General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Ravagerblade]

Monet > worm turds > carrot.
But that's just me.

 

[Logiko]

And what's so funny? You're just telling me that you know you don't have a strong or credible case for Carrot, which is why your hoping for Oda to see your post in the hopes that Oda changes his mind and have Carrot join the crew.

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I just read your blog. Its a lot of stuff, but the only things you make clearly that you reinforce that matter the most are these 7:

Let's conclude

They are seven rules that a character must ABSOLUTELY fulfill just to be considered a worthy candidate for a recruitment at the present state of the story. A character must:

1. Be alive
2. Be relevant to the story
3. Be unique and have a unique ability
4. Be free from faction duty or independent
5. Be a friend or a false adversary
6. Looking and acting toward adventure
7. Have a moral Pillar

These seven 'rules' are way too broad and if we were to apply to a candidate, a lot of One Piece characters would fit the bill, that's not a good benchmark to use in finding the next straw hat.

Those seven rules are indeed broad. The whole point was to find the CORE of what makes a good potential candidate for a recruitment for a storytelling standpoint (not a potential strawhat.. yet)

Trust me, it works, I've done the math on ALL the characters (yeah the very thousands), and with those seven rules, you can actually pinpoint 5 good candidates:

Momo/Tama/Yamato/Carrot/Marco.

Also, your benchmarks aren't even accurate as some of the straw hats that joined already broke some of these rules in the first place anyway.




Like for example rule 4, where it states one must be free from faction duty or independent. Well Nami wasn't faction free and independent as she was still held down by Arlong, why did she still join the crew?

None of the strawhats are breaking those rule. You can check.

Careful.. Nami, while she is technically with Arlong at the time, has expressed the need to quit/reconsider her position

The fact that Nami had a responsibility didn't negate the fact that this responsibility was coming to an end. She was therefore, a good candidate in theory. (the nuance is important)

A new recruit on the Sunny will become part of the strawhats, implying that they must first be free of responsibilities. In other words they must:
Be free
Or
Without a faction
Or
Have expressed the need to reevaluate their current position
Or
Have already left their current faction

Edit: while i was reading your blog i also found this:

Before jumping into the analysis.

You might find it strange that there is no "dream" or "sad backstory" here. This is because of one simple fact: all those categories were designed by the fan, not by Oda himself!

^This quote goes here pretty much confirms that you disregard the canon manga completely and basically renders your entire argument meaningless. This is the point where i stop taking your website seriously.

And the fact that you are saying that to me shows that you still have a bit to learn about the way One Piece is constructed. Notes that I doesn't deny the presence of Sad Backstory/Dream, those will just be transformed into something else later on.. but you have to read to understand what it is ;)

Trust me, I don't make storytelling points lightly, even more so for this precise one. If you feel like something is off, it's more probable, that you are near a cognitive dissonance in front of the story.. either designed by you or by the fan.

How can this not affect you? You gave up your life for Carrot.

Carrot is now your life. There is nothing left except Carrot in your life! What will you do when Oda takes away Carrot (your life)?

Lmao.. you are talking like a villain from a bad tv show xD

"This is your life nowwwww!"
"Without it.. you will lose the will to fight"
"muhahahahaha"

(Yes I added the laughs, but it's all the same )

Then you basically mean that Carrot is irrelevant to Wano’s story, and hoping that Carrot will join post Wano. Was there any Straw Hat who was irrelevant prior joining? Because no Straw Hats have been irrelevant prior joining in the respective arc, if you think Carrot will join after Wano ends. And it’s a fact.


But still the facts are still there that Usopp is the central character before he joined. And even if you talk about Nami & Sanji, again, Nami & Sanji were the central character of the specific arc prior joining.

Robin was still considered a villain since she joined the villains organizations. She was a villain, but she had her own agenda. Even with 8 years working with Crocodile, she didn’t fully trust Crocodile and only used him to find her last option of poneglyph in Alabasta. And if you say there is nothing to compensate, Oda still did make the Enies Lobby arc to fulfill the exact same pattern of each Straw Hat: having terrible past

Yes, Wano is not Carrot's story, never has been. I wouldn't say irrelevant, just a side character and we've gone through this before, you already know that Robin was just a secondary character before joining even if it was part of her story. so yeah.. Carrot was just like that, just a little bit more non visible..

