Powers & Abilities Luffy's "joyboy" form might be temporary.

#21
Onigashima has a lot more in common with Enies Lobby than it does with Thriller Bark

Hell, it has more in common with Alabasta or Marineford, too. The Thriller Bark comparison is the weakest one you could have
 
#22
It is clear by this point that the post TS arcs have had many similarities with pre ts arcs.

-Early East Blue/ Sabaody archipelado
Gathering the crew arc.
-Arloong park/Fishmen island
Both arcs deal with fishmen and discrimination, the east blue part we deal with fishmen discriminating humans for being weaker and on fishman island we get to see the other side of the story, both are important arcs for Nami and happen right befre the crew set out to the next step on Luffy's adventure to become PK, that being grand line/new world.
-Whisky peak/punk hazard
Both are minnor arcs that serve to set up the next major saga of the manga, both are arcs where the crew meet a prince/princess of a kingdom threatened by a major power in the world who joins the crew temporarely.
-Alabasta/Dressrosa
The similarities on this one are too many, from meeting a princess and helping her save her country, to Luffy meeting his brother... Even the rank of the enemy Luffy faces, only real diference is that Doffy already succeeded in taking the country while rocodile was about to do it.
-Skypea/Zou
Lands with a distinctive race of people that cant easily be found anywhere else, we got important information about polneglyphs as well on both arcs, specialy about their relation with Roger and Laugh Tale.
-Ennies Lobby/WCI
Crewmate gets "kidnaped", and has to be saved.
-Thriller Bark/Wano
Arc where a new nakama joins the crew after a long time, Ryuma and Oars land....And most important to this thread...
A temporary transformation for Luffy that powers him up enough to easily destroy the massive opponent in the arc thats about to destroy everyone.
luffy defeated the actually villain of the arc without any shadows
 
#23
Onigashima has a lot more in common with Enies Lobby than it does with Thriller Bark

Hell, it has more in common with Alabasta or Marineford, too. The Thriller Bark comparison is the weakest one you could have
Wano is not over yet, soo obviously the similarities are not done yet. Luffy getting a new temporary form would only add to it, a third party joining in after the fight is done is also still possible, in the same way Kuma did.

But it definely has way mre tematics and plot threads that link it to Thriller bark than any other arc, again Thriller bark is the arc that set up wano in the first place, ryuma and oars both play a role in wano, even when they faced the first number the callbacks to how much they strugled against Oars size was brought up as they could easily and effortlessly deal with massive opponents now.

Even at the start of the arc itself we had a much stronger and bigger villain working for a weaker one, like it was with Oars/Moria and Kaido/Orochi.
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luffy defeated the actually villain of the arc without any shadows
The strongest villain of the arc was Oars, not Moria. Even if Moria was calling the shots, the fact that Oars with Luffy's shadow was much stronger remains.

Just like at the start of this arc we had Orochi in charge of Wano and Kaido kind of working for him, even if Kaido betrayed him, it dosent change how the arc started very similar to Thriller Bark.
 
#26
Yes the awakening of his fruit, that the gorosei pissed themselves over and thought was vastly more dangerous than Kaido, is a "temporary" power up, despite no other awakening being a one off power up...
:choppawhat::whitepress:
 
#27
Yes the awakening of his fruit, that the gorosei pissed themselves over and thought was vastly more dangerous than Kaido, is a "temporary" power up, despite no other awakening being a one off power up...
:choppawhat::whitepress:
Who said awakening is a temporary thing?
:whitepress:
Im saying Luffy will get joyboy or warever form temporarely to beat Kaido. But he definely wont leave wano knowing how to controll his awakening, this will be his PU for the next arc.
 
#28
Who said awakening is a temporary thing?
:whitepress:
Im saying Luffy will get joyboy or warever form temporarely to beat Kaido. But he definely wont leave wano knowing how to controll his awakening, this will be his PU for the next arc.
Luffy is strong pseudoyonko level before his awakening, he will gain more mastery as the series progresses sure, but he doesn't need a "new powerup" for Elbaf.
 
#29
Luffy is strong pseudoyonko level before his awakening, he will gain more mastery as the series progresses sure, but he doesn't need a "new powerup" for Elbaf.
This is a shonnen manga, characters always get PU's specialy the protagonist and specialy before the final arc.
Luffy already has advCoO,CoA and CoC, awakening and mastering his DF is the only real path left open for him to get PU's, thats why he wont master it this arc, and will likely get a temporary form that we will never see again to beat Kaido, as he is not even in controll of his own body.

