General & Others Monster Trio will stay

[OEKaneki]

I would say that the discussion turning somehow to Zoro being equal to Luffy is unsurprising, despite how absurd it is and has always been because it's never been the case.

The fact that Oda felt the need to call them out like that and distinguish the three over the rest of the crew is enough.
The Douriki did not do that actually because 1) Zoro and Sanji high end of mid diffed their opponent, while for Luffy it was actually the most extreme fight he had so far, with both going blow to blow and leaving everything on the table. You can guess what kind of opponent Luffy would same diff as Zoro and Sanji did Kaku and Jabra respectively, but it´s definitely closer than Fukurou and Kumadori were to the latter two (Franky same diffed Fukurou like Zoro and Sanji did their opponents, Chopper extreme diffed Kumadori) and equally important 2) the three strongest of CP9 all had Zoan fruits that significantly increased their physical abilities, which was pointed out several times, compared to Kumadori and Fukurou, who did not have any DFs, and Kalifa and Blueno who had more assistance type DFs. To add, both Lucci and Jabra had predatory type Zoans, which even additionally adds to it.

So yes, the three being closer than the crew are to them has always been true pre-TS, obviously before Franky and Robin even joined, but also after that. I would say around high diff opponents for Luffy.

Not really, when there was no significant meaning behind it and it wasn't meant to be an actual distinction. The distinction came about because of the fans, who took it as a rule. It wasn't a distinction, more just Nami labeling them monsters.

Regarding the douriki, I wouldn't say that at all. Zoro and Sanji didn't mid diff their opponents. Neither one of them were winning at any point, nor even have the upper hand briefly, until they used their final attacks. Those weren't easy fights for them, and they weren't anything lower than high diff. With that said, the point still stands. Lucci's douriki was near double that of the next strongest, Kaku. The devil fruits weren't counted in the douriki, iirc, and further more predatory zoans just make them more aggressive, not stronger. The opponents of Zoro and Sanji were closer in strength to the rest of the crew's opponents than they were to Luffy's opponent, based on the numbers provided.

It wasn't true pre-TS, though it was much closer.

Post-TS, that obviously changed. Sanji was barely matching opponents who were in the past and still are getting toyed with by the level of Luffy´s opponents, while Zoro was somewhere in-between these two (i would say Luffy was mid high tier, Zoro low high tier or high mid tier, Sanji mid mid tier, and Franky low mid tier). So obviously monster trio did not make much sense anymore.
And then Luffy even went further ahead with FS, high high tier, while everyone else remained the same. And with Jinbe joining, who himself is a low high tier, maybe even more, the concept became utterly meaningless.
With Sanji getting the RS, he jumped significantly up, but it´s debatable if he can advance from Jinbe more than the gap between him and Luffy, which is still really big, especially with Luffy learning another advanced Haki technique and moving up to top tier levels.
So right now, Jinbe, Sanji and Zoro are all pretty close to each other, while Luffy is significantly ahead, and the gap between Sanji/Jinbe and Franky is also very big, hence why it makes more sense to group these three together now.
What is gonna happen in the future can be debated, but i still do not see how Sanji could remain closer to PK level Luffy than to high tier Jinbe.

I agree with most of that. I think that the raid suit was Oda's way of making Sanji competitive against even run of the mill players in the New World, which he wasn't prior. I don't think he'll ever surpass Jinbe, and won't be anything close to Luffy's EOS level as you indicated, and I don't think that Zoro will for that matter either. Zoro will be under Yonko level EOS, I think.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Still post Wano Zoro>>Sanji/Jinbei

 

[Jackteo]

EL: Jinbe >> Luffy > Zoro = Sanji
At the end of TB: Jinbe >> Luffy > Zoro > Sanji
FMI: Luffy >= Jinbe > Zoro > Sanji
At the end of DR: Luffy > Jinbe > Zoro > Sanji
Now: Luffy >> RS Sanji > Enma Zoro >= Jinbe
At the end of Wano: Luffy > Zoro >= Sanji > Jinbe
(Jinbe joins the crew)
EoS: Luffy > Zoro > Sanji >> Jinbe

So it will stay in my opinion

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

It will stay. Have faith in Oda. That newbie Law or fat Jinbei isnt replacing anybody.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

EL: Jinbe >> Luffy > Zoro = Sanji
At the end of TB: Jinbe >> Luffy > Zoro > Sanji
FMI: Luffy >= Jinbe > Zoro > Sanji
At the end of DR: Luffy > Jinbe > Zoro > Sanji
Now: Luffy >> RS Sanji > Enma Zoro >= Jinbe
At the end of Wano: Luffy > Zoro >= Sanji > Jinbe
(Jinbe joins the crew)
EoS: Luffy > Zoro > Sanji >> Jinbe

So it will stay in my opinion

Rs Sanji above Enma Zoro

 

[Jackteo]

Enma Zoro above RS Sanji


The national treasure of Wano and only black blade alongside the Yoru was a stick compared to the mighty Enma.

