Questions & Mysteries M3 - Shattered ... ? ?
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This isn't necessarily advanced.
Coa barrier is when you use flow to create an attack without any use of physical strength. Obviously, barrier can be used in conjunction with physical strength but it doesn't need physical strength to be effective. Which is why hyougoro, who has subfodder physical abilities, can take out a gifter with it.
flow in of itself isn't advanced CoA, literal fodders such as tashigi are able to use flow. So far, Zoro hasn't shown barrier, albeit there are some hints of him having it.
anyways the monster trio, which I believe is a term used within the manga itself, never implied that all members were equals. Sanji was never on luffy's level. It was just a term used to designate the main fighters of the crew.
Sanji is closer in strength to Zoro than he is to franky. Hence he is part of the monster trio.
Coa barrier is when you use flow to create an attack without any use of physical strength. Obviously, barrier can be used in conjunction with physical strength but it doesn't need physical strength to be effective. Which is why hyougoro, who has subfodder physical abilities, can take out a gifter with it.
flow in of itself isn't advanced CoA, literal fodders such as tashigi are able to use flow. So far, Zoro hasn't shown barrier, albeit there are some hints of him having it.
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anyways the monster trio, which I believe is a term used within the manga itself, never implied that all members were equals. Sanji was never on luffy's level. It was just a term used to designate the main fighters of the crew.
Sanji is closer in strength to Zoro than he is to franky. Hence he is part of the monster trio.
This is the brain of the people that think Luffy, Zoro and Sanji is the true Monster Trio 
This is the brain of the people that think Luffy and Zoro are Monster Duo or Luffy, Zoro and Jinbei are the true Monster Trio
OT: Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are the true Monster Trio no matter what
Whether it's Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbei or Luffy, Jinbei, and Sanji, it's doesn't matter cuz Sanji will be in the Monster Trio no matter what. Like Sanji's name is literally 3 and Trio is 3 lol
Jinbei is in the separate category to be honest. And beside, people took the fanmade term Monster Trio too seriously lol
This is the brain of the people that think Luffy and Zoro are Monster Duo or Luffy, Zoro and Jinbei are the true Monster Trio
OT: Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are the true Monster Trio no matter what
Whether it's Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbei or Luffy, Jinbei, and Sanji, it's doesn't matter cuz Sanji will be in the Monster Trio no matter what. Like Sanji's name is literally 3 and Trio is 3 lolJinbei is in the separate category to be honest. And beside, people took the fanmade term Monster Trio too seriously lol
The "three monsters" is something that Oda has spent years upon years establishing it does not matter how much stronger each are relative to each other the fact of the matter is that those 2 at the end of the day will always be the most dependable fighters in the crew after Luffy especially from Luffy standpoint in relation to mostly Zoro and the crews standpoint in relation to mostly Sanji. This always seems to happen to Sanji he goes missing from action suddenly everyone is stronger than him.
the concept of m3 doesn't exist anymore, the moment jimbe joined what we considered m3 became obsolete like it should. By the end of his journey luffy's crew will for sure have powerful memebers that will be on pair with zoro and sanji. As proof we have jinbe now and hopefully yamato as well.
Sanji has hardening it was stated that he has how good is he with it well that we shall discover. As for his CoO hopefully we will see in wano to what extend he master it.
Sanji has hardening it was stated that he has how good is he with it well that we shall discover. As for his CoO hopefully we will see in wano to what extend he master it.
With this logic, does that mean that Crocodile, Moriah and Doflamingo were not “true” Warlords because they got defeated and the World Government subsequently decided to strip them all of their Warlord status, no?
Snack earned that rank to begin with. Then he got punished for failure like everyone in the BMPs gets punished for failure in general. No special case here.
The 16 Division Commanders canonically all have the equal authority regardless of strength. Same with the Sweet Commanders, same with the All Stars etc. etc.
No amount of fandom perceived concepts that Oda never takes any notice of is going to change that.
On side note, yeah, the top three strongest subordinate characters in a crew will always have superior portrayal over everyone else in a crew.
Just like the top five strongest subordinate characters in a crew will always have superior portrayal over everyone else in a crew.
Or the top ten strongest subordinate characters.
Or the top fifteen or the top twenty and etc. etc. etc. etc.
There is always going to be a first, second and third strongest subordinate character for as long as there are three or more than three subordinate characters to begin with. Lel.
Those three are literally the only named members of Shanks’ crew besides new recruit Rockstar and Shanks himself. We know nothing about them. They may not even have a rank authority based system to begin with, just like Roger never bothered with such a thing.
Both the YC1/2/3/4 ranking system and the term Monster Trio are purely fandom perceived concepts.
For as long as the fandom as a whole perceives and uses the term Monster Trio to mean Luffy, Zoro, Sanji then that is essentially what it means regardless of how much you yourself desire to change a fan term that has been in use for years to fit with your perception of it.
Snack earned that rank to begin with. Then he got punished for failure like everyone in the BMPs gets punished for failure in general. No special case here.
