Character Discussion Name one stat where Kaidou is average, because as far as I know, he's 100% in EVERYTHING.

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#141
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MonsterKaido said:
He can stack his raw stats with dragon DF stats.

Paw fruit does not have healing. The pain will get absorbed eventually to garp. You repeated yourself with heal/repel caused damage, pain thing but no when a user removes it , it can not stay out of user's body for long. It comes back.

In utility but not in power :kuzanshut:

Lets agree to diasgree if you think otherwise :kayneshrug:
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Lmao he can use his own pain against enemy, you don't understand anything:suresure:
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He literally healed Luffy..
 
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#143
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MonsterKaido said:
Pain =/= Damage nonetheless and I am pretty sure haki will negate such hax anyways :milaugh:
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Top ties can't negate each other's abilities if their haki is equal, you needs to be stronger than enemy to do that. For us it's two equal haki Garps.
Pain≠Damage ? Tell that to Zoro lol:milaugh:
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If it wasn't damage why Zoro was bleeding ?:gokulaugh:
 
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SakazOuki said:
Pathetic AP and DC


What is this shit, can barely crack the ground 😂

Kong Gun in comparison
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It's quite clear that Luffy even in Boundman can punch harder than anyone in OP, maybe except Garp.

BUT, Kaido's attacks:

(1) Use a super hard club/weapon

(2) Have much stronger Haki than DR Luffy

So even though Kaido did not have the same pushback power in his base/hybrid, the fact that's using a hard club claded in extremely strong Haki, means he can still do a shit ton of damage without environmental blowback.
 
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#146
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Why i always winning against this guy?:crazwhat:
MonsterKaido said:
Pure hax always gets negated by haki. You need to show Kuma ever being capable of doing that in first place.

It is true? Pain does not equate damage. Search it online :suresure:
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Sure bro, all this blood from Zoro was hallucinations. Him not being able to recover arc later was hallucinations too.
I remember how BM negated Law and Kidd hax, didn't happened.
What i need to prove? Kuma already showed us that he can push even his memories from himself, which is more difficult than just pain.
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Uncle Van

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Kurozumi Wiwi said:
Kaido had the longest fight in the series of course he'd manage to land hit (and thus get speed feats) against Luffy as a good fight is a back and forth but he got tagged too and and looked clueless too many times for me to believe Oda sees him as particularly fast character.
Kaido wasn't taking hits on purpose all the time either (as I saw this argument used) before. He was already trying to dodge hits by the time Luffy used Red Hawk.

Losing a clash and getting blitzed by Rooftop Zoro (sfx are that of weapons colliding)

Blitzed by base Luffy

Him and Yamato were portrayed to have the same attack speed

His powered up drunk self got shit on by G2 Luffy

Couldn't handle Snakeman punches at all prior to FS and shapeshifting to dragon form, suggesting his hybrid form is not nimble enough to get around it


Blitzed by a much slower looking G5 attack than WSG despite putting a guard

Now he does have great speed feats against Luffy strongest forms too , but overall I think he's supposed to have the speed needed of a high top tier and nothing more, aka he's capable of quick bursts making him able to tag anybody but speed is not supposed to be a shining stat, he has too many mediocre showings in that area from stuff much slower WSG for it to all be outliers. I picked a few examples where Kaido was in combat mode, and none of them are cheapshots or Kaido taking the hits on purpose outside of headcanons. I'm being extremely fair considering people pick moments like Sentoumaru tagging Kizaru where he was obviously being reminiscent of the past and showing off his defense or him trying to ignore Rayleigh that was next him to downplay his speed. If I wanted to argue in bad faith for agenda sake I could show examples of Kaido getting tagged and ragdolled by scabbards but I won't because I'm aware Oden PTSDs were kicking in.
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An aspect of reaction and combat speed that I never see people talk about is the consistency of said speed.

Base Luffy without FS was almost untouchable against Katakuri when focused entirely on dodging, but got beaten to hell when he tried fighting back with FS aka, he can't kept up the dodging at all times. Luffy with FS was capable of landing hits against Katakuri, but very rarely. Luffy needed Snakeman to land blows consistently.

So when it comes to Kaido and Kizaru, the difference is that Kizaru's reaction time is consistent enough to make him untouchable to Snakeman, while Kaido can't keep up with such reaction speed and gets hit even by Base Luffy.
 
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Bad English said:
Why i always winning against this guy?:crazwhat:

Sure bro, all this blood from Zoro was hallucinations. Him not being able to recover arc later was hallucinations too.
I remember how BM negated Law and Kidd hax, didn't happened.
What i need to prove? Kuma already showed us that he can push even his memories from himself, which is more difficult than just pain.
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Law needed awakening to harm BM. His base DF hax was not working :suresure:

Both Kaido and BM were too strong for law's base DF hax.

Kuma only takes pain out which zoro felt. It has never been shown to remove damage outright :willight:
 
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#149
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MonsterKaido said:
Law needed awakening to harm BM. His base DF hax was not working :suresure:

Both Kaido and BM were too strong for law's base DF hax.

Kuma only takes pain out which zoro felt. It has never been shown to remove damage outright :willight:
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Kaido can't negate gamma knife, injection so.
Reread, Luffy was healed.
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Garp wins
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"Fuck this shit I'm out" (DeadlyFart's outro)
 
LolonoisZolo

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MonsterKaido said:
Kuma only takes pain out which zoro felt. It has never been shown to remove damage outright :willight:
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Didn't follow your conversation so I'm not sure what's the topic but I just want to clarify this; It takes out pain and damage as seen in TB and ''nothing happened''.
Luffy was bloodied and bruised all over and then was completely fine and even stating that he was feeling very light; on the other side, Zoro bled so much that it shocked Sanji.
If it was pain only, why would Luffy be fine and Zoro bloodied all over ?
Kuma's power does everything, I'm even suspecting that it cleans and scrubs too
 
Djordje

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Only thing that separates Kaido from another top tiers ( like Whitebeard , Garp , Roger ) is his dragon scales durability.

He is not 100 in everything his lethality is pretty pathetic compared to top tier swordsman and his haki strength is whole tier below characters like Shanks , Joyboy , Imu , his reaction speed is seriously lacking too he gets tagged by everyone.
 
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