This argument seems so important to you .. yet.. it has no bases in the storytelling scheme of the story. it won't deny Carrot's chances in anyway.

Don't worry, Carrot will have her mometn, it's just not now. :)

And again Oda could’ve given every single bit of those to Carrot if he really intended Carrot to join, but unfortunately he didn’t. Oda could’ve just simply made Carrot (for example) Kaido’s adopted daughter who ran away to Zou that Jack infiltrated Zou to take her back. But the fact that Oda didn’t do that, means that Oda never intended for Carrot to join.

You are making shortcut much too easily just to make your head canon fit your agenda.. Sorry but..

No, it would not make sence. The story of Yamato is related to her characterization, you can't just switch the storylines has you wish lol

Same for this fan theory and Carrot.. and even then I don't even think Oda thought about it ^^ Even a genius can't have all the ideas.

Your logic here also applies that Carrot was given proper spotlight during WCI so that she becomes red herring for the one that is going to join, which is Yamato. The logic isn’t really that hard to comprehend.

It doesn't work that way lol.
For that to be a reality, you have needed Yamato to be present in the arc and be low like Carrot is now.

And these are your hypothesis of “was probably” which means it has nothing to do with the story Oda has presented to the fans. Again as I said, you need to answer with the facts from manga, for example: “because in manga chapter XX Oda has shown that Yamato is late to the story because of the X factor, that the X factor is the fact that Yamato will not join.”

See.. That's when I start losing patience discuting with you and start wanting to call you birds names.. The fact that I'm making assumptions and hypothesis does NOT negate the fact that those assumptions are based on actual content and facts. Only the REASONNING of those assumptions is debatable.. So.. if you want to debate.. DEBATE.. I'm more than okay with that, there is a lot to say about what I said as an hypothesis regarding Yamato.. But don't toss the whole argumentation just because the word "assumption" makes you puke.. that's just the sign of someone who is not here to debate but to be toxic.

If you say “it’s probably”, or “possibility”, that means those are your assumptions,

Exactly

and it’s clear that you actually don’t have the answer that has been presented in the manga.

If I make hypothesis taht precisely because this is a possible answer einstein.. gosh darn it..

You only answer because those are what you think & assume. You can’t simply trying to convince others with your assumptions. You need to convince people with facts & evidences. If you’re in a court right now, the judge and jury will most likely be laughing at you because you try to convince people based on your assumptions.

Yes I can.. that's the whole point of making hypothesis..
We are not in a court to debate evidences, we are (in that precise point) debating the character of Yamato which is STILL TO THE DAY a mystery even for me.

You can't ask me "why do you think Yamato was invented" and just toss out my hypothesis just because it doesn't fit your tiny narrative and agenda.. that's nonsence (yes i'm starting to be a bit salty here)

Right now, there is NO factual answers to the question "why do you think Yamato was invented". So.. if you have a better hypothesis .. BE MY GUEST. But at least try something lol

Oda has explained himself that he actually wanted to finish One Piece in 5 years (back then when One Piece first appeared), and that he actually wanted to make the crew complete even during the East Blue saga. But his editors said otherwise.

yes and ?

The one here who is pretty much blinded is you, because you can’t see the writings on the wall. As I said, even the ones who hates both Yamato & Carrot can see the facts in the story.

Nah.. only because the hate for a carrot doesn't negate the influence the hype of a character can have. You can therefore hate Yamato and still be bias toward her. Don't worry I'm not blind.

You’re the one who tried to deny it with your assumptions, blinded by your own vanity, that your strongest argument of assumptions is “Yamato is red herring for Carrot” while the story shows the opposite.

