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Why do you know her timezone, Aaron?
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Why do you know her timezone, Aaron?
I don't think that's what she's saying too, but the fact that she thinks it's okay to call out men for something as basic as not wanting to date overweight women says a lot about how men and women are treated when it comes to their dating standards.
Yes, we can't put the blame on women for men's problems; that's ridiculous. And I don't think Rej was placing the blame on women when he said women leave more men heartbroken. It's a well-observed fact. Average women have easier access to men than the other way around—so they naturally get to reject more. And I don't think it's wrong to be heartbroken after rejection, whether a man or a woman.
Here's the issue though, when a woman is heartbroken, she receives all kinds of support from the people around her as well as society. When a man is dealing with the same, he's told to stfu and deal with it. So they end up doing all kinds of dumb shit like blaming women, killing themselves, becoming drug addicts, etc, making their lives miserable. Is it the right thing to do? no, it's dumb to do any of this over rejection.
What can we, as a society, do about it? I'd say the last thing we wanna do if we care about the next generations is to not make their lives even more miserable by calling them losers for getting rejected. But we love doing what we're not supposed to do, so we do exactly that; that's where words like "incels" originate from.
That was totally uncalled for. There is no need for insults when you're having a normal discussion.
Yes, we can't put the blame on women for men's problems; that's ridiculous. And I don't think Rej was placing the blame on women when he said women leave more men heartbroken. It's a well-observed fact. Average women have easier access to men than the other way around—so they naturally get to reject more. And I don't think it's wrong to be heartbroken after rejection, whether a man or a woman.
Here's the issue though, when a woman is heartbroken, she receives all kinds of support from the people around her as well as society. When a man is dealing with the same, he's told to stfu and deal with it. So they end up doing all kinds of dumb shit like blaming women, killing themselves, becoming drug addicts, etc, making their lives miserable. Is it the right thing to do? no, it's dumb to do any of this over rejection.
What can we, as a society, do about it? I'd say the last thing we wanna do if we care about the next generations is to not make their lives even more miserable by calling them losers for getting rejected. But we love doing what we're not supposed to do, so we do exactly that; that's where words like "incels" originate from.
That was totally uncalled for. There is no need for insults when you're having a normal discussion.
No it's not
Naruto has no politics, it's a story about ninja's fighting using fancy supernatural powers
Cowboy bebop is not political, it's a story about a bounty hunter going weekly adventure of the week
There are stories with poltitical themes such as akame ga kill with it's story about the corrupt government and how these rebels try to take it down. it's a theme cause it's not the core of the story or the events thereof like you can like it without being a fan of more anarchist messages
a true poltitical story would be something like modern marvel comics which directly speaks on poltitical matters
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Naruto never said hey vote democrat where alot of these western shows might aswell just f-king say it directly given how open they are about their poltitical leanings
alot of this new fiction borders on being literal propaganda
Careful, because you are targetting EXACTLY the right problem, but at the same time I think you are missing your end point. The goal should not be to go easier on incels, we should not. NEVER. Instead, we must end toxic masculinity (the key reason for all the things you are mentionning) and the roots.
For that, we must go from the top to the ground, meaning we must attack toxic masculinity where it has the most influence first : Medias (Movie/Manga/Comics/Series etc.) Nicely enough, Oda as done an amazing job targetting toxic masculinity (i think without purpose) during the whoel cake island arc for example.
Again, one of the victim of patriarchy is men
Not because they are sexually deprived or because women are attacking them, but because toxic behavior are rooted deep into all our own subconscious.. (and that work on both men and women)
- Telling men not to cry
- Telling men to stay strong where the solution is to call for help
Etc. Those are just a glimps of the real problem.
Here is a little explaination on what toxic masculinity is:
From the same content creator a great video on how the cinema is actually telling the men not to cry. I choose that video cause it's pretty telling and because it's one of the easiest one to watch at first (because when you are not understanding what the guy is saying, you will tend to hear what he says as attacks against yourself, instead, they are statements against a system)
If you want to continue, I suggest this one. Much harder to watch. But still pretty "Ewwww my gosh"
And if you are not convinced that their is a problem with the view of masculinity in the media:
Here is a goody, the men are the victims here:
For that, we must go from the top to the ground, meaning we must attack toxic masculinity where it has the most influence first : Medias (Movie/Manga/Comics/Series etc.) Nicely enough, Oda as done an amazing job targetting toxic masculinity (i think without purpose) during the whoel cake island arc for example.
