General & Others Luffy's Proclamations
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Well he claimed he would crush all yonkos but as a matter of fact it's not necessarily likely he shall defeat Shanks, unless he meant surpass them.
He also claimed he would have saved Ace anyway.
But it's not about him specifically, there are many examples of characters not managing to keep their claims and concretize them all, the manga would look too favourable differently.
He also claimed he would have saved Ace anyway.
But it's not about him specifically, there are many examples of characters not managing to keep their claims and concretize them all, the manga would look too favourable differently.
Just want to point out too that I totally get and see the Enma/Ame No Habakiri parallels.
Enma literally references the God of Death, which is the one thing Kaido strives for.
Ame no Habakiri literally translates to Snake Slayer
There is totally writing on the wall there for:
- Luffy to defeat Kaido, Zoro to do his thing (whatever it is, improve CoC mastery, vs King, learn his backstory, etc) and eventually kill Kaido at the last moment.
- Orochi to lose his his head at the same time from Momo with Ame.
Atm it does seem that Orochi has lost 7 heads (Lost 1 to Kaido, and contrary to 1009, he actually grew 6 heads but the panel only showed 5 getting removed, so I think he only has 1 left). The way Momo has been set up to becoming a leader aiming to take back his kingdom, especially if Orochi ends up using Hiyori in some particular way (kidnapping/hostage), I definitely could see this.
Oden having both his swords take out the 2 biggest threats via death makes perfect sense. I just HOPE Oda sticks to his guns here and does it, if this is the actual parallel that is meant to happen.
I fully expect Kid to "O-Lin" Big Mom so he'll technically win by getting her to stop fighting lol, at least imo since there's virtually no one else who can stop her outside of Marco (who might be screwed come the next few chapters depending on Perospero)
My sincere thoughts on the matter. I actually LIKE the notion of ZKK. It DOES make sense. I just think it needs to be done in a particular way (Kaido not stopping his rampage, not running away) and Oda needs to commit to a real villain death.
Enma literally references the God of Death, which is the one thing Kaido strives for.
Ame no Habakiri literally translates to Snake Slayer
There is totally writing on the wall there for:
- Luffy to defeat Kaido, Zoro to do his thing (whatever it is, improve CoC mastery, vs King, learn his backstory, etc) and eventually kill Kaido at the last moment.
- Orochi to lose his his head at the same time from Momo with Ame.
Atm it does seem that Orochi has lost 7 heads (Lost 1 to Kaido, and contrary to 1009, he actually grew 6 heads but the panel only showed 5 getting removed, so I think he only has 1 left). The way Momo has been set up to becoming a leader aiming to take back his kingdom, especially if Orochi ends up using Hiyori in some particular way (kidnapping/hostage), I definitely could see this.
Oden having both his swords take out the 2 biggest threats via death makes perfect sense. I just HOPE Oda sticks to his guns here and does it, if this is the actual parallel that is meant to happen.
I fully expect Kid to "O-Lin" Big Mom so he'll technically win by getting her to stop fighting lol, at least imo since there's virtually no one else who can stop her outside of Marco (who might be screwed come the next few chapters depending on Perospero)
My sincere thoughts on the matter. I actually LIKE the notion of ZKK. It DOES make sense. I just think it needs to be done in a particular way (Kaido not stopping his rampage, not running away) and Oda needs to commit to a real villain death.
Hahhahahahaha so it is ok for Kid to have ''Luffy's back'' for BM but god forbid Zoro to do it for Kaido 
It is true that Luffy ''keeps his word'' most of the time but it happens that he doesn't and you even gave Kid's example so why deny it to Zoro ?
It is true that Luffy ''keeps his word'' most of the time but it happens that he doesn't and you even gave Kid's example so why deny it to Zoro ?
It's about Oda committing values he normally has about "main" (key word) OP villains that Luffy fights.
Kid "defeating" Big Mom (who btw, never has been a main villain. Katakuri and Kaido take that role in WCI/Wano respecttively), either by permanently making her O-Lin or anything else, is okay because Luffy effectively "won" against the BMP last arc.
This is the big reason Morgans writes his article about Luffy. He says he's the 5th emperor because he made her "lose" (she gets pissed at the article, remember). At this point BM in relation to Luffy trying to prove something to her is meaningless.
Plus, if Kaido and Linlin are "equal" and Luffy defeats Kaido, it effectively means he can or could have defeated Linlin. Yes, I hope ZKK happens where it fits the mold of the story.
Where I was actually making fun of ZKK is not the actual act of it, but the notion that some supporters of it think Zoro will overtake Luffy's 1v1 at some point (look at the OP where I reference it, it's about the actual 1v1, not what happens after). Reasonable members here of course don't believe that, and think Zoro will have relevance down below, learn his history with wano, improve CoC, then at the absolute end of the arc when Kaido is defeated by recovers, will pull the Ryuuma moment.
THAT I fundamentally agree with. I'm just nervous for Oda's....tendencies to not commit.
Yeah... there's a lot said so this is nothing too new, but in order to run with the idea of what Luffy said becoming reality you have to ignore the instances where it didn't. As I clicked on this thread and cycled through examples, counter examples sprang up at many stops. Taking over Udon? Oh but let's talk about the main villains. Luffy apologized to the crew for not beating crocodile and said he'd win... then he lost. He asked a bunch of people to hold off the Doflamingo he claimed he'd whoop. Etc. Luffy is gonna whoop some serious ass by the time this is over but the idea that Oda has established any certainty in Luffy singlehandedly determining Kaido's fate is faulty.
A big reason why luffy vs big moon 1v1 will never happen is because big moms already at an disadvantage going to the fight and luffys her worst possible matchup.
1. Luffy can tank her lightning attacks
2. She doesn’t have high enough AP besides her strongest attacks
Oda is not wasting time giving her. A 1v1.
1. Luffy can tank her lightning attacks
2. She doesn’t have high enough AP besides her strongest attacks
Oda is not wasting time giving her. A 1v1.
Luffy's claim was to save him anyway 
He didn't manage to prevent Akainu from killing him
He didn't manage to prevent Akainu from killing him
Very few people if not 0 believe that Zoro would 1v1 Kaido.
Everyone knows that Luffy will have a ''big portion of the cake'' but Zoro is definetely getting a bigger feat than blocking and tanking Hakai and it is certainly not against a YC lol and the only thing ''bigger'' is being the first to kill the unkillable beast.
Let's wait and see as all this is speculation but I trust Zoro will surpass my hype again, as usual.
Everyone knows that Luffy will have a ''big portion of the cake'' but Zoro is definetely getting a bigger feat than blocking and tanking Hakai and it is certainly not against a YC lol and the only thing ''bigger'' is being the first to kill the unkillable beast.
Let's wait and see as all this is speculation but I trust Zoro will surpass my hype again, as usual.