That's not my strongest argument. But as you take only what fits your narrative, of course you will cut away the others. And no, the story is not showing the opposite, it's going perfectly my way for now :) You will have to give me some evidences to prove me otherwise ma boi.

Many Carrot fans (like Pot Goblin for example) still hoping that Carrot joins, but they know that it’s either Yamato alone, Yamato and Carrot, or none. You’re the only one here who keeps denying Yamato won’t join but Carrot joins, instead of trying to convince people that Carrot is also joining along with Yamato

Yup, because Yamato won't join. This is just what the story is telling me. I'm sorry that my lack of compromise hurt you that much. But that's just the way things are now.

You're blog doesn't explain everything though, it doesn't even properly explain your 7 so called rules and fails to even adhere to all 7 of them.

Yet, it proves you other wise.

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well I’m a huge Monet fan, and many have been making fun & toxic to Monet. But did I ever once play the victim card & being toxic back to them when they say “Monet is worse case than Carrot”, “Monet is as shitty as Carrot”?

Nope. I simply say that people have their own perspective regarding each character. That’s why they try to respect me being a Monet fan, especially since I don’t force Monet theories to everyone’s throat. If you feel the need to be toxic because of what you call as toxic environment, then that means you’re pretty much immature, easily triggered & influenced with bad influence.

You said “I’m okay if Carrot doesn’t join” but you are also the one who easily triggered with people being toxic to Carrot. If you’re okay that she doesn’t join, you don’t have to be triggered if people are making fun of her or being toxic towards her.

You are aware that the comparison between the hate that recieve monet and monet fan VS the hate the recieve Carrot /Carrot's fan is meaningless.. right ?

Having our own perspective is a thing, being toxic is another. IT's all about the balance of power, the victim and the oppressor.

Read carefully to my post, I'm never triggered by toxicity. i'm only triggered when I need to re peat 100 time the same things. While I do denounce the toxicity toward Carrot and her fan I'm not doing the as a personnal fight, I do this :

- For my fellow carrot fan who feel litterally bullied and don't want to talk about Carrot anymore because of that
- For the story itself

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Monet > worm turds > carrot.
But that's just me.

"i'm being toxic but.. that's just me"

 

[Ravagerblade]

Those seven rules are indeed broad. The whole point was to find the CORE of what makes a good potential candidate for a recruitment for a storytelling standpoint (not a potential strawhat.. yet)

Trust me, it works, I've done the math on ALL the characters (yeah the very thousands), and with those seven rules, you can actually pinpoint 5 good candidates:

Momo/Tama/Yamato/Carrot/Marco.





None of the strawhats are breaking those rule. You can check.

Careful.. Nami, while she is technically with Arlong at the time, has expressed the need to quit/reconsider her position

The fact that Nami had a responsibility didn't negate the fact that this responsibility was coming to an end. She was therefore, a good candidate in theory. (the nuance is important)

A new recruit on the Sunny will become part of the strawhats, implying that they must first be free of responsibilities. In other words they must:
Be free
Or
Without a faction
Or
Have expressed the need to reevaluate their current position
Or
Have already left their current faction






And the fact that you are saying that to me shows that you still have a bit to learn about the way One Piece is constructed. Notes that I doesn't deny the presence of Sad Backstory/Dream, those will just be transformed into something else later on.. but you have to read to understand what it is ;)

Trust me, I don't make storytelling points lightly, even more so for this precise one. If you feel like something is off, it's more probable, that you are near a cognitive dissonance in front of the story.. either designed by you or by the fan.




Lmao.. you are talking like a villain from a bad tv show xD

"This is your life nowwwww!"
"Without it.. you will lose the will to fight"
"muhahahahaha"

(Yes I added the laughs, but it's all the same )





Yes, Wano is not Carrot's story, never has been. I wouldn't say irrelevant, just a side character and we've gone through this before, you already know that Robin was just a secondary character before joining even if it was part of her story. so yeah.. Carrot was just like that, just a little bit more non visible..

This argument seems so important to you .. yet.. it has no bases in the storytelling scheme of the story. it won't deny Carrot's chances in anyway.