Again, one of the victim of patriarchy is men
Not because they are sexually deprived or because women are attacking them, but because toxic behavior are rooted deep into all our own subconscious.. (and that work on both men and women)
- Telling men not to cry
- Telling men to stay strong where the solution is to call for help
Etc. Those are just a glimps of the real problem.
Here is a little explaination on what toxic masculinity is:
From the same content creator a great video on how the cinema is actually telling the men not to cry. I choose that video cause it's pretty telling and because it's one of the easiest one to watch at first (because when you are not understanding what the guy is saying, you will tend to hear what he says as attacks against yourself, instead, they are statements against a system)
If you want to continue, I suggest this one. Much harder to watch. But still pretty "Ewwww my gosh"
And if you are not convinced that their is a problem with the view of masculinity in the media:
Here is a goody, the men are the victims here:
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Naruto has no politic?
Are you trolling mate?
The story is litterally the one of a rejected boy, Naruto, who will eventually try to seek peace through his actions in the world against all odds, multiple countries and the pass of his friend self rejected from the society, Sasuke. It's hyper political.
Plus you might learn that the presence of politic in a media, doesn't always means that their is a political warfare or a state conflict (there are in Naruto). Politic deals with the way you view society. In short, a political viewpoint is a viewpoint on how the society must work. In storytelling, it's translated by the way a character should act. That's the character arc and the choice they are making during the story. And that's EVERY STORY EVER.
Stories ARE political viewpoints.
Are you trolling mate?
The story is litterally the one of a rejected boy, Naruto, who will eventually try to seek peace through his actions in the world against all odds, multiple countries and the pass of his friend self rejected from the society, Sasuke. It's hyper political.
Plus you might learn that the presence of politic in a media, doesn't always means that their is a political warfare or a state conflict (there are in Naruto). Politic deals with the way you view society. In short, a political viewpoint is a viewpoint on how the society must work. In storytelling, it's translated by the way a character should act. That's the character arc and the choice they are making during the story. And that's EVERY STORY EVER.
Stories ARE political viewpoints.
You guys have such a hateful almost bitter intent behind anything said to men, it comes off as if you have daddy issues or just got smacked too many times by your ex bf
men are toxic and privileged pigs, like you understand that rhetoric is the sort of reason why alot of men and even women arent on your side anymore
i just dont get why i would side with people who hate me, it sounds completely stupid
Love how when men fail it's some internalized toxicity or subconscious feeling that they possess
but when women fail, it's the fault of society cause the patrichy
Your a female advocacy group so you make up any reason for women to sound better if it sounds totally stupid
we have men femminists mras or whatever you wanna call them who advocate for men and their the same way at least in principle yet you shame one not the other, your entire position rests on hypocrital nonsense supported a media culture group and a set of fellow other ideologues who share the same beliefs rarely ever have you ever been supported on the merit of a claim instead resting on what amounts to power ironic for a group supposed to be anti esblishment
men are toxic and privileged pigs, like you understand that rhetoric is the sort of reason why alot of men and even women arent on your side anymore
i just dont get why i would side with people who hate me, it sounds completely stupid
Love how when men fail it's some internalized toxicity or subconscious feeling that they possess
but when women fail, it's the fault of society cause the patrichy
Your a female advocacy group so you make up any reason for women to sound better if it sounds totally stupid
we have men femminists mras or whatever you wanna call them who advocate for men and their the same way at least in principle yet you shame one not the other, your entire position rests on hypocrital nonsense supported a media culture group and a set of fellow other ideologues who share the same beliefs rarely ever have you ever been supported on the merit of a claim instead resting on what amounts to power ironic for a group supposed to be anti esblishment
It delves into various means of solving through violence such as violence in the case of nagato and negotiation in the case of naruto
but solving a hatred is not inherently poltitical not even as a theme
it's not discussing capitalism,communisms or any other poltitical system so how it's a story regarding poltitical matters is beyond me
but solving a hatred is not inherently poltitical not even as a theme
it's not discussing capitalism,communisms or any other poltitical system so how it's a story regarding poltitical matters is beyond me
If i read correclty argument was that if men will call out women for wanting someone who earns 6 figures then women shouldnt have right to call men out when they reject someone fat. And that is totally fine IMO
Men will also aproach way more girls than women will approach men in their lives. So ofc because of that men will get more heartbroken.