The 16 Division Commanders canonically all have the equal authority regardless of strength. Same with the Sweet Commanders, same with the All Stars etc. etc.
No amount of fandom perceived concepts that Oda never takes any notice of is going to change that.
On side note, yeah, the top three strongest subordinate characters in a crew will always have superior portrayal over everyone else in a crew.
Just like the top five strongest subordinate characters in a crew will always have superior portrayal over everyone else in a crew.
Or the top ten strongest subordinate characters.
Or the top fifteen or the top twenty and etc. etc. etc. etc.
There is always going to be a first, second and third strongest subordinate character for as long as there are three or more than three subordinate characters to begin with. Lel.
Those three are literally the only named members of Shanks’ crew besides new recruit Rockstar and Shanks himself. We know nothing about them. They may not even have a rank authority based system to begin with, just like Roger never bothered with such a thing.
Both the YC1/2/3/4 ranking system and the term Monster Trio are purely fandom perceived concepts.
For as long as the fandom as a whole perceives and uses the term Monster Trio to mean Luffy, Zoro, Sanji then that is essentially what it means regardless of how much you yourself desire to change a fan term that has been in use for years to fit with your perception of it.
Only Moriah. The other 2 were kicked out for betraying the WG
Oda chose for there to be 3 All Stars. Oda chose for there to be 3 Sweet Commanders when he revealed them (only to later reveal that there was a 4th SC in the past who got demoted for being too weak, just to hype Urouge). Oda chose to make Marco, Jozu, and Vista much stronger than any other DC. Oda chose to highlight only 3 RHPs.
Oda chose for there to be 3 All Stars. Oda chose for there to be 3 Sweet Commanders when he revealed them (only to later reveal that there was a 4th SC in the past who got demoted for being too weak, just to hype Urouge). Oda chose to make Marco, Jozu, and Vista much stronger than any other DC. Oda chose to highlight only 3 RHPs.
It is a canonical fact that Warlords must never be publicly defeated while possessing the title or else they are stripped of said title. The betrayal is irrelevant, they were all going to lose their title regardless due to their respective defeats. The respective betrayals of Doflamingo and Crocodile were merely additional reasons to strip them of their title.
Oda also chose for there to be Ten Titanic Captains, which is the group that I have noticed that you are avoiding to address since they do not fit the criteria of the theory that you are peddling.
Dude, the difference in lore reveal between Cracker and Snack is going to be about a chapter, maybe two chapters. Lel. It is not some “later” retcon.
Oda chose for there to be four individuals who all held the title of Sweet Commander at the same time in the lore. End of.
Hmm, it is almost as if first, second and third strongest are always going to be comparatively stronger than anyone who is fourth strongest or below.
Who would have guessed?
Also, did you know that the second strongest Yonko Commander in a crew is always stronger than the third strongest Yonko Commander?
Or that countries with a larger population than France have more people in them?
The things one learns in a day.
Oda chose to only reveal the names of three of Shanks’ original crew members. For all we know, everyone that stood by Shanks side at Marineford is going to be revealed as a Yonko Commander or maybe Shanks just has a First Mate.
We literally know nothing about the RHPs and everything regarding their crew dynamics is purely an assumption.
Look man, if you want to invent “evidence” to back up your perception regarding the definition of certain fan terms that have never officially existed in the actual manga then go ahead, I do not care.
Just do not be surprised when no one buys whatever it is that you are selling.
Oda also chose for there to be Ten Titanic Captains, which is the group that I have noticed that you are avoiding to address since they do not fit the criteria of the theory that you are peddling.
Dude, the difference in lore reveal between Cracker and Snack is going to be about a chapter, maybe two chapters. Lel. It is not some “later” retcon.
Oda chose for there to be four individuals who all held the title of Sweet Commander at the same time in the lore. End of.
Hmm, it is almost as if first, second and third strongest are always going to be comparatively stronger than anyone who is fourth strongest or below.
Who would have guessed?
Also, did you know that the second strongest Yonko Commander in a crew is always stronger than the third strongest Yonko Commander?
Or that countries with a larger population than France have more people in them?
The things one learns in a day.
Oda chose to only reveal the names of three of Shanks’ original crew members. For all we know, everyone that stood by Shanks side at Marineford is going to be revealed as a Yonko Commander or maybe Shanks just has a First Mate.
We literally know nothing about the RHPs and everything regarding their crew dynamics is purely an assumption.
Look man, if you want to invent “evidence” to back up your perception regarding the definition of certain fan terms that have never officially existed in the actual manga then go ahead, I do not care.
Just do not be surprised when no one buys whatever it is that you are selling.
imagine thinking after all this time oda is going to stop grouping sanji with zoro and luffy
Looks like all these Sanji fanboys still can’t cope with the fact that the Monster Trio was more of a fan made thing than a real story construct, given that it’s been mentioned two or three times in a twenty year story and has never been emphasized, and they’re clinging to it so hard because the alternative is facing the truth that Sanji is now the fifth strongest member of the crew if you count Yamato’s request as an official acceptance.