 

[nik87]

Enma is irrelevant when it comes to Zoro and Sanji and how do you think Sanji stands a chance with his low AP? @Jackteo

 

[Ice devil slayer]

 

[ZoroGang]

Enma Zoro above RS Sanji


The national treasure of Wano and only black blade alongside the Yoru was a stick compared to the mighty Enma.

Shushi zoro is above rs sanji to
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Sanji was never on zoros level. Re read the manga Sanji is the comic relief strong guy , he’s not on zoro level

 

[Finalbeta]

Law ain't going anywhere since his DF is too important for the economy of the series

 

[Jackteo]

Sanji was never on zoros level

Of course he is not, he is stronger. He has been nerfing himself from the beginning of the serie to let Zoro be on par with him.

Enma is irrelevant when it comes to Zoro and Sanji and how do you think Sanji stands a chance with his low AP? @Jackteo

Zoro wouldn't even see the neck breaking coming

 

[nik87]

Zoro wouldn't even see the neck breaking coming

Uhm, Zoro has CoO, no?

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

This is the way things will be Post Wano in my opinion :

Luffy (Captain) : Old Gen level (Garp, Sengoku and Rayleigh)

Zoro (First Mate) : YC1 tier (Stronger than Katakuri and King but weaker than Marco and Benn Beckman)

Jinbei (YC2) : In between YC1 and YC2 (Stronger than Queen but weaker than King)

Sanji (YC3) : YC3 tier (Stronger than Cracker and Jack but weaker than Vista and Yasopp)

 

[Rmstorm]

Post Wano, Luffy will be as strong as Fujitora and Kizaru. He has 1 more fight with Blackbeard before he become Pirate King.

 

[True God Moe]

After wano it will be the M2

I see only one being Yonko and one is underling, nah. Zoro is not being above Luffy or even his equal lol.
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This is the way things will be Post Wano in my opinion :

Luffy (Captain) : Old Gen level (Garp, Sengoku and Rayleigh)

Zoro (First Mate) : YC1 tier (Stronger than Katakuri and King but weaker than Marco and Benn Beckman)

Jinbei (YC2) : In between YC1 and YC2 (Stronger than Queen but weaker than King)

Sanji (YC3) : YC3 tier (Stronger than Cracker and Jack but weaker than Vista and Yasopp)

Sanji already stronger than Jimbei, don't see he is under him especially Sanji been more portrayal to Zoro lately. Plus Jimbei passed his prime point, Sanji and Zoro haven't reach their prime yet.
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Shushi zoro is above rs sanji to
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Sanji was never on zoros level. Re read the manga Sanji is the comic relief strong guy , he’s not on zoro level

Doesn't Zoro get his ass lost all day and has many comic relief as anyone in the crew? Stop hating and see that Sanji and Zoro are forever equals in the end.
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you take bets on who is part of a nonexistent group?

new M3 is Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and Shanks left arm.

Luffy and Zoro will eventually end up above everyone who joins the SH. no exceptions. Sanji will never become stronger than Jinbe. never.
I take bets on that btw.

You really betting that? Dude you do realize he been pushing Sanji to be in top tiers for awhile especially defeating PO, an Yonko Veteran of T6H/Numbers. Sanji already was bit above Jimbei and after Wano he be even more above in the end. Zoro isn't on Luffy's lvl and never will be that is something I will also bet on and he is same lvl as Sanji under Luffy, but are close to his power though.
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You do realize this is before crew joined more and dynamic so of course these 2 are more portray together back then. You reaching off the handle as usual, Nik XD.
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I would say that the discussion turning somehow to Zoro being equal to Luffy is unsurprising, despite how absurd it is and has always been because it's never been the case.

Not really, when there was no significant meaning behind it and it wasn't meant to be an actual distinction. The distinction came about because of the fans, who took it as a rule. It wasn't a distinction, more just Nami labeling them monsters.

Regarding the douriki, I wouldn't say that at all. Zoro and Sanji didn't mid diff their opponents. Neither one of them were winning at any point, nor even have the upper hand briefly, until they used their final attacks. Those weren't easy fights for them, and they weren't anything lower than high diff. With that said, the point still stands. Lucci's douriki was near double that of the next strongest, Kaku. The devil fruits weren't counted in the douriki, iirc, and further more predatory zoans just make them more aggressive, not stronger. The opponents of Zoro and Sanji were closer in strength to the rest of the crew's opponents than they were to Luffy's opponent, based on the numbers provided.

