General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Uncle Van]

He didn't say that Jinbe's colour was originally blue, I understand the statement to mean that he struggled with associating him with a different colour when the blue skin is so apparent and overpowering. The first thing you'd think when looking at Jinbe is "blue". But that doesn't mean blue was actually his official colour.

Obviously nothing is set in stone. No one ever said that it was in the first place. Again, you're arguing with ghosts.

Blue seemed like Jinbe's colour. But it never actually was. Oda never outright said Jinbe's colour is blue. When I say Carrot is lime, that's just a likely assumption based on the repeated association of her with the colour. It's not confirmed until Oda says so. Jinbe has never once been given a blue outfit AFAIK.

I don't understand how you don't follow....

Oda was having a hard time figuring out Jinbe's SH color cause all appropriate colors were already taken.

This means that for any non SH, their supposed color scheme is irrelevant and not an argument against them joining. Oda will slap any color on them to fit in like he did with Jinbe and that random ass yellow shade.

The color scheme doesn't help Carrot much nor does it detract from Yamato(please don't focus on this saying "I've said anything about Yamato!" cause it's that's not the point).

 

[dizzy2341]

I don't understand how you don't follow....

Oda was having a hard time figuring out Jinbe's SH color cause all appropriate colors were already taken.

This means that for any non SH, their supposed color scheme is irrelevant and not an argument against them joining. Oda will slap any color on them to fit in like he did with Jinbe and that random ass yellow shade.

The color scheme doesn't help Carrot much nor does it detract from Yamato(please don't focus on this saying "I've said anything about Yamato!" cause it's that's not the point).

I follow well. I simply disagree with your take.

Jinbe was in the story many years before the joined the crew. It's possible that early on Oda just hadn't considered what his colour would be. His Marineford outfit is arguably ochre (leaning more towards orange though honestly), but since the obvious choice in blue was already taken he used something else that fits.

And no, his colour scheme isn't irrelevant since Oda then repeatedly had Jinbe appear in ochre outfits to better associate him with the colour.

Spoiler

His last 3 outfits have all been the same. And the first 2 are from before he officially joined the crew.

The color scheme doesn't help Carrot much nor does it detract from Yamato(please don't focus on this saying "I've said anything about Yamato!" cause it's that's not the point).

The colour scheme helps Carrot in that lime is a missing colour in the wheel and there's been a pretty consistent effort to get Carrot in as much lime as possible. It's not just once or twice, but a recurring colour theme.

Spoiler

It doesn't help Yamao since it appears that her colour is aqua green. Whilst this isn't concretely confirmed, that is what it seems to be atm. And as we've just discussed, Oda does not want another shade of blue in the crew. Certainly doesn't hard rule her out at all since we don't even have confirmation that is her colour. But it is still a potential negative, take it as you will.

 

[Uncle Van]

I follow well. I simply disagree with your take.

Jinbe was in the story many years before the joined the crew. It's possible that early on Oda just hadn't considered what his colour would be. His Marineford outfit is arguably ochre (leaning more towards orange though honestly), but since the obvious choice in blue was already taken he used something else that fits.

And no, his colour scheme isn't irrelevant since Oda then repeatedly had Jinbe appear in ochre outfits to better associate him with the colour.

Spoiler

His last 3 outfits have all been the same. And the first 2 are from before he officially joined the crew.

The colour scheme helps Carrot in that lime is a missing colour in the wheel and there's been a pretty consistent effort to get Carrot in as much lime as possible. It's not just once or twice, but a recurring colour theme.

Spoiler

It doesn't help Yamao since it appears that her colour is aqua green. Whilst this isn't concretely confirmed, that is what it seems to be atm. And as we've just discussed, Oda does not want another shade of blue in the crew. Certainly doesn't hard rule her out at all since we don't even have confirmation that is her colour. But it is still a potential negative, take it as you will.

First of all, you're not talking out your ass with the color wheel shit. The color wheel theory got more fuel with Oda giving Jinbe a random color from the standard color wheel instead of a 3rd shade of blue. Too much to be a coincidence.

The color wheel has 2 shades of red, orange, yellow, green, blue and purple, with the center being white or black.

2 shades of red- Luffy and Chopper
2 shades of orange- Nami and ?
2 shades of yellow- Usopp and Jinbe
2 shades of green- Zoro and ?
2 shades of blue- Sanji and Franky
2 shades of purple- Robin and ?

Carrot consistently having the 2nd shade of green is a plus. It would have a minus for Yamato if not for the Jinbe shit.

 

[Sheer D. Lusion]

He said nakama (仲間) which Luffy only uses to describe his crew, hence Law getting angry. With other characters like Kine’mon he uses tomodachi (友達)

the objective thing is luffy simply calls him friend and does not say he is part of his crew.
the subjective thing is each person might interpret it as meaning crew because the specific word this and nakama that but what he says is that. but translating it as viz did is trying to force the subjective interpretation into what is objectively written.
also law could react like that to any meaning of the word nakama because that is how his personality works.

 

[Un-amed]

the objective thing is luffy simply calls him friend and does not say he is part of his crew.
the subjective thing is each person might interpret it as meaning crew because the specific word this and nakama that but what he says is that. but translating it as viz did is trying to force the subjective interpretation into what is objectively written.
also law could react like that to any meaning of the word kanama because that is how his personality works.

