonney waited for Nika their whole lives to be freed from their friend Kizaru who is merely a corporate slave and Saturn's puppet? They did not wait Nika to free them from Saturn who has oppressed them their whole lives? What did Kuma say during his flashback in Sabaody: Nika is someone who faces the World Government. Who is part of the World Government? Come on now.

Keep ignoring the obvious, you are just embarrassing yourselves.

You'll see who Luffy focuses on in the following chapters and who becomes his real fight.

 

[a_fan]

I just realize that if it's going to be Saturn then that will be Luffy's first serious opponent.

Everyone he faced were messing around and didn't take it seriously until it was too late.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

People who push Luffy vs Kizaru round 2 and deny Luffy vs Saturn are just reactionary and/or agenda pushers.

These guys solely rely on who Luffy punched last chapter but ignore all of the buildup that was made this arc for Saturn's downfall.

Kuma and Bonney waited for Nika their whole lives to be freed from their friend Kizaru who is merely a corporate slave and Saturn's puppet? They did not wait Nika to free them from Saturn who has oppressed them their whole lives? What did Kuma say during his flashback in Sabaody: Nika is someone who faces the World Government. Who is part of the World Government? Come on now.

Keep ignoring the obvious, you are just embarrassing yourselves.

You'll see who Luffy focuses on in the following chapters and who becomes his real fight.

It’s based on who Luffy has fought and worried about all of egghead. Saturn and Luffy have never interacted. Luffy doesn’t give a shit about the dude, only Kizaru.

The Luffy vs Saturn people are just pushing it purely for agenda.

 

[Pringles]

It’s based on who Luffy has fought and worried about all of egghead. Saturn and Luffy have never interacted. Luffy doesn’t give a shit about the dude, only Kizaru.

The Luffy vs Saturn people are just pushing it purely for agenda.

You and your 3 brain cells can't see further than "who Luffy has fought", can you?

You will ignore the whole plot of Egghead and Kuma's flashback to support your silly agenda.

That's how deluded you are, there is no salvation.

Luffy vs Saturn is not agenda, it's the fucking reality, it's based on the whole narrative.

Luffy vs Kizaru is stupid agenda. At best, there will be a confrontation again but it won't be Luffy's main fight this arc.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You and your 3 brain cells can't see further than "who Luffy has fought", can you?

You will ignore the whole plot of Egghead and Kuma's flashback to support your silly agenda.

That's how deluded you are, there is no salvation.

Luffy vs Saturn is not agenda, it's the fucking reality, it's based on the whole narrative.

Luffy vs Kizaru is stupid agenda. At best, there will be a confrontation again but it won't be Luffy's main fight this arc.

No it’s about who Luffys narrative has been connected to.

Your agenda refuses to believe that Luffys only threat this arc has been Kizaru. And you’re ignoring the plot of egghead. The plot about Luffy and Kizaru, or the plot about Kuma and Saturn.

The narrative is for Luffy to defeat Kizaru and solidify his growth while Kuma defeats Saturn and fulfills his dream before he retires and spends his days sailing and seeing the world with his daughter.

The agenda is thinking Kizaru and Luffy will randomly stop fighting

 

[Durableguy]

No it’s about who Luffys narrative has been connected to.

Your agenda refuses to believe that Luffys only threat this arc has been Kizaru. And you’re ignoring the plot of egghead. The plot about Luffy and Kizaru, or the plot about Kuma and Saturn.

The narrative is for Luffy to defeat Kizaru and solidify his growth while Kuma defeats Saturn and fulfills his dream before he retires and spends his days sailing and seeing the world with his daughter.

The agenda is thinking Kizaru and Luffy will randomly stop fighting

I swear to god just a few weeks ago people were arguing Kuma would blow himself up.

Funny how quickly that changed.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I swear to god just a few weeks ago people were arguing Kuma would blow himself up.

Funny how quickly that changed.

People were arguing that Kumas character arc would be finished in egghead; so regardless of death or retirement bros done after egghead.

That’s why his entire life is here

 

[Durableguy]

People were arguing that Kumas character arc would be finished in egghead; so regardless of death or retirement bros done after egghead.

That’s why his entire life is here

No no most of you guys were arguing the strawhats would run away and Kuma would nuke Saturn.

Chill.

I can kinda see Luffy not fighting Saturn. But anyone arguing Luffy and co aren't stomping are just delusional at this point.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

No no most of you guys were arguing the strawhats would run away and Kuma would nuke Saturn.

Chill.

I can kinda see Luffy not fighting Saturn. But anyone arguing Luffy and co aren't stomping are just delusional at this point.

The straw hats are clearly winning this. There’s too many allys for the straw hats to possibly lose.

Luffy will beat Kizaru
Kuma will beat Saturn
Giants and Robot will beat buster call

 

[Durableguy]

The straw hats are clearly winning this. There’s too many allys for the straw hats to possibly lose.

Luffy will beat Kizaru
Kuma will beat Saturn
Giants and Robot will beat buster call

See I can't see that


The gorosei along with Imu are supposedly the final villains.

That being said. We could all be getting this wrong and maybe Blackbeard is the actual final foe.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

See I can't see that


The gorosei along with Imu are supposedly the final villains.

