Senjutsu doesn't help against Tobirama, and Minato's terrible at it. Tobirama more than likely has a bigger arsenal than Minato: he has FTG, water jutsu, EDO Tensei, etc. He's no less than Minato in intelligence if not smarter. He has a much bigger chakra pool too. Minato wins but Tobirama can be better based on the scenario. None of Tobirama's arsenal would prove to be effective on Minato besides his speed and FTG and more or less the same goes for the other way around. This is a battle of speeds and teleportation, and Minato has a clear edge over Tobirama.
You mean against Tobirama? Madara was always stronger than Tobirama even before he gained EMS. That isn't something he could only do with Senjutsu. EMS Madara was fighting Hashiram in CQC on equal footing during the VotE duel.
Minato doesn't need Senjutsu to dodge Tobirama. He's already more than fast enough in base. He's both physically faster than Tobirama and has a better teleportation technique. Senjutsu is totally meaningless here. At best, Minato can use it as a one-time thing to end the fight quickly. I'd say even regular basket ball sized Rasengan would do the trick.
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Minato doesn't need Senjutsu to dodge Tobirama. He's already more than fast enough in base. He's both physically faster than Tobirama and has a better teleportation technique. Senjutsu is totally meaningless here. At best, Minato can use it as a one-time thing to end the fight quickly. I'd say even regular basket ball sized Rasengan would do the trick.
Madara called Tobirama the fastest shinobi during his lifetime, even at Madara’s peak as he was alive FTG could hit him if taken off guard
that’s what Sage mode is for , it allows you to perceive attacks without the need to see them, which is exactly what Madara did to dodge Tobirama
that’s what Sage mode is for , it allows you to perceive attacks without the need to see them, which is exactly what Madara did to dodge Tobirama
Again, Madara was fighting Sage Mode Hashirama and continued to fight him until the latter ran out of the mode, which means Madara can operate at those levels even with EMS, which, in turn, proves he could dodge Tobirama even without Senjutsu. I agree it helped in this panel though—because he was almost blindsided.
I’m not doubting Tobirama could probably land a hit on base Hashirama as well, but it isn’t kinda that obvious that the two never fought? Madara on the other hand was constantly at war with the Senju, him praising(or mocking) Tobirama as the faster means a lot more
And that’s my point with senjutsu. In a battle of STJ, we know it only takes one hit to end the battle. If Minato is capable of dodging every single attack that is a huge deal
edit: also let’s not forget Hashi fought Madara and the Kyubi at the same time lol. That sage mode was probably to even the playing field
And that’s my point with senjutsu. In a battle of STJ, we know it only takes one hit to end the battle. If Minato is capable of dodging every single attack that is a huge deal
edit: also let’s not forget Hashi fought Madara and the Kyubi at the same time lol. That sage mode was probably to even the playing field
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Yeah, he probably could get in a hit on base Hashiram in CQC due to superior speed. But the "fastest" title is often more attributed to FTG than the actual physical speed. We do actually know for a fact that Tobirama is faster than Hashirama on foot as well. But landing attacks takes more than just foot speed. You gotta strike faster than your opponent can react. If you refer to Bee vs Minato scene, for whatever it's worth, Bee reacted and pointed a blade at Minato at the same time as Minato appeared behind him. So even if you're faster than your opponents, it's still possible that they can react to your attacks if they're skilled and attentive enough akin to Bee.
It surely helps in increasing Minato's potency, but it comes at the cost of losing a bit of efficiency because it requires him to stay still at least for a bit to gather chakra. Tobirama could sense Senjutsu, and use that time to attack Minato. Minato is fully capable of holding off Tobirama even without Senjutsu, and Tobirama wouldn't need anything more than a big Rasengan to be taken out. Opting for Senjutsu is kinda counter-productive, especially considering Minato's terrible mastery over it.
It surely helps in increasing Minato's potency, but it comes at the cost of losing a bit of efficiency because it requires him to stay still at least for a bit to gather chakra. Tobirama could sense Senjutsu, and use that time to attack Minato. Minato is fully capable of holding off Tobirama even without Senjutsu, and Tobirama wouldn't need anything more than a big Rasengan to be taken out. Opting for Senjutsu is kinda counter-productive, especially considering Minato's terrible mastery over it.
Even though we have the statement that puts Minato directly above Tobirama in speed we can still acknowledge that Minato was impressed by his reaction and attack speed. Tobirama definitely gives Minato a run for his money in speed.
Tobirama was such a genius Shinobi, we've only touched the surface level of the jutsu that he has created and mastered plus the Senju chakra pool.
Kishi...
Tobirama was such a genius Shinobi, we've only touched the surface level of the jutsu that he has created and mastered plus the Senju chakra pool.
Kishi...
Minato wouldn't use sage mode in a battle, it didn't even occur to him to use it during the greatest war, he had to be reminded and he could only sustain it for one panel. He didn't even use it when he was killed by kurama. Sage mode is a non-factor in this fight.
Tobirama is the upgraded version of Minato. Give him nine tails chakra before he can stand a chance.
Tobirama is the upgraded version of Minato. Give him nine tails chakra before he can stand a chance.