Future Events Luffy vs Saturn or Luffy vs Kizaru Round 2 which do you think is most likely to happen at this point?
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Law was Luffys villain in PH?
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Rayleigh was Luffys villain?
Funny how there's no Katakuri, Moria or Hody covers.
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Rayleigh was Luffys villain?
Funny how there's no Katakuri, Moria or Hody covers.
Debunked.
Stop using this nonsense argument. I'm sure your 3 brain cells can do better than that.
Why do you keep ignoring this Shonen jump cover?
Or this one?
Or even this one?
What's this?
Stop using this nonsense argument. I'm sure your 3 brain cells can do better than that.
Why do you keep ignoring this Shonen jump cover?
Or this one?
Or even this one?
What's this?
None of these covers feature two characters who are enemies
The Big Mome one has fucking Sanji being just as prominent as Luffy and her
The others are fucking irrelevant.
You haven't debunked shit. Keep coping about Laturn being a fraud and your headcanon dream of Bonney realizing Luffy is nika when he saves her for Saturn having gone to shit
People are still pushing ZKK when the arc is in its ending stages? You really can’t make this stuff up!
Didn't you claim in your previous posts that you were agenda free and that we should envision all possibilities?
You really can't make this stuff up!
I disagree mainly because I don’t think it’ll be the entirety of the one piece world, it’ll be luffy, the grand fleet, revs, and some friends made along the way like Yamato
I also think if Saturn is the weakest gorosei (based off planet order and introduction) and he solos the entire island I’d say it’s safe to say there’s gonna be plenty hype if there’s 4 other ones much stronger than him. If the weakest gorosei potentially solos the main character, his entire crew, and extras and there’s 4 more of him that’re way more powerful, Akainu, other admirals, AND IMU I’d say we’re in good standing. I guess we’ll just have to see how Saturn performs and how this arc ends
I also think if Saturn is the weakest gorosei (based off planet order and introduction) and he solos the entire island I’d say it’s safe to say there’s gonna be plenty hype if there’s 4 other ones much stronger than him. If the weakest gorosei potentially solos the main character, his entire crew, and extras and there’s 4 more of him that’re way more powerful, Akainu, other admirals, AND IMU I’d say we’re in good standing. I guess we’ll just have to see how Saturn performs and how this arc ends
I know Loda is capable of contradicting him but Saturn himself said they would remain while everyone else were evacuating
Saturn V Luffy
Kizaru V Zoro
Lucci V Sanji
It isn't rocket science. Oda doesn't deviate from a successful model much.
But it occured to me if Oda wants to wrap up egghead real quick, Saturn could legit just grab Kizaru and split.
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Lucci might just get off-paneled
I'd rather see these three fights, but just saying it could happen.
Beats me.
Luffy has every narrative reason to fight Saturn, but he is clearly built-up to fight Kizaru... again. And in their first fight, we clearly see Luffy does not have much stamina left if he actually wants to beat Kizaru so I doubt he is taking both on.
I definitely think there will be some gimmick with technology that will help them, maybe Straw Hats even decide to escape. We'll see.
Luffy has every narrative reason to fight Saturn, but he is clearly built-up to fight Kizaru... again. And in their first fight, we clearly see Luffy does not have much stamina left if he actually wants to beat Kizaru so I doubt he is taking both on.
I definitely think there will be some gimmick with technology that will help them, maybe Straw Hats even decide to escape. We'll see.
What are you mocking people for "narrative analyst" and "One Piece professional" BlackLegFring?
Didn't you claim in your previous posts that you were agenda free and that we should envision all possibilities?
You really can't make this stuff up!
Didn't you claim in your previous posts that you were agenda free and that we should envision all possibilities?
You really can't make this stuff up!
I didn’t say envision all possibilities because that’s just dumb. ZKK is just a dumb option, period. That’s common sense, not agenda.
This isn’t kindergarten, there are indeed such things as stupid questions…well, predictions in this case. Seeing as you’re -6 in the hole, maybe you should consider it friendly advice.
You really can’t make this stuff up!
Luffy vs Saturn will 100% happen.