That being said. We could all be getting this wrong and maybe Blackbeard is the actual final foe.

Cross Guild
:cheers:

There a group built on members of the three great powers and buggy is destined to sit on the empty throne

 

[Cyrus]

You and your 3 brain cells can't see further than "who Luffy has fought", can you?

You will ignore the whole plot of Egghead and Kuma's flashback to support your silly agenda.

That's how deluded you are, there is no salvation.

Luffy vs Saturn is not agenda, it's the fucking reality, it's based on the whole narrative.

Luffy vs Kizaru is stupid agenda. At best, there will be a confrontation again but it won't be Luffy's main fight this arc.

Its funny how much you are talking about agendas when its pretty clear your own agenda is clouding your perspective here.

The arc is nearly over and nobody is around to fight Kizaru other than Luffy. Idk why you are being so rude when its a pretty natural conclusion to come to that either Luffy will keep fighting Kizraru or he'll end up fighting both at once. Your best idea otherwise is that Zoro in the next few chapters is going to finish off Lucci, show up to where Kizaru is, then one shot him lol.

Saturn and Luffy will almost definitely have a confrontation for the reasons you have alluded to, and Luffy is yet to punch Saturn the way he punched Charlos in Sabaody, which is 100% still going to happen.

I don't view Saturn as being a "luffy opponent" though. If that were the case then Oda wouldn't have had Luffy run out of energy after using WSG on Kizaru. He would have just had Luffy go straight into a confrontation with Saturn or written it in a different way that would set up Saturn as Luffy's actual main opponent.

 

[Pringles]

Its funny how much you are talking about agendas when its pretty clear your own agenda is clouding your perspective here.

The arc is nearly over and nobody is around to fight Kizaru other than Luffy. Idk why you are being so rude when its a pretty natural conclusion to come to that either Luffy will keep fighting Kizraru or he'll end up fighting both at once. Your best idea otherwise is that Zoro in the next few chapters is going to finish off Lucci, show up to where Kizaru is, then one shot him lol.

Saturn and Luffy will almost definitely have a confrontation for the reasons you have alluded to, and Luffy is yet to punch Saturn the way he punched Charlos in Sabaody, which is 100% still going to happen.

I don't view Saturn as being a "luffy opponent" though. If that were the case then Oda wouldn't have had Luffy run out of energy after using WSG on Kizaru. He would have just had Luffy go straight into a confrontation with Saturn or written it in a different way that would set up Saturn as Luffy's actual main opponent.

I have no agenda. I'm just a very stubborn person who pushes their opinion but the opinion in question is built upon narrative, not on my love of any character. If you can argue anything I say instead of bringing shitty arguments, I will discuss it with you.

"The arc is nearly over" -> prove it
"Nobody is around to fight Kizaru other than Luffy" -> where is Zoro?

I'm rude because that's not a natural conclusion to come to that. Kizaru is a corporate slave and Saturn is the real villain of this arc.

Kizaru is not the villain of this arc and not Luffy's main fight.

The rest of your post makes no sense.

People who push Luffy vs Kizaru do it out of delusion, because their love for the admirals clouds their understanding of the arc.

One Piece is a shonen that follows damsel in distress narrative device
Luffy is the main character
Saturn is the main villain of this arc
Bonney is the damsel in distress

Anyone who argues the contrary is deluded

 

[Uncle Van]

Its funny how much you are talking about agendas when its pretty clear your own agenda is clouding your perspective here.

The arc is nearly over and nobody is around to fight Kizaru other than Luffy. Idk why you are being so rude when its a pretty natural conclusion to come to that either Luffy will keep fighting Kizraru or he'll end up fighting both at once. Your best idea otherwise is that Zoro in the next few chapters is going to finish off Lucci, show up to where Kizaru is, then one shot him lol.

Saturn and Luffy will almost definitely have a confrontation for the reasons you have alluded to, and Luffy is yet to punch Saturn the way he punched Charlos in Sabaody, which is 100% still going to happen.

I don't view Saturn as being a "luffy opponent" though. If that were the case then Oda wouldn't have had Luffy run out of energy after using WSG on Kizaru. He would have just had Luffy go straight into a confrontation with Saturn or written it in a different way that would set up Saturn as Luffy's actual main opponent.

To be fair, Luffy always takes out the big bad no matter how little connection or involvement. Luffy didn't need much reason to take out Enel, Moriah and Hody. Hell, Luffy never even seen Enel until their fight.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

To be fair, Luffy always takes out the big bad no matter how little connection or involvement. Luffy didn't need much reason to take out Enel, Moriah and Hody. Hell, Luffy never even seen Enel until their fight.

Yeah but those people were all the strongest enemies in the arc and the leader of the group. Saturn has powers unlike Spandam; but by now he definitely feels more like Spandam to Kizarus Lucci.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Kuma will beat Saturn

Kuma is too weak to beat Saturn

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Kuma is too weak to beat Saturn

Bonney will buff him with Distortion Future “Nika Like Future” just like Kuma foreshadowed when he told Saturn he was going to be a “warrior like Nika.”