General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
I'm not trying to brag, I'm just expressing the fact that people here knew that. My statement about those subversive affirmation was so laughed at that it was memed on the forum.
People knew and still choosed to believe that Yamato was departing.
Concerning Carrot's flashback, there was no need for it as it was presented in the present of the story and for her goal, some clues were introduced.. that's why I believed that it would be introduced later. Oda had other plan but those clues are still here.
No it was more than just that. At least narratively. The fraiming is too personnal (character wise) to be just a presentation of a power. This was the moment of Carrot and I think that at this time, Oda was still hesitant to make Carrot a strawhat. Something changed between whole cake and Wano. Either this or Oda made the mistake by making the moment of Carrot a personnal and mystical moment. The transformation of Pekom wouldn't have been enough.
People knew and still choosed to believe that Yamato was departing.
Concerning Carrot's flashback, there was no need for it as it was presented in the present of the story and for her goal, some clues were introduced.. that's why I believed that it would be introduced later. Oda had other plan but those clues are still here.
No it was more than just that. At least narratively. The fraiming is too personnal (character wise) to be just a presentation of a power. This was the moment of Carrot and I think that at this time, Oda was still hesitant to make Carrot a strawhat. Something changed between whole cake and Wano. Either this or Oda made the mistake by making the moment of Carrot a personnal and mystical moment. The transformation of Pekom wouldn't have been enough.
Yamato's fate wasn't freedom. She said in the end that she still really wanted to join the strawhats, but Wano just needed her too much because they were weak and couldn't defend themselves. She even had to lie to Momo about her reason for staying because he would never accept it (because it wasn't what she wanted). In the end, her "character arc" directly contradicts One Piece's core message of following your dreams no matter what.
It was the freedom to choose her own path still. Kaido wanted Yamato to become a negative gardian deity, Yamato choosed to become the opposite instead. Yes, she choosed that because she was afraid for the country, but it was freedom still, just another version that we are used to.
Not really. One Piece is about fighting for what you really believe in. That's why the strawhat's dreams have become secondary for the story. Right now, they believe in Luffy, that's who they are fighting for. Their dream will come, but later.
Plus Yamato's wanting to go to sea was never a dream, more of a strong motivation powered by her desire to be like Oden : Free to do what she want.
What is done is done.
Not really. One Piece is about fighting for what you really believe in. That's why the strawhat's dreams have become secondary for the story. Right now, they believe in Luffy, that's who they are fighting for. Their dream will come, but later.
Plus Yamato's wanting to go to sea was never a dream, more of a strong motivation powered by her desire to be like Oden : Free to do what she want.
What is done is done.
That brings up an interesting point. Each crew member thus far has had a dream of their own to see to completion at the end of the trip .... up until Jinbe.
So if we consider Jinbe a special case, then wouldn't the final member have to have some sort of dream or ambition that they join for?
Vivi, Carrot, and ugh Yamato, didn't really have a dream to work towards that would require them to sail. Vivi's was to protect her country and she did that. Carrot was to protect Zou, and help the crew in Pedro's place, and she did that and is now doing that. ...Yamato is a LARPER and I will not take any of her dreams seriously until she actually figures out who she is.
I thought it might be Saul upcoming, but we don't know enough about him, and his story seems 'done' or at least not lacking to have an ambition to need to sail.
Jinbe still be the odd one out in dream department, though I guess seeing the Fishman truly free may count.
So if we consider Jinbe a special case, then wouldn't the final member have to have some sort of dream or ambition that they join for?
Vivi, Carrot, and ugh Yamato, didn't really have a dream to work towards that would require them to sail. Vivi's was to protect her country and she did that. Carrot was to protect Zou, and help the crew in Pedro's place, and she did that and is now doing that. ...Yamato is a LARPER and I will not take any of her dreams seriously until she actually figures out who she is.
I thought it might be Saul upcoming, but we don't know enough about him, and his story seems 'done' or at least not lacking to have an ambition to need to sail.
Jinbe still be the odd one out in dream department, though I guess seeing the Fishman truly free may count.
Now, I think we make a mistake at looking at those things as "dreams" because for the most part, character don't say "I dream of doing that". Most of the time, it's a major goal. Brook for example, doesn't have a dream, he has the goal to follow Luffy until we meet Laboon again and make him listen to the dial where the song of his crewmate is.
Concerning Yamato. her motivation was setup clarified and resolved. Her goal was achieve even if it wasn't in the form she expected.
On the contrary, Carrot's goal was setup but it was never clarified or resolved. PEdro said that one day, Carrot would understand why helping Luffy escape is so important on another note, Oda as introduced a strong character trait for her in front of the "wonders of the seas". Even if those two things can be related to the arc theme, they are also the bricks for character development. That's why it's so strange that Carrot dissapeared and that her ending point is the island of Zou, it goes against all of this characterization.
Carrot ending up on Zou is actually for me one of the only major mistakes Oda made in Wano (with the Mink serum, that was introduced way too late) it just doesn't make sence.
Concerning Yamato. her motivation was setup clarified and resolved. Her goal was achieve even if it wasn't in the form she expected.
On the contrary, Carrot's goal was setup but it was never clarified or resolved. PEdro said that one day, Carrot would understand why helping Luffy escape is so important on another note, Oda as introduced a strong character trait for her in front of the "wonders of the seas". Even if those two things can be related to the arc theme, they are also the bricks for character development. That's why it's so strange that Carrot dissapeared and that her ending point is the island of Zou, it goes against all of this characterization.
Carrot ending up on Zou is actually for me one of the only major mistakes Oda made in Wano (with the Mink serum, that was introduced way too late) it just doesn't make sence.
I'm throwing my cards in for either Sabo or Shanks.
Sabo: Goal to see Luffy achieve his dream in Ace's place, as Ace at his death said he regretted not being able to see it.
Shanks: I read a theory a while back that was pretty cute, where someone said the reason Shanks gave the hat and is waiting till the end is because he didn't get to make that last trip with Roger, and seeing so much of Roger in Luffy, he's waiting to see if he's 'defeated' which will allow Luffy to make a request/demand of him, which would be to join and make that final trip with his 'captain' the next Roger.
Sabo: Goal to see Luffy achieve his dream in Ace's place, as Ace at his death said he regretted not being able to see it.
Shanks: I read a theory a while back that was pretty cute, where someone said the reason Shanks gave the hat and is waiting till the end is because he didn't get to make that last trip with Roger, and seeing so much of Roger in Luffy, he's waiting to see if he's 'defeated' which will allow Luffy to make a request/demand of him, which would be to join and make that final trip with his 'captain' the next Roger.
