General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Kai. Do]

Be free from factio dury or independant. ALL the strawhats were free from duty or on the verge of switching:
- Zoro was free
- Nami wanted to save her village in order to be rid of Arlong
- Sanji was free to go
- Chopper was free to go
- Robin as always been alone
- Franky was on the verge of having a bounty, therefore being target.His faction reponsibilities were logically deleted.
- Brook was alone
- Jinbe expressed the need to join the crew

Zoro was not free, he was literally tied up by Morgan
Chopper was not free, Sakura Kingdom was still under threat from Wapol
nami was not free, her village was still held hostage by Arlong
Sanji was not free, he still had obligations to Zeff
Brook was not free, his shadow was still in the hands of Moria
Jinbe was not free, he still had to sever ties to Big Mom
Franky was not free, he still to take care of the franky family
Robin was not free, she was on the run her whole life

NONE of the straw hats who joined were free from the beginning, except Carrot, which is exactly why she isn't going to be joining the crew for real.

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Be free from factio dury or independant. ALL the strawhats were free from duty or on the verge of switching:
- Zoro was free
- Nami wanted to save her village in order to be rid of Arlong
- Sanji was free to go
- Chopper was free to go
- Robin as always been alone
- Franky was on the verge of having a bounty, therefore being target.His faction reponsibilities were logically deleted.
- Brook was alone
- Jinbe expressed the need to join the crew

You know Nami was not free, which is why you change your tune to say they can also be on the verge of switching. Lmfao some credibility you have.

Well guess what? Yamato switched sides from the Beast pirates to Luffy, Carrot went from going with the crew to switching back to the Minks and she's not switching for a third time.

 

[Logiko]

well then it’s settled that you admit you are mentally unstable. So we can treat you like one, and consider that most of your theories are just your imaginations.

Your own words when you replied to me. I was confused how you couldn’t understand your own words but since you admitted you’re mentally unstable, it’s not surprising.

Careful, I did accept to reply to your answer, but if i'm not triggered by it. I won't accept psychophobia.

Don't start a war with me you can't handle, you have yet to see what I can do when I take things personnally. This will be your last warning.

“I don’t have patience with children” LMAO another example of vanity. Funny, because the one who keeps acting like a child is you. Being a crybaby, call other people toxic just because you can’t prove it with facts from manga.

yatiyatiyada.. same old

You still can’t give me evidences in manga regarding my questions. All you give was mental gymnastics and words twisting. It’s settled then that you clearly don’t have any good arguments nor evidences regarding my questions that instead of showing those evidences, you’re definitely using the perfect example of strawmanning.

What question ? I'm sorry, I reply to 10 people a day.. this is a little ard to follow

That HAS always been the case. One Piece is a week to week publication, once the chapters are out, Oda can't just go back to change them. Changing the decision on who joins the crew isn't something that Oda can just do on a whim.

Also, how do you know Oda ever had any intention of Marco ever joining the crew?

Where do you see that I said that Oda "ever had any intention of Marco ever joining the crew?" The only thing I said is that there was some clews in the story that Marco was a possibility. THoses clew may benot leading to that possibility.

Don't start twisting my words please ;)

One Piece is a manga story with a plot, it's not a RPG game. Arbitrary points don't dictate who will join the crew, its the narration of the story and the direction that characters Oda chooses to drive them towards that counts.

Read the darn fudging point or don't reply. You have yet to show me how my points are not relevant.

I don't need to accept these rules because they are rules you made up on your own, they are not Oda's rules, they are not One Piece's rules, they are rules that didn't even apply to Straw Hats who joined in the past.

Your rules don't mean anything.

Yeah.. in other word, you don't understand them OR don't want to read them. Typical reply from someone who don't analyse the story.

his number 2 rule is the funniest. Let me quote:

every Straw Hat were relevant to the story before joining


And yet he knows that Carrot is pretty much irrelevant right now, but he has hopes Carrot will have her own arc AFTER Wano, where again Carrot is irrelevant in Wano. If his logic goes like that, Carrot should join after WCI & before Wano, but she didn’t. And also Oda intentionally postpone the toast while Carrot is there means something.

He is denying his own point truly makes me laugh.

Carrot was relevant to the story in whole cake, just not in wano. It's more than enough.

