Powers & Abilities More Skilled Swordsman (Specifically RYOU and BOAT)

[bennbeckman]

@Charlotte Horchata

We will use a poll to clear up our debate because that's a lot easier than going back and forth

This is not who has stronger CoA or is stronger in general, it's specially about which user is more skilled in using Ryou and BOAT

 

[Non]

Well, they both got strong wills. I guess Zoro because he actually trains for his dream with these abilities.

 

[Finalbeta]

Yeah of course Zoro

But Kin'emon knew some very useful tricks Zoro hadn't happened to learn yet

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

It's blasphemous to think that someone who was born in a Country of Swordsman where the concept of Ryou would have been instilled upon them from a young age and they lived there for 36 years has better knowledge, understanding and control over it, compared to someone who just learned how to use it properly over the last two (in story) years.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

kinemon is more skilled
zoro is stronger.

 

[bennbeckman]

kinemon is more skilled
zoro is stronger.

Kinemon is more knowledgable
Zoro IMO is more skilled

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Kinemon is more knowledgable
Zoro IMO is more skilled

Outside of showing what a lot of other Swordsman have shown to be capable of doing with Ryou, what has Zoro done to show he is more skilled? Zoro can cut steel but so can Kinemon. Kinemon can cut Fire and Explosions, Zoro can't.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

zoro doesnt tame enma because he is more skilled with ryou fyi
oden tamed it at a very young age and its def not cause he was skilled with ryou at that age than kinemon now
its because his ryou/willpower was strong enough to.

 

[bennbeckman]

Outside of showing what a lot of other Swordsman have shown to be capable of doing with Ryou, what has Zoro done to show he is more skilled? Zoro can cut steel but so can Kinemon. Kinemon can cut Fire and Explosions, Zoro can't.

That's like saying Mihawk can't cut fire so Kinemon is more skilled than Mihawk

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

That's like saying Mihawk can't cut fire so Kinemon is more skilled than Mihawk

he could be
mihawk is the strongest one
not the most skilled but prob not.

 

[Chaves]

Zoro must reach the Kinemon's level ryuuou control in later during the arc, when he cuts off the King's fire

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

That's like saying Mihawk can't cut fire so Kinemon is more skilled than Mihawk

Maybe he can, we don't know that. What we do know is that Zoro wants there to be nothing he can't cut, which is why he has that mantra that he says. Cutting fire is obviously a Ryou technique, and is something Kinemon can do. If someone can do something you want to be able to do but can't, then they are more skilled than you are.

 

[Finalbeta]

That's like saying Mihawk can't cut fire so Kinemon is more skilled than Mihawk

The thing is it is also not much different than saying Katakuri has FS hence his CoO is the best in the series

Which is obviously false :)

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Zoro like wtf?
Kinnemon was too scared to even touch Enma and was shitting his pants last time Zoro used Ryou

 

[bennbeckman]

Maybe he can, we don't know that. What we do know is that Zoro wants there to be nothing he can't cut, which is why he has that mantra that he says. Cutting fire is obviously a Ryou technique, and is something Kinemon can do. If someone can do something you want to be able to do but can't, then they are more skilled than you are.

Cutting fire isnt obviously a Ryou technique, we dont know that, what if the rest of the scabbards can't cut fire? It's just an assumption just like your assumption with Mihawk. Same assumption with Zoro at this point, in PH he obviously could not cut fire, but do we know that now, we do not.

Zoro was able to get his haki back from Enma... can Kinemon do that? Maybe he can, maybe he cant.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

If you seriously think Kinnemon has better Ryou than Zoro, I say this with all the respect in the world, You are mentally challenged.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Cutting fire isnt obviously a Ryou technique, we dont know that, what if the rest of the scabbards can't cut fire? It's just an assumption just like your assumption with Mihawk. Same assumption with Zoro at this point, in PH he obviously could not cut fire, but do we know that now, we do not.

Zoro was able to get his haki back from Enma... can Kinemon do that? Maybe he can, maybe he cant.

taming enma is strength based not based on skill
and cut anything/ cutting nothing is boat/skill based
cutting fire
diamonds
anything has to do with boat.

 

[Finalbeta]

If you seriously think Kinnemon has better Ryou than Zoro, I say this with all the respect in the world, You are mentally challenged.

You went too soft :P

I mean everyone should be capable of realizing that Kin'emon is even much weaker than a Base Sanji, let alone Current Zoro

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Cutting fire isnt obviously a Ryou technique, we dont know that, what if the rest of the scabbards can't cut fire? It's just an assumption just like your assumption with Mihawk. Same assumption with Zoro at this point, in PH he obviously could not cut fire, but do we know that now, we do not.

Zoro was able to get his haki back from Enma... can Kinemon do that? Maybe he can, maybe he cant.

Ryou is the only thing that can explain cutting fire without Oda pulling out some brand new ability that hasn't been alluded to within the series whatsoever.

 

[bennbeckman]

taming enma is strength based not based on skill
and cut anything/ cutting nothing is boat/skill based
cutting fire
diamonds
anything has to do with boat.

That's also a different discussion, im very interested to hear from your POV, please expand on why you dont think taming enma is skilled based as well?
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Ryou is the only thing that can explain cutting fire without Oda pulling out some brand new ability that hasn't been alluded to within the series whatsoever.

It could be Kinemon's own technique that he himself picked up.