Don't worry, Carrot will have her mometn, it's just not now. :)




You are making shortcut much too easily just to make your head canon fit your agenda.. Sorry but..

No, it would not make sence. The story of Yamato is related to her characterization, you can't just switch the storylines has you wish lol

Same for this fan theory and Carrot.. and even then I don't even think Oda thought about it ^^ Even a genius can't have all the ideas.



It doesn't work that way lol.
For that to be a reality, you have needed Yamato to be present in the arc and be low like Carrot is now.




See.. That's when I start losing patience discuting with you and start wanting to call you birds names.. The fact that I'm making assumptions and hypothesis does NOT negate the fact that those assumptions are based on actual content and facts. Only the REASONNING of those assumptions is debatable.. So.. if you want to debate.. DEBATE.. I'm more than okay with that, there is a lot to say about what I said as an hypothesis regarding Yamato.. But don't toss the whole argumentation just because the word "assumption" makes you puke.. that's just the sign of someone who is not here to debate but to be toxic.




Exactly




If I make hypothesis taht precisely because this is a possible answer einstein.. gosh darn it..




Yes I can.. that's the whole point of making hypothesis..
We are not in a court to debate evidences, we are (in that precise point) debating the character of Yamato which is STILL TO THE DAY a mystery even for me.

You can't ask me "why do you think Yamato was invented" and just toss out my hypothesis just because it doesn't fit your tiny narrative and agenda.. that's nonsence (yes i'm starting to be a bit salty here)

Right now, there is NO factual answers to the question "why do you think Yamato was invented". So.. if you have a better hypothesis .. BE MY GUEST. But at least try something lol


yes and ?



Nah.. only because the hate for a carrot doesn't negate the influence the hype of a character can have. You can therefore hate Yamato and still be bias toward her. Don't worry I'm not blind.



That's not my strongest argument. But as you take only what fits your narrative, of course you will cut away the others. And no, the story is not showing the opposite, it's going perfectly my way for now :) You will have to give me some evidences to prove me otherwise ma boi.



Yup, because Yamato won't join. This is just what the story is telling me. I'm sorry that my lack of compromise hurt you that much. But that's just the way things are now.




Yet, it proves you other wise.

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You are aware that the comparison between the hate that recieve monet and monet fan VS the hate the recieve Carrot /Carrot's fan is meaningless.. right ?

Having our own perspective is a thing, being toxic is another. IT's all about the balance of power, the victim and the oppressor.

Read carefully to my post, I'm never triggered by toxicity. i'm only triggered when I need to re peat 100 time the same things. While I do denounce the toxicity toward Carrot and her fan I'm not doing the as a personnal fight, I do this :

- For my fellow carrot fan who feel litterally bullied and don't want to talk about Carrot anymore because of that
- For the story itself

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"i'm being toxic but.. that's just me"

Because sharing one's own opinion is inherently "Toxic". You need help.

When Carrot ultimately doesn't Join the crew quit everything you were attempting to do as the so called Challenge, never analyze, never write again never read OP again or at least never come to this website again. Never do it again. This will be a bet. lol

 

[Pot Goblin]

Those seven rules are indeed broad. The whole point was to find the CORE of what makes a good potential candidate for a recruitment for a storytelling standpoint (not a potential strawhat.. yet)

Trust me, it works, I've done the math on ALL the characters (yeah the very thousands), and with those seven rules, you can actually pinpoint 5 good candidates:

Momo/Tama/Yamato/Carrot/Marco.





None of the strawhats are breaking those rule. You can check.

Careful.. Nami, while she is technically with Arlong at the time, has expressed the need to quit/reconsider her position

The fact that Nami had a responsibility didn't negate the fact that this responsibility was coming to an end. She was therefore, a good candidate in theory. (the nuance is important)

A new recruit on the Sunny will become part of the strawhats, implying that they must first be free of responsibilities. In other words they must:
Be free
Or
Without a faction
Or
Have expressed the need to reevaluate their current position
Or
Have already left their current faction






And the fact that you are saying that to me shows that you still have a bit to learn about the way One Piece is constructed. Notes that I doesn't deny the presence of Sad Backstory/Dream, those will just be transformed into something else later on.. but you have to read to understand what it is ;)

Trust me, I don't make storytelling points lightly, even more so for this precise one. If you feel like something is off, it's more probable, that you are near a cognitive dissonance in front of the story.. either designed by you or by the fan.




