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TheAncientCenturion

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#81
#81
Shanal said:
Lacking Kishi's involvement and being canon are different things entirely. Specially when Kodachi is involved, who is main writer of Boruto and comes up with all stories and plot-lines on his own, meanwhile Kishimoto remains separate for most parts.
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You keep mentioning the writer of Boruto when we're talking about the Naruto novels. Their canonicity in regards to the original series is null. They're contradictions and poorly written.

Not being written by Kishi and never been labeled as canon by Kishi is really all that needs to be said.
Shanal said:
Yes, if there are any inconsistencies, ofc Manga is given precedent. She doesn't need to say that for anyone with common sense to understand. It being "only truth" encompasses Boruto, as well, btw, Jun is essentially saying Kishi's work takes precedent over every single material outside of Naruto manga.
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"It's sure that the original comic is one and only truth"

The author is outright stating that the spin-offs aren't the "truth", they aren't canon. They're a way to enjoy Naruto. There's no word of contradictions here, no word of errors. It's about the overall story itself.
 
Shanal

Shanal

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#82
#82
TheAncientCenturion said:
You keep mentioning the writer of Boruto
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Because that's who singlehandedly comes up with every single plot-line and story progression of anything after Naruto's end until 2020.

Kishimoto is not involved in Novels. That's true.

Kishimoto's involvement also have nothing to do with them being canon.

Shonen Jump, owners of Naruto, decided that these novels are to be canonical fill-ins for between Naruto and Boruto.



That's what Kishimoto signed them off as and illustrated for. Kishimoto did not sign them as non-canon spin-offs, but extension to Naruto canon.

That's why they got Kodachi, the individual who is supposed to be Kishimoto's successor and take story progression of Naruto going forward completely in his hands, to supervise:



Again, Kishimoto not being very involved has NOTHING to do with them being part of canonical time-line or not. That's up to Jump and Kodachi. They have Kishimoto's seal of approval to handle Naruto's canon timeline after the main manga's end. Jump literally owns Naruto manga lol

You know funny part? Jun's Manga is now part of Boruto anime, certified canon, and has a manga adaptation under Jump, as well
 
TheAncientCenturion

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#83
#83
Shanal said:
Kishimoto is not involved in Novels. That's true.

Kishimoto's involvement also have nothing to do with them being canon.
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I accept Boruto as the successor series, divorced from the original with all its changes being confined to it. Nor am I dumb enough to believe "supervision" means checking and clearing everything that goes into them. Manga authors "supervision" is not going over the content with a microscope.


It's a nod of the head and assistance.
 
Shanal

Shanal

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#84
#84
TheAncientCenturion said:
I accept Boruto as the successor series, divorced from the original with all its changes being confined to it. Nor am I dumb enough to believe "supervision" means checking and clearing everything that goes into them. Manga authors "supervision" is not going over the content with a microscope.


It's a nod of the head and assistance.
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I agree.

I don't think Kishimoto supervised anything other than just checking over once everything was made. Kishimoto himself has said that he is separated and is taking it easy, going on honey moon, enjoying life.

That's why I said being canon has nothing to do with Kishi being involved. Kodachi is the one who handled Naruto canon from 2014 up until 2020 barring some exceptions. That's why Jump got Kodachi to supervise and world build for material they wanted to present as part of main time-line.

Or, at least, novels are pretty much same as Boruto plot where Kishi wasn't heavily involved. Given seal of approval to be canon and are part of main naruto timeline as per Kodachi and Jump, yet handled by people who aren't Kishimoto for 100% of it.

If you want Kishimoto's portrayal of Naruto and its character, it's manga, gaiden and two movies. That's it. And Boruto from 2020 onward.
 
ZenZu

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
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#85
#85
Shanal said:
Because that's who singlehandedly comes up with every single plot-line and story progression of anything after Naruto's end until 2020.

Kishimoto is not involved in Novels. That's true.

Kishimoto's involvement also have nothing to do with them being canon.

Shonen Jump, owners of Naruto, decided that these novels are to be canonical fill-ins for between Naruto and Boruto.



That's what Kishimoto signed them off as and illustrated for. Kishimoto did not sign them as non-canon spin-offs, but extension to Naruto canon.

That's why they got Kodachi, the individual who is supposed to be Kishimoto's successor and take story progression of Naruto going forward completely in his hands, to supervise:



Again, Kishimoto not being very involved has NOTHING to do with them being part of canonical time-line or not. That's up to Jump and Kodachi. They have Kishimoto's seal of approval to handle Naruto's canon timeline after the main manga's end. Jump literally owns Naruto manga lol

You know funny part? Jun's Manga is now part of Boruto anime, certified canon, and has a manga adaptation under Jump, as well
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Boruto is just an official fanfic.

Naruto ended with Kishimoto. The rest is purely cash grab with no thought put into it from Kishi himself, it will obviously have Kishi's stamp of approval since he's gonna make money off of it.

It's canon in its own lane. In reality it's glorified fanfic as far as Naruto is concerned.
 
TheAncientCenturion

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#86
#86
Shanal said:
I agree.

I don't think Kishimoto supervised anything other than just checking over once everything was made. Kishimoto himself has said that he is separated and is taking it easy, going on honey moon, enjoying life.