Zoro was not free, he was literally tied up by Morgan
Chopper was not free, Sakura Kingdom was still under threat from Wapol
nami was not free, her village was still held hostage by Arlong
Sanji was not free, he still had obligations to Zeff
Brook was not free, his shadow was still in the hands of Moria
Jinbe was not free, he still had to sever ties to Big Mom
Franky was not free, he still to take care of the franky family
Robin was not free, she was on the run her whole life

NONE of the straw hats who joined were free from the beginning, except Carrot, which is exactly why she isn't going to be joining the crew for real.

You have to understand that the categorie's name is "POTENTIAL CANDIDATE" meaning that we are not looking at the present but the FUTURE. Meaning, we are not looking if the cahracter is free but IF the character is likely to be free. Without that those wouldn't be candidate.

Plus, for most of your point, you are wrong.

Chopper was independant.
Nami was independant.
Sanji was on the verge on being independant.
Brook was indepandant
Jinbe was on the veerge of being independant.
Franky was on the verge of being independant
Robin was independant.

So either, you don't understand a thing about what I'm telling you (and there is therefore no point in debating or arguing anything) or you are willingly using bad faith to try to rule out an obvious rule. Just because.. you want to find a way to prove me wrong (without success)

just fudging read the content.

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You know Nami was not free, which is why you change your tune to say they can also be on the verge of switching. Lmfao some credibility you have.

Well guess what? Yamato switched sides from the Beast pirates to Luffy, Carrot went from going with the crew to switching back to the Minks and she's not switching for a third time.

There is no "change of tune" are you in the incapacity to read the content I have given you or what ? This is litterally written in my rule Einstein..

And yes Yamato is ALSO free.. This rule works for her..

 

[Kai. Do]

Where do you see that I said that Oda "ever had any intention of Marco ever joining the crew?" The only thing I said is that there was some clews in the story that Marco was a possibility. THoses clew may benot leading to that possibility.

Don't start twisting my words please ;)

If you don't believe that Marco is joining the crew then you don't need to bring him up.

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Read the darn fudging point or don't reply. You have yet to show me how my points are not relevant.

I read your points and your points don't matter. Your points don't take into account every straw who joined in the past. Without consistency your points don't mean anything.

 

[Logiko]

If you don't believe that Marco is joining the crew then you don't need to bring him up.

The point of an analysis is that I don't do what I believe in, but what the story is telling me!!! Damn..

There are good point for Marco until a certain degree, that's why there is first the seven rules then another sorting.

 

[Kai. Do]

Yeah.. in other word, you don't understand them OR don't want to read them. Typical reply from someone who don't analyse the story.

I read your rules, and they only work if you wrote the story, not Oda.

 

[Logiko]

I read your rules, and they only work if you wrote the story, not Oda.

No, they work in the story.

Don't be that stereotypical "you are not Oda therefore you can't analysis the story" bs type of person please

 

[Kai. Do]

The point of an analysis is that I don't do what I believe in, but what the story is telling me!!!

Lmfao nice joke.

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No, they work in the story.

Don't be that stereotypical "you are not Oda therefore you can't analysis the story" bs type of person please

No what i meant is your not Oda you can't change the story.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Careful, I did accept to reply to your answer, but if i'm not triggered by it. I won't accept psychophobia.

Don't start a war with me you can't handle, you have yet to see what I can do when I take things personnally. This will be your last warning.

I treated you as any people treat mentally unstable person is not psychophobia. In fact it’s good because I treat you that way instead of making fun of you.

yatiyatiyada.. same old

and you said “I don’t have patience with children.” Means you don’t have patience with yourself

What question ? I'm sorry, I reply to 10 people a day.. this is a little ard to follow.

Go back a few pages to see what questions I asked you. The questions are still there, you even answered those with theories not evidences, only to start being toxic yourself because you have minimum comprehension.

Carrot was relevant to the story in whole cake, just not in wano. It's more than enough.

With your own point and logic, Carrot should join post Whole Cake, not post Wano. The fact still remains she never joins, and Oda intentionally postponed the toast for someone else while Carrot was present. I’m using your logic against you. It’s not that hard to comprehend.

 

[Kai. Do]

And yes Yamato is ALSO free.. This rule works for her..

You just said before that Yamato was not free because she was still tied to Momo you liar. So you just changed your tune again.

 

[Logiko]

Lmfao nice joke.