Lmao.. you are talking like a villain from a bad tv show xD

"This is your life nowwwww!"
"Without it.. you will lose the will to fight"
"muhahahahaha"

(Yes I added the laughs, but it's all the same )





Yes, Wano is not Carrot's story, never has been. I wouldn't say irrelevant, just a side character and we've gone through this before, you already know that Robin was just a secondary character before joining even if it was part of her story. so yeah.. Carrot was just like that, just a little bit more non visible..

This argument seems so important to you .. yet.. it has no bases in the storytelling scheme of the story. it won't deny Carrot's chances in anyway.

Don't worry, Carrot will have her mometn, it's just not now. :)




You are making shortcut much too easily just to make your head canon fit your agenda.. Sorry but..

No, it would not make sence. The story of Yamato is related to her characterization, you can't just switch the storylines has you wish lol

Same for this fan theory and Carrot.. and even then I don't even think Oda thought about it ^^ Even a genius can't have all the ideas.



It doesn't work that way lol.
For that to be a reality, you have needed Yamato to be present in the arc and be low like Carrot is now.




See.. That's when I start losing patience discuting with you and start wanting to call you birds names.. The fact that I'm making assumptions and hypothesis does NOT negate the fact that those assumptions are based on actual content and facts. Only the REASONNING of those assumptions is debatable.. So.. if you want to debate.. DEBATE.. I'm more than okay with that, there is a lot to say about what I said as an hypothesis regarding Yamato.. But don't toss the whole argumentation just because the word "assumption" makes you puke.. that's just the sign of someone who is not here to debate but to be toxic.




Exactly




If I make hypothesis taht precisely because this is a possible answer einstein.. gosh darn it..




Yes I can.. that's the whole point of making hypothesis..
We are not in a court to debate evidences, we are (in that precise point) debating the character of Yamato which is STILL TO THE DAY a mystery even for me.

You can't ask me "why do you think Yamato was invented" and just toss out my hypothesis just because it doesn't fit your tiny narrative and agenda.. that's nonsence (yes i'm starting to be a bit salty here)

Right now, there is NO factual answers to the question "why do you think Yamato was invented". So.. if you have a better hypothesis .. BE MY GUEST. But at least try something lol


yes and ?



Nah.. only because the hate for a carrot doesn't negate the influence the hype of a character can have. You can therefore hate Yamato and still be bias toward her. Don't worry I'm not blind.



That's not my strongest argument. But as you take only what fits your narrative, of course you will cut away the others. And no, the story is not showing the opposite, it's going perfectly my way for now :) You will have to give me some evidences to prove me otherwise ma boi.



Yup, because Yamato won't join. This is just what the story is telling me. I'm sorry that my lack of compromise hurt you that much. But that's just the way things are now.




Yet, it proves you other wise.

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You are aware that the comparison between the hate that recieve monet and monet fan VS the hate the recieve Carrot /Carrot's fan is meaningless.. right ?

Having our own perspective is a thing, being toxic is another. IT's all about the balance of power, the victim and the oppressor.

Read carefully to my post, I'm never triggered by toxicity. i'm only triggered when I need to re peat 100 time the same things. While I do denounce the toxicity toward Carrot and her fan I'm not doing the as a personnal fight, I do this :

- For my fellow carrot fan who feel litterally bullied and don't want to talk about Carrot anymore because of that
- For the story itself

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"i'm being toxic but.. that's just me"

Something that kind of confuses me about the whole Yamato is not joining thing is how it factors in Carrot. If Carrot's moment is supposed to be on Elbaf or on an arc past Wano, and Carrot is supposed to initially tag along to the next island by being a surprise stowaway again... How does Yamato joining affect that?