Luffy will be the one to defeat Saturn, anyone who says the opposite or disagrees is coping and doesn't understand narrative at all.
One Piece follows 2 basic rules:
- it is a shonen -> it's a manga for a male audience with a main protagonist
- it follows the damsel in distress narrative device -> Bonney is the damsel in distress that is oppressed by Saturn and Nika is her savior
Regardless of that, Nika is the Warrior of Liberation that will free Bonney (and Kuma).
- Bonney contracted Sapphire Scale from Saturn
- Bonney was still oppressed by Saturn in Egghead (she was held and almost killed)
- Bonney is waiting for Nika through the legend of Nika spread by her dad
Outside of Bonney, the other characters are secondary "damsels in distress".
- Kuma is a slave who was turned into a robot by Saturn, he is also waiting for Nika
- Vegapunk is also waiting for Nika, he is on Kuma's side, he danced to Nika, and he was brutally hit this chapter
More importantly, Kizaru, the admiral who came to Egghead is the perfect damsel in distress:
- Kizaru is only a cog in the machine so he doesn't decide what he does
- Kizaru is conflicted, his justice is unclear
- Kizaru cares for his friends but he has to do his job
- Kizaru obeys to Saturn, no matter if the decision hurts his friends
Bonney, Kuma, Vegapunk, Kizaru and Sentomaru are all waiting for Nika to free them from Saturn, period.
Now, who will fight Saturn?
I think it will be mainly Luffy's fight but I'm expecting to see Bonney land a punch on him with Nika-ish future and maybe some action from the ancient robot.
I don't think that the ancient robot is there to focus on Saturn. Instead, in my eyes, it will most likely replace Vegaforce and carry the Sunny to the coast.
What about Kizaru?
Kizaru is conflicted and his justice is unclear. Kizaru will not betray Saturn before his defeat by Nika, so what about him?
It is possible that Kizaru intervenes to fight Luffy but that's not what will mainly happen.
When the ancient robot carries the Sunny and it tries to escape with the Straw Hats, Kuma, Bonney, Sentomaru and Vegapunk, Saturn will most likely order Kizaru to go after the escaping crew.
Luffy may be unable to go after Kizaru since he'll be focusing on Saturn and he may be preparing his finisher attack. Also, Kizaru travels at the speed of light.
I think that in that instance, Zoro will step in and protect the Straw Hats from Kizaru. Zoro will knock Kizaru out and have his revenge on Sabaody, which will perfectly mirror that moment.
Then, Luffy will defeat Saturn with Bajrang Stamp, crushing him like an insect/spider, and using a stronger variation of gum gum axe, the attack that Kuma saw Luffy train. Which is fitting because in Hindu mythology, Bajrang Bali (Hanuman) steps onto Saturn (Shani) with his mighty feet to control him.
Luffy will be the one to defeat Saturn, anyone who says the opposite or disagrees is coping and doesn't understand narrative at all.
One Piece follows 2 basic rules:
- it is a shonen -> it's a manga for a male audience with a main protagonist
- it follows the damsel in distress narrative device -> Bonney is the damsel in distress that is oppressed by Saturn and Nika is her savior
Regardless of that, Nika is the Warrior of Liberation that will free Bonney (and Kuma).
- Bonney contracted Sapphire Scale from Saturn
- Bonney was still oppressed by Saturn in Egghead (she was held and almost killed)
- Bonney is waiting for Nika through the legend of Nika spread by her dad
Outside of Bonney, the other characters are secondary "damsels in distress".
- Kuma is a slave who was turned into a robot by Saturn, he is also waiting for Nika
- Vegapunk is also waiting for Nika, he is on Kuma's side, he danced to Nika, and he was brutally hit this chapter
More importantly, Kizaru, the admiral who came to Egghead is the perfect damsel in distress:
- Kizaru is only a cog in the machine so he doesn't decide what he does
- Kizaru is conflicted, his justice is unclear
- Kizaru cares for his friends but he has to do his job
- Kizaru obeys to Saturn, no matter if the decision hurts his friends
Bonney, Kuma, Vegapunk, Kizaru and Sentomaru are all waiting for Nika to free them from Saturn, period.
