General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
No sure what your point is with this. Law was still a last minute creation meaning Oda came up with the Mingo and D connections on the fly.
Bonney was created last minute and was given the Kuma connection from the get go. She never saw Kuma on Sabody but cried upon seeing the Pacifistas in MF. After MF, Akainu said a cold chill went down his spine when he heard Bonney escaped the WG.
I'm curious about the original plans for Kuma.
I love them personally lol. Knowing Oda makes things up on the fly and writes battles solely for the purpose of being dramatic and telling a story helps one stay mellow.
Bonney was created last minute and was given the Kuma connection from the get go. She never saw Kuma on Sabody but cried upon seeing the Pacifistas in MF. After MF, Akainu said a cold chill went down his spine when he heard Bonney escaped the WG.
I'm curious about the original plans for Kuma.
I love them personally lol. Knowing Oda makes things up on the fly and writes battles solely for the purpose of being dramatic and telling a story helps one stay mellow.
The guy who said that Bonney is getting carried by Kuma story, is having a big true moment. Shes just the emotional backdrop to Kumas story, its a rebecca, a carrot, a shiraoshi, a vivi, but on steroids
Beware of the arc princess archtype, shes just there to pull on your heartstrings, Oda has been doing this since the time skip
Beware of the arc princess archtype, shes just there to pull on your heartstrings, Oda has been doing this since the time skip
The point is made on the fly or not unlike with Bonney and Kuma Oda didn't add Doflamingo's connection to Law years later. It was already there when Law first appeared in 2008 with smiley jolly roger plastered all over Heart Pirates.
From the get go? Based on what evidence? There is none.
I don't think besides him having Bonney for a daughter much changed. If I had to guess there was probably only "Ginny" character originally whom Kuma loved and who needed to be cured. We could've met her on Egghead in VP's laboratories instead of Bonney or something like that.
Yes Oda never made her meet Pacifistas or Kuma on Sabaody because back then he didn't plan for her to be his daughter yet, so there was no point. And Marineford happened two years after Sabaody ---> he added that Kuma connection to her after Sabaody but before Marineford. Just like he decided Law is going to be a D after Sabaody but before Marineford because Law got all cryptic about "Ds bringing storms" in Marineford (after saving Luffy). Not like any of that matters now, Law is with us for a decade involved with the main plot and Bonney got a backstory with Kuma who is an important character.
I personally don't because when you know where to look you'll notice "imperfections" in Oda's story like with Ace's mother being pregnant with him for two years turned out was not for the silly dramatic effect but simply for the timeline to work so Ace could be Roger's son (we knew for a while already Roger died two years before Ace was born, he couldn't be his father). I'd rather not to know where exactly to dig to find a "retcon" lol.
From the get go? Based on what evidence? There is none.
I don't think besides him having Bonney for a daughter much changed. If I had to guess there was probably only "Ginny" character originally whom Kuma loved and who needed to be cured. We could've met her on Egghead in VP's laboratories instead of Bonney or something like that.
Yes Oda never made her meet Pacifistas or Kuma on Sabaody because back then he didn't plan for her to be his daughter yet, so there was no point. And Marineford happened two years after Sabaody ---> he added that Kuma connection to her after Sabaody but before Marineford. Just like he decided Law is going to be a D after Sabaody but before Marineford because Law got all cryptic about "Ds bringing storms" in Marineford (after saving Luffy). Not like any of that matters now, Law is with us for a decade involved with the main plot and Bonney got a backstory with Kuma who is an important character.
I personally don't because when you know where to look you'll notice "imperfections" in Oda's story like with Ace's mother being pregnant with him for two years turned out was not for the silly dramatic effect but simply for the timeline to work so Ace could be Roger's son (we knew for a while already Roger died two years before Ace was born, he couldn't be his father). I'd rather not to know where exactly to dig to find a "retcon" lol.
Ya'll call anyone the "arc princess" if people think they'll join just to gatekeep. Yamato wasn't an arc princess and neither is Bonney. She may well not join the crew, but the arc princess is there to be Luffy's connection to the current conflict, not just the villain themselves. That's why Momo was the arc princess role in Wano rather than Yamato, and Bonney is more like Law's role in Dressrosa. She has absolutely nothing to do with Kizaru and Saturn showing up to kill Vegapunk, just like Law had nothing to do with the situation in dressrosa. She's here just for revenge, a completely seperate goal from Luffy and the rest
I think it's hilarious that Kizaru for nakama is unironically more likely than half the candidates we talk about here. It's not happening, but at least it's less crazy than Lucci, Caribou, Carrot, Pedro, or the theoretical giant Carrot4nakama made up.
I can't believe it got so bad people are pushing characters that don't even exist. Wano ruined us.
I wouldn't go as far as to include Vivi in this list lol (while being a literal princess Vivi's also the Straw Hat's friend and shares a deep bond with them and Oda keeps reminding us of that even decades already passed. I'm saying this when I'm not even in the Vivi for the final nakama camp. I don't want it but I can see it) but yeah if to simplify Bonney is an "arc princess" to add an emotional weight to Kuma's story. The flashback only solidified that to me because it was undeniable Kuma's flashback/story with Bonney playing a supportive role in it not the other way around.
It is still soon to say yet and I might change my mind as more chapters are out but as things look now I think we'll part ways with Bonney after Egghead ends/Kuma situation resolves/the SHs help her to escape. It is not like with Law during Punk Hazard for example where it was obvious the arc is just a prelude to the next one and we got only more questions about him (and Doffy) but no answers yet. And Oda isn't tryharding to nakama bait you this time either took a break from the last time
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It is still soon to say yet and I might change my mind as more chapters are out but as things look now I think we'll part ways with Bonney after Egghead ends/Kuma situation resolves/the SHs help her to escape. It is not like with Law during Punk Hazard for example where it was obvious the arc is just a prelude to the next one and we got only more questions about him (and Doffy) but no answers yet. And Oda isn't tryharding to nakama bait you this time either took a break from the last time
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Post: Giant Robot.
Backstory: was turned into a robot in the past by Saturn, like Kuma, and was a member of Joy Boy's crew.
Also, I think you can be an arc princess without it harming your chances of joining. Vivi and Yamato both have princess titles, and have crew invites they haven't accepted due to personal circumstances regarding their homelands. Then you've got characters like Rebecca who never made sense joining at any point.
The character needs to have that sense of adventure.
God damn it I hate when I start coughing and I sound like a Seagull.
Backstory: was turned into a robot in the past by Saturn, like Kuma, and was a member of Joy Boy's crew.
Also, I think you can be an arc princess without it harming your chances of joining. Vivi and Yamato both have princess titles, and have crew invites they haven't accepted due to personal circumstances regarding their homelands. Then you've got characters like Rebecca who never made sense joining at any point.
The character needs to have that sense of adventure.
God damn it I hate when I start coughing and I sound like a Seagull.
I'm just relaying a pattern i noticed with Oda with female emotional background characters in One Piece, i'm starting to believe that having protagonism in an arc, is relevant but not that important, i don't feel like Jimbei was the relevant part of "his" arc or even that he had an arc about him.
I'm not going to theorycraft anything, my standards are role and dream ( and even the dream can be anything), if she joins whatever, but i edging my bets on not, but if anything the odds are stacked agaisnt me since people think protagonism in an arc is important /flashback etc, we'll see.
I'm not going to theorycraft anything, my standards are role and dream ( and even the dream can be anything), if she joins whatever, but i edging my bets on not, but if anything the odds are stacked agaisnt me since people think protagonism in an arc is important /flashback etc, we'll see.