Would it be too farfetched if the story properly focused on Yamato joining in Wano, then during the next chapter after Wano Carrot pops out and tags along again? I feel like if this happened Yamato would be a lot like Jinbe is currently in the Wano arc, where it's mostly about them getting used to being on the crew with the occasional cool moment. It would still give Carrot enough room to explore more of her character. Carrot joining would still be a massive surprise moment without burning anybody in the process.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Something that kind of confuses me about the whole Yamato is not joining thing is how it factors in Carrot. If Carrot's moment is supposed to be on Elbaf or on an arc past Wano, and Carrot is supposed to initially tag along to the next island by being a surprise stowaway again... How does Yamato joining affect that?

Would it be too farfetched if the story properly focused on Yamato joining in Wano, then during the next chapter after Wano Carrot pops out and tags along again? I feel like if this happened Yamato would be a lot like Jinbe is currently in the Wano arc, where it's mostly about them getting used to being on the crew with the occasional cool moment. It would still give Carrot enough room to explore more of her character. Carrot joining would still be a massive surprise moment without burning anybody in the process.

The problem is Elbaf is Usopps time to shine, and sharing that along with Jinbei whose joined plus Yamato and everybody else, and then you guys want Carrot to somehow fit in all that too.

As for the Stowaway again, If it happens just a chapter after it be just bad writing. When you could literally just put them both together. It's a waste of time and panels.

 

[Pot Goblin]

The problem is Elbaf is Usopps time to shine, and sharing that along with Jinbei whose joined plus Yamato and everybody else, and then you guys want Carrot to somehow fit in all that too.

I'm not personally subscribed to the Elbaf theory, but I could see it working if Elbaf is more of a condensed and grounded arc that more focuses on the Straw Hats compared to recent arcs.

Though one should keep in mind that we have no idea what the Straw Hats next move is after Wano. If there's some kind of dire situation with Vivi/Sabo then that could throw a bit of a wrench in things for Carrot if she even joins by surprise after Wano.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

So other than Yamato, who are the most likely candidates:
1. Vivi
2. Sabo
3. Bellamy
Are the main candidates. Anyone else?

 

[Logiko]

Because sharing one's own opinion is inherently "Toxic". You need help.

When Carrot ultimately doesn't Join the crew quit everything you were attempting to do as the so called Challenge, never analyze, never write again never read OP again or at least never come to this website again. Never do it again. This will be a bet. lol

Every opinions comes with a context. If you don't take the context into account while making your opinion and if that opinion is participating to an oppression, your are being toxic.

I didn't understand the second part of your point, too much double negatives.

Something that kind of confuses me about the whole Yamato is not joining thing is how it factors in Carrot. If Carrot's moment is supposed to be on Elbaf or on an arc past Wano, and Carrot is supposed to initially tag along to the next island by being a surprise stowaway again... How does Yamato joining affect that?


Would it be too farfetched if the story properly focused on Yamato joining in Wano, then during the next chapter after Wano Carrot pops out and tags along again? I feel like if this happened Yamato would be a lot like Jinbe is currently in the Wano arc, where it's mostly about them getting used to being on the crew with the occasional cool moment. It would still give Carrot enough room to explore more of her character. Carrot joining would still be a massive surprise moment without burning anybody in the process.

It doesn't. I'm not ruling out Yamato for the same reasons that I rule Carrot in. Those are two different discussions that "can" have some points on similarities.

The problem is Elbaf is Usopps time to shine, and sharing that along with Jinbei whose joined plus Yamato and everybody else, and then you guys want Carrot to somehow fit in all that too.

As for the Stowaway again, If it happens just a chapter after it be just bad writing. When you could literally just put them both together. It's a waste of time and panels.

Whole cake was Sanji's time to shine but.. let's see who did what ?
- Carrot destroyed a whole fleet
- Jinbe T bagged a Tsunami
- Brook fought with a Yonko and managed to steel the poneglyph

You see.. it doesn't matter that an arc is supposed to be "someones" time to shine, if Oda wants it, he will find a way to make every character he wants shine, and it will be good.