Luffy gear 5, or warever the name it will have will likely be something that looks diferent than the form we will see now.
 
#30
This is a shonnen manga, characters always get PU's specialy the protagonist and specialy before the final arc.
Luffy already has advCoO,CoA and CoC, awakening and mastering his DF is the only real path left open for him to get PU's, thats why he wont master it this arc, and will likely get a temporary form that we will never see again to beat Kaido, as he is not even in controll of his own body.

Luffy gear 5, or warever the name it will have will likely be something that looks diferent than the form we will see now.
Yes to beat blackbeard/end the series, but backsliding then relearning the same powerup isn't a "new powerup".
Shanks still has CoC hax to learn, mysteries of VoAT.
"not in control of his body" -bullshit
"temporary form"- bullshit, it's his fruit, it's like saying KROOM is a one off powerup.
 
#31
Who said awakening is a temporary thing?
:whitepress:
Im saying Luffy will get joyboy or warever form temporarely to beat Kaido. But he definely wont leave wano knowing how to controll his awakening, this will be his PU for the next arc.
Tbh, how can people claim you're downplaying Luffy based on this? It's a quite reasonable stance and hardly Luffy hate - there's a possibility of Luffy using awakening subconsciously after all. People are reaching.
 
#32
if we go by shounen logic he will resit the transformation and it will only come out when he really needs it like Naruto or yusule or ichigo.

unlesd hid fruit is the smile smile no mi which lets him strech his enviorment or use laughs as an attack.
 
#33
if we go by shounen logic he will resit the transformation and it will only come out when he really needs it like Naruto or yusule or ichigo.

unlesd hid fruit is the smile smile no mi which lets him strech his enviorment or use laughs as an attack.
oda has never done the powerup that comes only in the moment of danger, either you have the power-up and it is permanent or you don't have the powerup at all
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#34
I just hope he ain't possessed as that would feel kinda lame from a practical standpoint although it has a lot of potential from an hype perspective.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#35
oda has never done the powerup that comes only in the moment of danger, either you have the power-up and it is permanent or you don't have the powerup at all
Nightmare Luffy is a power-up that came and went, never again to appear because it wasnt Luffy's power.
Here is the same, Joyboy may take over and disappear after that never to be seen again.
Kaido was already declared as the victor of the fight - Oda will not go back on that.
If Luffy wins after this, Joyboy will be proclaimed victor, not Luffy.

"Luffy will not beat Kaido just because he punches hard".
Luffybros: No, that's exactly what's going to happen!!!
>Doesnt happen.
>Tries not to cry, cries a lot.
 
#36
Agree.
There is a high chance that it's a temporary transformation like MUI was for Goku in ToP arc, and he will have to master it properly like Goku did in Moro's arc.

That's totally a reasonable stance, and only insecure Luffy fans would argue otherwise and call someone who believes in this a hater.
On contrary, this was really a good call from @Rekien. It's absolutely an educated guess
 
#37
The awakening of a fruit might be related to the Wills of past users of that Devil Fruit. Luffy mastering awakening in the Rubber Fruit may mean Luffy's Will surpassing JoyBoy's.
 
#39
Nightmare Luffy is a power-up that came and went, never again to appear because it wasnt Luffy's power.
Here is the same, Joyboy may take over and disappear after that never to be seen again.
Kaido was already declared as the victor of the fight - Oda will not go back on that.
If Luffy wins after this, Joyboy will be proclaimed victor, not Luffy.

"Luffy will not beat Kaido just because he punches hard".
Luffybros: No, that's exactly what's going to happen!!!
>Doesnt happen.
>Tries not to cry, cries a lot.
Nightmare luffy was never luffy’s power to begin with
 
#40
I think it might be temporary only in the sense that Luffy may have trouble controlling it. Maybe he'll subconsciously release some crazy power to defeat Kaido and only towards EoS will he learn to really control it.

If this is really Luffy's DF awakening, I can't think of any other PU's for him going forward, so maybe it'll just be better control of his awakening or maybe new abilities that come with the awakening that he unlocks gradually
 
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