Being heartbroken is perfectly fine, it aint a problem as long as you dont blame their girl for something you are at fault.
Could be difference of social life where you are, but here if one of my male friends is heartbroken we talk to him, support him and so on. That is what friends are for after all.
If your friends dont do that, get new friends
If you get rejected over and over the problem is in you. Harsh, but it is the truth
Ofc no one should be name called as long as they strive to improve themselves.
However once a person start blaming others, doesnt improve himself at all, becomes a victim in his eyes - then yes he deserves to be called incel
I am all for men becoming best version of themselves, but that involves effort. And when i see lack of effort i see finger starting to be pointed at others.
Men will also aproach way more girls than women will approach men in their lives. So ofc because of that men will get more heartbroken.
Being heartbroken is perfectly fine, it aint a problem as long as you dont blame their girl for something you are at fault.
Could be difference of social life where you are, but here if one of my male friends is heartbroken we talk to him, support him and so on. That is what friends are for after all.
If your friends dont do that, get new friends
If you get rejected over and over the problem is in you. Harsh, but it is the truth
Ofc no one should be name called as long as they strive to improve themselves.
However once a person start blaming others, doesnt improve himself at all, becomes a victim in his eyes - then yes he deserves to be called incel
I am all for men becoming best version of themselves, but that involves effort. And when i see lack of effort i see finger starting to be pointed at others.
normal people dont define politics that way
nor does even google
If you talk about poltitical matters then your poltitical
not if you view society as a certain way as by that logic everything is poltitical which means nothing would be
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It's not everything yea
didt say it was
but the story is not talking about any poltitical matter much to the same vain as comics
where they tell you to the polls
If you want to quote those type of things, go through with it and read the actual wikipedia article and what the word means in a sociological context.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics
It does. In means that escape you, but it does. You are just blind to those political subject.
The way the society should run is ALL OVER Naruto. Look deeper, you missed the point.
So, when someone say: "don't put your political agenda on my movie", what they are actually saying is: "don't put viewpoint in my story".. ANd that.. can't make a story. You will just end up with experimental content.
Now, granted, some stories are subtle with that process, others are not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics
It does. In means that escape you, but it does. You are just blind to those political subject.
The way the society should run is ALL OVER Naruto. Look deeper, you missed the point.
So, when someone say: "don't put your political agenda on my movie", what they are actually saying is: "don't put viewpoint in my story".. ANd that.. can't make a story. You will just end up with experimental content.
Now, granted, some stories are subtle with that process, others are not.
And cool
wikipedia can think what it wants with it's very trustworthy information that anyone can edit at any time
but im using the word how most people use it or just how google uses it
because those definitions were not made with biases where yours clearly would be
And citing sociology is beyond stupid when your summarizing complex social problems with years of conditioning though societal standards and communications with other people as just lol the patriarchy
People are formed by the situations around them and circumstances thereof not because of some invisible power structure and you would know that if knew anything about sociology beyond just citing it as a idea
the theme is tackling hate, that has nothing to do with governance at least in large part
wikipedia can think what it wants with it's very trustworthy information that anyone can edit at any time
but im using the word how most people use it or just how google uses it
because those definitions were not made with biases where yours clearly would be
And citing sociology is beyond stupid when your summarizing complex social problems with years of conditioning though societal standards and communications with other people as just lol the patriarchy
People are formed by the situations around them and circumstances thereof not because of some invisible power structure and you would know that if knew anything about sociology beyond just citing it as a idea
the theme is tackling hate, that has nothing to do with governance at least in large part