The stowaway can only happen at the very last chapter of Wano, at the transition of the arc between Wano and the next. It can't happen later and it can't happen earlier. And this is not bad writing, this is just a One Piece storytelling rule (and a nice running gag).

So other than Yamato, who are the most likely candidates:
1. Vivi
2. Sabo
3. Bellamy
Are the main candidates. Anyone else?

Carrot is the main candidate right now but other than that, Momo, Tama, Marco and Yamato are the next best thing.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Carrot is the main candidate right now but other than that, Momo, Tama, Marco and Yamato are the next best thing.

Yeah other than Yamato none of these characters have any hopes of joining.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Every opinions comes with a context. If you don't take the context into account while making your opinion and if that opinion is participating to an oppression, your are being toxic.

I didn't understand the second part of your point, too much double negatives.



It doesn't. I'm not ruling out Yamato for the same reasons that I rule Carrot in. Those are two different discussions that "can" have some points on similarities.




Whole cake was Sanji's time to shine but.. let's see who did what ?
- Carrot destroyed a whole fleet
- Jinbe T bagged a Tsunami
- Brook fought with a Yonko and managed to steel the poneglyph

You see.. it doesn't matter that an arc is supposed to be "someones" time to shine, if Oda wants it, he will find a way to make every character he wants shine, and it will be good.

The stowaway can only happen at the very last chapter of Wano, at the transition of the arc between Wano and the next. It can't happen later and it can't happen earlier. And this is not bad writing, this is just a One Piece storytelling rule (and a nice running gag).




Carrot is the main candidate right now but other than that, Momo, Tama, Marco and Yamato are the next best thing.

You are just like the boy who cried wolf, Keep calling being toxic for the most littlest of things. You are toxic all by yourself.

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I'm not personally subscribed to the Elbaf theory, but I could see it working if Elbaf is more of a condensed and grounded arc that more focuses on the Straw Hats compared to recent arcs.

Though one should keep in mind that we have no idea what the Straw Hats next move is after Wano. If there's some kind of dire situation with Vivi/Sabo then that could throw a bit of a wrench in things for Carrot if she even joins by surprise after Wano.

If Carrot joins. But she's gonna need a lot of panels to justify why she joins. If it doesn't happen in Wano; it hasn't so far, then in between arcs and even then that's doubtful.

 

[Pot Goblin]

So other than Yamato, who are the most likely candidates:
1. Vivi
2. Sabo
3. Bellamy
Are the main candidates. Anyone else?

I personally think Vivi is the one that's more than likely to join next considering her past with the Straw Hats as well as the implications of her current situation. If Cobra is dead and the WG is hunting Vivi then the best place for her is to get back with the Straw Hats. I have a feeling that after Wano things are about to get real funky.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I personally think Vivi is the one that's more than likely to join next considering her past with the Straw Hats as well as the implications of her current situation. If Cobra is dead and the WG is hunting Vivi then the best place for her is to get back with the Straw Hats. I have a feeling that after Wano things are about to get real funky.

Yeah Vivi is honestly guaranteed imo. Sabo has a high chance if by some insanity oda does kill off Yamato to add tension to Wano. And Bellamy also has a high chance.

 

[Pot Goblin]

You are just like the boy who cried wolf, Keep calling being toxic for the most littlest of things. You are toxic all by yourself.

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If Carrot joins. But she's gonna need a lot of panels to justify why she joins. If it doesn't happen in Wano; it hasn't so far, then in between arcs and even then that's doubtful.

It's why I personally see a door open with Carrot on Wano with the Big Mom pirates acting as a wild card, give her that redeeming/Straw Hat moment there and you can give Usopp his time to shine without stealing his thunder on Elbaf while still exploring her character. Whenever I say "redeeming moment" I'm more referring to her getting a chapter or at least part of a chapter that Killer got in 1029.

I understand that it's farfetched at this point and I'm huffing a lot of hopium saying this, but I can very least see a glimmer of a chance if the cards play right.