Now, who will fight Saturn?
I think it will be mainly Luffy's fight but I'm expecting to see Bonney land a punch on him with Nika-ish future and maybe some action from the ancient robot.
I don't think that the ancient robot is there to focus on Saturn. Instead, in my eyes, it will most likely replace Vegaforce and carry the Sunny to the coast.
What about Kizaru?
Kizaru is conflicted and his justice is unclear. Kizaru will not betray Saturn before his defeat by Nika, so what about him?
It is possible that Kizaru intervenes to fight Luffy but that's not what will mainly happen.
When the ancient robot carries the Sunny and it tries to escape with the Straw Hats, Kuma, Bonney, Sentomaru and Vegapunk, Saturn will most likely order Kizaru to go after the escaping crew.
Luffy may be unable to go after Kizaru since he'll be focusing on Saturn and he may be preparing his finisher attack. Also, Kizaru travels at the speed of light.
I think that in that instance, Zoro will step in and protect the Straw Hats from Kizaru. Zoro will knock Kizaru out and have his revenge on Sabaody, which will perfectly mirror that moment.
Then, Luffy will defeat Saturn with Bajrang Stamp, crushing him like an insect/spider, and using a stronger variation of gum gum axe, the attack that Kuma saw Luffy train. Which is fitting because in Hindu mythology, Bajrang Bali (Hanuman) steps onto Saturn (Shani) with his mighty feet to control him.
I was Team Luffy vs Kizaru since day 1. I'm of the firm belief, that Kizaru is definitely going to be awakened and the official logia awakening drop for me was always going to be more of a problem than whatever Saturn could have in store, that was always going to make him a much more inferior version of Kaido anyway.
It's just the way it is: Kaido is a big limiter for other Zoan fruit users, even if they have powerful special quirks and CoC themselves, and a regeneration based or whatever based immortality gimmick imo won't bridge the gap for it to make it an entertaining fight.
I can rather see Saturn getting handled by a team effort or the Giant robot, than awakened Kizaru. Seems very likely that Saturn is just going to be a regeneration based big monster type of fight. Such would be target practice for Luffy.
It all could potentially change if Saturn really has an uber powerful quirk, which allows him to stay this big and stationary against a guy like Nika 2.0, while Kizaru really turns out to be not awakened, BUT I just don't see it happening.
Edit:
- the reaction shot from Luffy back then, when Kizaru entered the island, while he's not bothered by Saturn
- Kizaru still being there as Saturn's bodyguard
- Kizaru still being part of the strongest force of the WG
- Kizaru still haven't shown more than 4 or 5 named attacks iirc, and already being too difficult to handle for anyone else, means that Kizaru could freely do, what he tried to do the whole fucking time before, if Luffy now suddenly decides to go for Saturn, which is to kill everyone else, while having shown like 30%
- Group effort attempts vs light man = useless, group effort attempts vs big spider monster = Franky
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It's just the way it is: Kaido is a big limiter for other Zoan fruit users, even if they have powerful special quirks and CoC themselves, and a regeneration based or whatever based immortality gimmick imo won't bridge the gap for it to make it an entertaining fight.
I can rather see Saturn getting handled by a team effort or the Giant robot, than awakened Kizaru. Seems very likely that Saturn is just going to be a regeneration based big monster type of fight. Such would be target practice for Luffy.
It all could potentially change if Saturn really has an uber powerful quirk, which allows him to stay this big and stationary against a guy like Nika 2.0, while Kizaru really turns out to be not awakened, BUT I just don't see it happening.
Edit:
- the reaction shot from Luffy back then, when Kizaru entered the island, while he's not bothered by Saturn
- Kizaru still being there as Saturn's bodyguard
- Kizaru still being part of the strongest force of the WG
- Kizaru still haven't shown more than 4 or 5 named attacks iirc, and already being too difficult to handle for anyone else, means that Kizaru could freely do, what he tried to do the whole fucking time before, if Luffy now suddenly decides to go for Saturn, which is to kill everyone else, while having shown like 30%
- Group effort attempts vs light man = useless, group effort attempts vs big spider monster = Franky
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