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No what i meant is your not Oda you can't change the story.

The problem is that you don't see what is actually in the story.. so when I point it out to you.. you think that I'm magically inventing it.. dude.. I understand that, I worked hard to see some of those things, but when I'm taking time to explain those thing to you, it would be nice to have something else that laughers in respounse..

I treated you as any people treat mentally unstable person is not psychophobia. In fact it’s good because I treat you that way instead of making fun of you.

No, you used that to dismiss my argumentation : that's called psychophobia. And this is not something I will accept.

So.. let's be all responsible and respectfull to the minimum, there is no need to bring litteral hell to this forum. (for now)

and you said “I don’t have patience with children.” Means you don’t have patience with yourself

no comment..

Go back a few pages to see what questions I asked you. The questions are still there, you even answered those with theories not evidences, only to start being toxic yourself because you have minimum comprehension.

I'm sorry there is too many post, I don't have time for it. Quote me that question or let's all be on our way

With your own point and logic, Carrot should join post Whole Cake, not post Wano. The fact still remains she never joins, and Oda intentionally postponed the toast for someone else while Carrot was present. I’m using your logic against you. It’s not that hard to comprehend.

Why ? This is not my logic dude.. What I say is taht a cahracter need to be relevant to the story. Carrot is relevant (in fact both in Whole cake and wano, just a little less in wano)

Your fight to try to prove me wrong looks completely unreasonnable from my point of view..

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

You just said before that Yamato was not free because she was still tied to Momo you liar. So you just changed your tune again.

and he said Yamato fans changing points narratively to fit our own agenda.

I’m 100% sure he will deny it

 

[Logiko]

You just said before that Yamato was not free because she was still tied to Momo you liar. So you just changed your tune again.

Can you point me to that quote ? I don't think i've EVER said that before. So it feel like your are lying here. (wouldn't be the first time)

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and he said Yamato fans changing points narratively to fit our own agenda.

I’m 100% sure he will deny it

Yamato always fitted my "seven rules" first sorting system.. You are really fighting in the air here..

 

[Kai. Do]

Can you point me to that quote ? I don't think i've EVER said that before. So it feel like your are lying here. (wouldn't be the first time)

I can't quote something you already deleted. But that doesn't matter anyway because you still said that Yamato is staying with Momo before in the past, and you never changed your opinion on that fact, even now.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

I'm sorry there is too many post, I don't have time for it. Quote me that question or let's all be on our way

here we go then:
- Why Oda give so much spotlights to Yamato instead of Carrot, while Oda could give the spotlight to Carrot instead of creating Yamato?

- you said that Carrot joining is for “surprise factor” that she doesn’t need to follow 3 absolute rules of joining:
1. Co-protagonist in their arc prior joining
2. Have main antagonist to be dealt with
3. Have terrible past which usually shown in flashbacks, usually during their childhood.

you keep ignoring those 3 points as you said “unnecessary” just because you favor Carrot. In which part of manga those 3 points are “unnecessary” that being “unnecessary” could help Carrot’s case in joining? Why the need for “surprise factor” only for Carrot? What makes her special that Oda needs to do “surprise factor” only for Carrot?


Answer those questions with points from manga. If you answer those with more hypothesis, theories, analysis, possibilities, most likelies, that means you really can’t prove with real evidences from manga. Therefore you have literally 0 points to convince us that Carrot will join.

 

[Logiko]

I can't quote something you already deleted. But that doesn't matter anyway because you still said that Yamato is staying with Momo before in the past, and you never changed your opinion on that fact, even now.

What ? I almost never delete my message.. Don't start lying to me.. this is not the way to go.

Yes, on the act that Yamato will stay with Momo. You are right, this is most likely what will happen and I still to this day sure of it. That doesn't negate the fact that she will do that by her OWN will. That's why i put her in the "free" categorie and that why she passed the seven rules sorting system.

 

[Kai. Do]

What ? I almost never delete my message.. Don't start lying to me.. this is not the way to go.

Yes, on the act that Yamato will stay with Momo. You are right, this is most likely what will happen and I still to this day sure of it. That doesn't negate the fact that she will do that by her OWN will. That's why i put her in the "free" categorie and that why she passed the seven rules sorting system.

So she has the freedom to stay by Momo's side, but she can't join the crew because she's not free, therefore Yamato loses a point. lmfao, that is some mental gymnastics.