Yeah Vivi is honestly guaranteed imo. Sabo has a high chance if by some insanity oda does kill off Yamato to add tension to Wano. And Bellamy also has a high chance.

At the very least with Sabo, I can see him tag along Kinemon style for a little bit for the same reasons Vivi will have to go to them.

I'm not so sure for Bellamy as it seems like he'll come back to the story alongside the other Grandfleet members. But I see where you're coming from as Bellamy and Luffy earned a lot of respect for each other during Dressrosa.

 

[Logiko]

Yeah other than Yamato none of these characters have any hopes of joining.

What ? I can't understand you, I don't speak nonsence :queenhear:

You are just like the boy who cried wolf, Keep calling being toxic for the most littlest of things. You are toxic all by yourself.

- The most little things can make a person go from

TO

So please... the next time you want to give your opinion, just check that there is not 1000 behind you who did the same things..

If Carrot joins. But she's gonna need a lot of panels to justify why she joins. If it doesn't happen in Wano; it hasn't so far, then in between arcs and even then that's doubtful.

Why she is recruted*

To join, Carrot does not need anymore panel. She could be completely invisible until the very end of the arc and stowaway, and this would still be logical.

 

[Ravagerblade]

What ? I can't understand you, I don't speak nonsence :queenhear:




- The most little things can make a person go from

TO

So please... the next time you want to give your opinion, just check that there is not 1000 behind you who did the same things..






Why she is recruted*

To join, Carrot does not need anymore panel. She could be completely invisible until the very end of the arc and stowaway, and this would still be logical.

No. Everything you said here, is wrong. How can you be so wrong, Do you wake up in the morning and think to yourself, How many things can I write wrong? Is this the actual challenge you've been doing, because that's what it seems like.

I bet you'd be the type of person who when eating cereal, pours the milk in the bowl first and then the actual cereal.

 

[Logiko]

No. Everything you said here, is wrong. How can you be so wrong, Do you wake up in the morning and think to yourself, How many things can I write wrong? Is this the actual challenge you've been doing, because that's what it seems like.

I bet you'd be the type of person who when eating cereal, pours the milk in the bowl first and then the actual cereal.

Sometimes I even only drink the milk..

 

[Ravagerblade]

Sometimes I even only drink the milk..

 

[Pot Goblin]

Sometimes I even only drink the milk..

Wut?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It's why I personally see a door open with Carrot on Wano with the Big Mom pirates acting as a wild card, give her that redeeming/Straw Hat moment there and you can give Usopp his time to shine without stealing his thunder on Elbaf while still exploring her character. Whenever I say "redeeming moment" I'm more referring to her getting a chapter or at least part of a chapter that Killer got in 1029.

I understand that it's farfetched at this point and I'm huffing a lot of hopium saying this, but I can very least see a glimmer of a chance if the cards play right.



At the very least with Sabo, I can see him tag along Kinemon style for a little bit for the same reasons Vivi will have to go to them.

I'm not so sure for Bellamy as it seems like he'll come back to the story alongside the other Grandfleet members. But I see where you're coming from as Bellamy and Luffy earned a lot of respect for each other during Dressrosa.

So the thing with Sabo is that he just plays the role of Luffys Oden too well. That if Yamato doesn’t join then Sabo basically guaranteed imo. And Bellamy is very likely to return to the story soon since he has Luffys Vivre card is making Luffy a new flag is the only ”fleet member” Who rested with the straw hats in Dressrosa, and doesn’t have a crew to return with.

 

[Pot Goblin]

So the thing with Sabo is that he just plays the role of Luffys Oden too well. That if Yamato doesn’t join then Sabo basically guaranteed imo. And Bellamy is very likely to return to the story soon since he has Luffys Vivre card is making Luffy a new flag is the only ”fleet member” Who rested with the straw hats in Dressrosa, and doesn’t have a crew to return with.

I can respect that...

I like the thought process about Bellamy resting with the crew as well, never thought about that before.