That's why I said being canon has nothing to do with Kishi being involved. Kodachi is the one who handled Naruto canon from 2014 up until 2020 barring some exceptions. That's why Jump got Kodachi to supervise and world build for material they wanted to present as part of main time-line.

Or, at least, novels are pretty much same as Boruto plot where Kishi wasn't heavily involved. Given seal of approval to be canon and are part of main naruto timeline as per Kodachi and Jump, yet handled by people who aren't Kishimoto for 100% of it.
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It doesn't matter which author is supervising the novels, in that industry it amounts to giving the commissioned authors help and checking over it to make sure it's not completely wrong.

And then you still have the actual author for 3 of the novels saying the "original comic is the truth", on the whole of her stories. If they happen to be adapted INTO the manga/Boruto anime (whichever is perceived as more canon) then they're good. But as stand alone media, they are not apart of the canon proper. That's everything within the Naruto serialization.
 
Shanal

Shanal

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#88
#88
TheAncientCenturion said:
It doesn't matter which author is supervising the novels, in that industry it amounts to giving the commissioned authors help and checking over it to make sure it's not completely wrong.
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He provided the world building for them and general gist, according to the interview above. Kodachi built Naruto world and canon from 2014 onward barring some exceptions.

My point is that unlike filler or non-canon movie, Jump presented these novels as canonical part of main time-line and that's what they grabbed Kodachi for, as well as got stamp of approval for.

And then you still have the actual author for 3 of the novels saying the "original comic is the truth", on the whole of her stories. If they happen to be adapted INTO the manga/Boruto anime (whichever is perceived as more canon) then they're good. But as stand alone media, they are not apart of the canon proper. That's everything within the Naruto serialization.
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Btw, she is clearly talking about her interpretation of characters and saying that while she tried her best, ultimately the Manga (Kishimoto) is only truth. Picking final Tweet out of 3-4 is bad.

Also, the novel she is referring to got adapted into Boruto Anime, which is perceived as canon, as you said. Ofc they made some tweaks- for example, Sasuke combining wind and water to form ice was too farfetched, so they made it super-cooled mist.

So yeah, the story Jun wrote was canon as per Shonen Jump banner, but details can differ.

ZenZu said:
Boruto is just an official fanfic.

Naruto ended with Kishimoto. The rest is purely cash grab with no thought put into it from Kishi himself, it will obviously have Kishi's stamp of approval since he's gonna make money off of it.

It's canon in its own lane. In reality it's glorified fanfic as far as Naruto is concerned.
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I am fine with that interpretation tbh. Just saying that Boruto anime/manga and the novels Jump presents as canon should be looked upon in similar light at the end. Kishimoto is detached for most parts.

Although Boruto from 2020 onward is being written by Kishi himself lol. You dislike the recent development?
 
TheAncientCenturion

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#90
#90
Shanal said:
Btw, she is clearly talking about her interpretation of characters and saying that while she tried her best, ultimately the Manga (Kishimoto) is only truth. Picking final Tweet out of 3-4 is bad.

Also, the novel she is referring to got adapted into Boruto Anime, which is perceived as canon, as you said. Ofc they made some tweaks- for example, Sasuke combining wind and water to form ice was too farfetched, so they made it super-cooled mist.

So yeah, the story Jun wrote was canon as per Shonen Jump banner, but details can differ.
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No, the story she wrote got adapted into Boruto's canon.

All the other tweets focus on how it's her interpretation, her views on the series put forth in her own words, not Kishimoto's but based on his work. And again, she mentions the story as a whole—made up of characters, plots, settings, etc—not one aspect but the whole pie.
Shanal said:
He provided the world building for them and general gist, according to the interview above. Kodachi built Naruto world and canon from 2014 onward barring some exceptions.

Point is that unlike filler or non-canon movie, Jump presented these novels as canonical part of time-line and that's what they grabbed Kodachi for, as well as got stamp of approval for.
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He built Boruto, the successor series that the Naruto canon is not beholden to nor subject to his interference.
 
Shanal

Shanal

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#91
#91
TheAncientCenturion said:
No, the story she wrote got adapted into Boruto's canon.

All the other tweets focus on how it's her interpretation, her views on the series put forth in her own words, not Kishimoto's but based on his work. And again, she mentions the story as a whole—made up of characters, plots, settings, etc—not one aspect but the whole pie.
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Yup, it's her interpretations. And she is respectful enough to say ultimately, Kishimoto's are only truth, and she's just here to try her best.

The novels still remain part of Naruto canonical timeline as per Jump. That's what they're signed as. That's why they got Kodachi, only individual who handled main canon after 2014, specifically to do world building for them.

He built Boruto, the successor series that the Naruto canon is not beholden to nor subject to his interference.
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Yeah... most of the novels are for Blank Period or Boruto era lol. Retsuden specifically is a Boruto era novel.

He was in charge of series' canon going forward after Kishimoto got done with his manga anyway. That's why they got him to world build for the novels.
 
Shanal

Shanal

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#96
#96
Lol, it's easy to tell ya'll are detached from the Naruto communities.

Sakura stans went super hard on it. They had Twitter pages with tens of thousands of followers regularly voting and propagating it more than any fanbase.

They even had a Korean singer with over million views per video and hundred of thousands followers going around around:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615318365924384768


She has fuckton of haters, but also an absurdly dedicated fanbase. I expected more than just 490k votes tbh.
 
MarineHQ

MarineHQ

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#100
#100
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