But if Yamato doesn't stay by momo's side then that point doesn't even count.

 

[Logiko]

here we go then:
- Why Oda give so much spotlights to Yamato instead of Carrot, while Oda could give the spotlight to Carrot instead of creating Yamato?

But.. haven't I already explained that multiple times ?

- you said that Carrot joining is for “surprise factor” that she doesn’t need to follow 3 absolute rules of joining:
1. Co-protagonist in their arc prior joining
2. Have main antagonist to be dealt with
3. Have terrible past which usually shown in flashbacks, usually during their childhood.


You keep ignoring those 3 points as you said “unnecessary” just because you favor Carrot. In which part of manga those 3 points are “unnecessary” that being “unnecessary” could help Carrot’s case in joining? Why the need for “surprise factor” only for Carrot? What makes her special that Oda needs to do “surprise factor” only for Carrot?

Yes Carrot doesn't need to follow those rule as those rule are not real.
1. A character can be a side character before joining.
2. joining doesn't require to dealt with the main antagonist
3. Having a terrible past is not a rule of joining it's not even a rule for the requierement, it's only a tool to pass 3 important storytellingpoint that are NEEDED for the RECRUTMENT and NOT the JOINING.

Answer those questions with points from manga. If you answer those with more hypothesis, theories, analysis, possibilities, most likelies, that means you really can’t prove with real evidences from manga. Therefore you have literally 0 points to convince us that Carrot will join.

Like I said, I don't need to answer something that doesn't need to be answered. I have everything to convince you, you are just ignoring those point and looking at Yamato, this is really desesperate.... sigh

As for your question: "- Why Oda give so much spotlights to Yamato instead of Carrot, while Oda could give the spotlight to Carrot instead of creating Yamato?"

Because Wano is Yamato's story, not Carrot's one. Giving the spotlight to Carrot would be meaningless has a chracterizationhas nothing to do with wano.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

But.. haven't I already explained that multiple times ?

you explained with hypothesis, theories, most probablies, possibilities, not evidences.

In fact when I asked you about the 5 minutes of Luffy & Yamato meet, I was simply testing whether you can give evidences based on manga or not. Turned out you could by giving the specific page of the manga, but I don’t know why you can’t answer with the same like you did with that one.

“I don’t need to answer that doesn’t need to be answered” simply means you don’t have the answer. You’re the type of person who tries so hard to prove yourself right and others wrong. With how you answered here, clearly it’s not that you don’t need to answer but simply because you don’t have the answer.

 

[Logiko]

So she has the freedom to stay by Momo's side, but she can't join the crew because she's not free, therefore Yamato loses a point. lmfao, that is some mental gymnastics.



But if Yamato doesn't stay by momo's side then that point doesn't even count. That's some mental gymnastics you got there.

Ok.. are you trolling ?


it looks like you can't understand a single point i'm making or even it seems like you are winligly saying the opposite of what's written here

Among all the One Piece characters, those are the only one who check all the boxes

1. All of those characters are alive
2. All of those character have had at one point an impact on the emotionnal state of the story
3. All of those characters are unique in some way and have a unique special ability:

• Marco can transform into a giant blue swan
• Momo can transform into a giant fish
• Tama can make Dango that transforms smile users into slaves
• Yamato can transform into Okami
• Carrot can transform into a super sayan 3 and float in base form

4. All of them are facing toward the future and adventure

• Marco accepted to help Luffy, this choice puts him directly into the path of adventure
• Momo is the future shogun, he has all power to choose his own path, there are reasons to believe that he could choose to postpone his regency to sail with Luffy like his father before him
• The dream of Tama is putting her toward the path of adventure
• Yamato is dreaming about an adventure
• Carrot choice to sail with Luffy puts her on the path for adventure

5. All of them are free to choose their path or have expressed the need to depart from their faction
6. All of them are friends and/or ally
7. All those characters have a moral pillar

• Marco has Ace and Whitebeard
• Momo has his parents and Luffy
• Tama has Ace
• Yamato has Ace and Oden
• Carrot has Pedro

Every character beside Marco, Momo, Tama, Yamato and Carrot are not good candidate to join the crew.




So either.. you wake up.. or you will be a troll for me from now on.

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you explained with hypothesis, theories, most probablies, possibilities, not evidences.