It wasn't true pre-TS, though it was much closer.

I agree with most of that. I think that the raid suit was Oda's way of making Sanji competitive against even run of the mill players in the New World, which he wasn't prior. I don't think he'll ever surpass Jinbe, and won't be anything close to Luffy's EOS level as you indicated, and I don't think that Zoro will for that matter either. Zoro will be under Yonko level EOS, I think.

Pretty sure Sanji is above Jimbei especially looking at their feats and opponents they beaten. Plus given Sanji doing more work in the arc than Jimbei, don't see how Jimbei will be above him as Oda obviously pushing it more Sanji overall and even stronger than him. It been Sanji and Zoro as rivals and equals as Oda push since pre-timeskip, doubt he will take that away especially he continues it to this day. They thrive to compete with each other and do better than other as how they react, so hardly don't think Jimbei be above them at all especially unlike them, Jimbei hit his prime, Sanji and Zoro haven't so all the more reason I see it possible at EOS especially eventuality they need to fight WG and beat Admirals as well too.

Got to stop undermining Sanji as Oda see big things in him along with Luffy and Zoro. Obviously he won't surpassed Luffy, but being in top tier will be there for sure.

 

[Winsmoke Sanji]

Sanji and Zoro are already above Jinbei him joining doesn't change that. He's more of a novelty at this point
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This is the way things will be Post Wano in my opinion :

Luffy (Captain) : Old Gen level (Garp, Sengoku and Rayleigh)

Zoro (First Mate) : YC1 tier (Stronger than Katakuri and King but weaker than Marco and Benn Beckman)

Jinbei (YC2) : In between YC1 and YC2 (Stronger than Queen but weaker than King)

Sanji (YC3) : YC3 tier (Stronger than Cracker and Jack but weaker than Vista and Yasopp)

Jinbei will no way be over Sanji by a commader level EVER

 

[nik87]

You do realize this is before crew joined more and dynamic so of course these 2 are more portray together back then. You reaching off the handle as usual, Nik XD.

Good luck by trying to stick a guy who puts cooking first with guys who abandoned their lives to realize their dreams. :sneaky:

Sanji and Zoro are already above Jinbei him joining doesn't change that. He's more of a novelty at this point
Jinbei will no way be over against by a commader level EVER

Since when is Sanji above one of the most durable Shichibukais ever, or above any Shichibukai not named Buggyjiro?
Jinbe is already a commander lvl and in water I would compare him even to a Yonko. The guy is a freaking monster.

 

[True God Moe]

Good luck by trying to stick a guy who puts cooking first with guys who abandoned their lives to realize their dreams. :sneaky:


Since when is Sanji against one of the most durable Shichibukais ever, or above any Shichibukai not named Buggyjiro?
Jinbe is already a commander lvl and in water I would compare him even to a Yonko. The guy is a freaking monster.

Didn't Zoro got Yasu killed by fucking up the plan and messing up for everyone. Even Luffy and Law call out his unhelpful shit ;).

Sanji is passed that and fight for his dreams like everyone else. Trying so hard to use debut to hurt a character, but wasn't Zoro gonna died and gave up on his side of things when Luffy met him lol.

 

[Winsmoke Sanji]

Good luck by trying to stick a guy who puts cooking first with guys who abandoned their lives to realize their dreams. :sneaky:


Since when is Sanji above one of the most durable Shichibukais ever, or above any Shichibukai not named Buggyjiro?
Jinbe is already a commander lvl and in water I would compare him even to a Yonko. The guy is a freaking monster.

Not really I haven't really seen anything that puts him in commander level for me he's in between 3rd commander and veteran imo

 

[nik87]

Didn't Zoro got Yasu killed by fucking up the plan and messing up for everyone. Even Luffy and Law call out his unhelpful shit ;).

Tell me more about that headcanon.

Sanji is passed that and fight for his dreams like everyone else. Trying so hard to use debut to hurt a character, but wasn't Zoro gonna died and gave up on his side of things when Luffy met him lol.

Sanji's best achievement is off panel supposed win against some mere underling of a Yonko while Jinbe slapped a Yonko off his ship.

Not really I haven't really seen anything that puts him in commander level for me he's in between 3rd commander and veteran imo

Ah just the thing that he stopped Akainu with his bare hand and didnt die from a clean hit into his back from which a YC2 Ace died.