Dont talk about character personalities here, usually they don't think as if they were the characters...or don't even mind how the character is...

 

[Roo]

the objective thing is luffy simply calls him friend and does not say he is part of his crew.
the subjective thing is each person might interpret it as meaning crew because the specific word this and nakama that but what he says is that. but translating it as viz did is trying to force the subjective interpretation into what is objectively written

When saying friend, Oda tends to use a different word. For example he didn’t use nakama in chapter 1000. And in chapter 819 the kanji for nakama is missing

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Oda is a guy that has shown to be very careful with words before. I don’t think we can simply dismiss this as “interpretation”

Edit: just want to add that this is totally in character for Luffy to consider Law as that. According to Luffy’s own words Law was the person he owed the most to after Jinbe so it’s normal for him to see Law like that. Luffy also spent the entire of the East blue saga seeing Nami as his nakama despite Nami herself objecting to this and seeing their group as an alliance

 

[Rootbeer]

the objective thing is luffy simply calls him friend and does not say he is part of his crew.
the subjective thing is each person might interpret it as meaning crew because the specific word this and nakama that but what he says is that. but translating it as viz did is trying to force the subjective interpretation into what is objectively written.
also law could react like that to any meaning of the word nakama because that is how his personality works.

You could argue whether it was said as a gag or you could also try to make the point that the word Nakama isn't used for crewmates in that specific situation although i doubt it.. However Luffy says without questions '' Nakama '', that he(law) became my(luffy) Nakama and it is always referred as crewmates..

 

[Zihark95]

Make no mistake, Carrot and Yamato are both trash characters. Carrot is just female discount Chopper and Yamato is just bland Nami clone.

Thing is that Carrot has no arguments going for her minus the shaky color scheme argument while Yamato has quite a bit in her favor, even down to saying she wants to sail with Luffy.

At least carrot know

 

[Weeman]

Make no mistake, Carrot and Yamato are both trash characters. Carrot is just female discount Chopper and Yamato is just bland Nami clone.

Thing is that Carrot has no arguments going for her minus the shaky color scheme argument while Yamato has quite a bit in her favor, even down to saying she wants to sail with Luffy.

How the hell is Yamato a "bland Nami clone"?
Literally their only similarity is their face and that's because Oda can't draw distinct attractive female faces for the life of him.
We might as well call Vivi a Nami clone too then.

 

[Rootbeer]

Is it a spoiler to say that a character isn't in a chapter even if they haven't been for 13 chapters in a row?

 

[vikas]

Is it a spoiler to say that a character isn't in a chapter even if they haven't been for 13 chapters in a row?

Yes

 

[Rootbeer]

Yes

What about saying that Caribou isn't in the chapter?

 

[Un-amed]

Is it a spoiler to say that a character isn't in a chapter even if they haven't been for 13 chapters in a row?

So funny, because Caribou will left WANO with the Mugis, and it has been more than 50 chapters without him.
And still has more chances than Yamato and Carrot to join.

 

[Staticshadic]

So funny, because Caribou will left WANO with the Mugis, and it has been more than 50 chapters without him.
And still has more chances than Yamato and Carrot to join.

Funny carrbou does not seem share same ideology or mind set with straw hats. As well It’s not focus of the arc.

 

[vikas]

What about saying that Caribou isn't in the chapter?

It's a spoiler for fans waiting for his appearance. He is going to the dark house of this arc when he appears

 

[Un-amed]

Funny carrbou does not seem share same ideology or mind set with straw hats. As well It’s not focus of the arc.

But who has the Yes?
The character who did a revolution on a country because of an old woman...xDxD
Or the character who annoyed Luffy the first time they met and ignored him???

 

[Staticshadic]

But who has the Yes?
The character who did a revolution on a country because of an old woman...xDxD
Or the character who annoyed Luffy the first time they met and ignored him???

Yeah but you’re also having a guy who is to blame for the mermaids kidnapping as well as the person who was willing to sell the straw hat for higher profit as well. Not mention the guy has killed before

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But who has the Yes?
The character who did a revolution on a country because of an old woman...xDxD
Or the character who annoyed Luffy the first time they met and ignored him???

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plus the guys isn’t really working alongside straw hats during this raid.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Is it a spoiler to say that a character isn't in a chapter even if they haven't been for 13 chapters in a row?

Now that the chapter is out, no.

Before the chapter is out, yes.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Let’s just get this out in the open, every single one of us knows someone will twist this up so we might as well discuss it.

In case y’all forget that there is ample precedent for a potential crew mate pledging to defend a place they’ll be ready to leave once the job is done, read below. I know some of you like to cling to the nonexistent “pattern” for this shit, so here you go:

• Usopp left Syrup Village after Kuro was defeated
• Sanji left the Baratie after Krieg was defeated
• Nami left Cocoyashi Village after Arlong was defeated
• Chopper left Drum Village after Wapol was defeated
• Franky left Water 7 after CP-9 was defeated
• Jinbe left the Sun Pirates after escaping from WCI

That’s six of the ten protagonists, or more than half of the current crew, so let’s not act like Yamato’s words here do anything to undermine her case. Also, Carrot couldn’t wait to get out of Zou, showing an unbelievably small amount of loyalty to her homeland…that sound like any of the above SHP who were faced with a similar decision to y’all??

 

[Weeman]

Yamato said she needs to protect Wano to be Oden, so she won't join the crew