In fact when I asked you about the 5 minutes of Luffy & Yamato meet, I was simply testing whether you can give evidences based on manga or not. Turned out you could by giving the specific page of the manga, but I don’t know why you can’t answer with the same like you did with that one.

"I was testing you"

Evidence in the storytelling take the shape of an analysis ponctuated by panel. Those can be found in my blog. I know you won't go check it, but .. just stop with that bs.

“I don’t need to answer that doesn’t need to be answered” simply means you don’t have the answer. You’re the type of person who tries so hard to prove yourself right and others wrong. With how you answered here, clearly it’s not that you don’t need to answer but simply because you don’t have the answer.

Damn you are a master at inventing and twisting other people's words.

if I don't want to answer it's because I have already told you multiple time that those rule are wrong and that I don't want to repeat myself.. but it looks like i'm facing someone who can't rememebr a single thing.. so here it comes again:

Those rules "of joining" you gave me, are WRONG on a fundamental basis. I know you try to analysis the story, but you are doing it backward.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Ok.. are you trolling ?


it looks like you can't understand a single point i'm making or even it seems like you are winligly saying the opposite of what's written here

Among all the One Piece characters, those are the only one who check all the boxes

1. All of those characters are alive
2. All of those character have had at one point an impact on the emotionnal state of the story
3. All of those characters are unique in some way and have a unique special ability:

• Marco can transform into a giant blue swan
• Momo can transform into a giant fish
• Tama can make Dango that transforms smile users into slaves
• Yamato can transform into Okami
• Carrot can transform into a super sayan 3 and float in base form

4. All of them are facing toward the future and adventure

• Marco accepted to help Luffy, this choice puts him directly into the path of adventure
• Momo is the future shogun, he has all power to choose his own path, there are reasons to believe that he could choose to postpone his regency to sail with Luffy like his father before him
• The dream of Tama is putting her toward the path of adventure
• Yamato is dreaming about an adventure
• Carrot choice to sail with Luffy puts her on the path for adventure

5. All of them are free to choose their path or have expressed the need to depart from their faction
6. All of them are friends and/or ally
7. All those characters have a moral pillar

• Marco has Ace and Whitebeard
• Momo has his parents and Luffy
• Tama has Ace
• Yamato has Ace and Oden
• Carrot has Pedro

Every character beside Marco, Momo, Tama, Yamato and Carrot are not good candidate to join the crew.




So either.. you wake up.. or you will be a troll for me from now on.

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"I was testing you"

Evidence in the storytelling take the shape of an analysis ponctuated by panel. Those can be found in my blog. I know you won't go check it, but .. just stop with that bs.



Damn you are a master at inventing and twisting other people's words.

if I don't want to answer it's because I have already told you multiple time that those rule are wrong and that I don't want to repeat myself.. but it looks like i'm facing a kid who can't rememebr a single thing.. so here it comes again:

Those rules "of joining" you gave me, are WRONG on a fundamental basis. I know you try to analysis the story, but you are doing it backward.

It’s not that people hard to understand but your grammar and vocabularies are so terrible that people simply having hard time to understand.

yes I was simply testing whether you can give proofs based on manga panel. Turned out you could, but now you can’t

oh and for the terrible past part: you said it’s not a rule for joining nor requirement, but the facts still there that Oda gives proper flashbacks to each of possible candidate.

What’s the difference between recruitment and joining? If I may quote your words, those two have similar “contexts”. Or are you the one here who’s having problem with contexts?

You have really terrible vocabularies that I believe you even don’t understand your own words. You argue here not to convince people but you argue just because you can’t accept you’re prone to be wrong.

Why are those rules wrong on fundamental basis? Can you give me explanations why they are wrong based from the manga? You simply say “WRONG!” but you don’t care to elaborate why those rules are wrong while the fact that Oda keeps giving those rules is really obvious. Instead of trying to give logical explanations to “why are they wrong” you chose to be triggered. NGL I’m really laughing right now because you are so so funny. Well if you say I’m a kid then you are a mentally unstable person. At least as a kid I have totally healthy, stable mind, unlike an adult who claimed he’s an adult but clearly has mental instability. Not that hard.

You’re the one here who analyze the story backward, because you cling so to WCI which happened few years ago in the past. I’m not twisting words, it’s more like I’m using your logic against you. It really isn’t that hard to comprehend for normal human being.