Who will be the next Strawhat


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But that's not Luffy's (King of the Pirates) crew though...besides Whitebeard stated too many CoC users on a crew doesn't work per experience. The question is were they active CoC users before invited by Xebec or awakened as crewmates? IMO, it seems to be the former.
It doesn't matter if it's Luffy's crew or not... That "too many CoC users" statement may further reinforce having CoC user Yamato joining, like Roger, Luffy will succeed... Take note that WB's and Kaido's experience is from Xebec, a failed man... Again, if they're active CoC members during Rocks Pirates doesn't matter... Let's say they were: WB, BM, Kaido, then it still makes sense for Luffy: Zoro, Yamato, Usopp...

Going by past invitations, Yamato lacks foreshadowing, a known needed ship role, or connections.
Lacks foreshadowing? Are you sure? Since the timeskip, she's been foreshadowed via those other SH candidates/characters that people feel may join... As per the ship role, we have yet to see what Yamato can do during "peace time" as she was introduced during "war time"...
 
Anyway about Yamato’s role, I’m more convinced that her role will be guardian. Monster Trio have always gone to their respective enemy in fights. The only one who usually appears to cover the weak crew is Sanji, and Sanji can’t fight to protect them if the enemy is a woman. Yamato as a girl might be perfect to be the guardian, and fight the girl on enemy side in the future (if Robin isn’t there). She can also appear to protect Nami, Usopp, Chopper since they are usually the targets.
I say the same thing but I think if momo and or Tama join as apprentice she should be their guardian. First as Oden secondly as ace's friend. I know it's a long shot but if luffy is like Roger he'll have apprentices and. Oth of them have seen a lot for their age and have extremely important devil fruits.
 

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It's not about easy but Luffy's reasoning which is Oda's reasoning.

Luffy doesn't seem interested in Yamato. Oda has not put Luffy in a situation to observe Yamato for a defining moment for an invitation decision. They fought briefly, talked about Oden's Log book, split off, met shortly against Kaido, then split off again. At least let Luffy see Yamato's transformations. Luffy hasn't even seen a Mink turn Sulong. Why the avoidance by Oda?

How long does it generally take for Luffy to invite someone to be in his crew? What are Luffy's reasons to ask?
  1. Luffy was already contemplating inviting Zoro before they met based on Coby's scary description of Zoro. Made up his mind after seeing Zoro eat that dirtied sweet rice ball.
  2. Zoro approved of Nami's navigation skills before they met. Luffy invited Nami as soon as Luffy knew Nami was a navigator. Luffy took back the invitation when he thought she was bad. Reinvited when he realized she was not bad. Helps Nami after she runs away.
  3. Told Usopp to hop on Merry when they were leaving. I believe once Luffy knew Usopp was Yasopp's son that Usopp would be invited, maybe already a crewmate in Luffy's mind hence why it wasn't a formal invitation. Luffy accepts Usopp's apology to rejoin.
  4. Invited Sanji once Luffy saw Sanji was a good cook. Luffy refused Sanji's refusal. Rescues Sanji from Big Mom after Sanji ran away.
  5. Invited Chopper based off Chopper's 7 transformations. Nami invited Chopper because Chopper is a doctor. Luffy refused Chopper's refusal.
  6. Robin self invited herself because Luffy rescued a suicidal Robin were Robin's previous acts let Luffy determine Robin was not a bad person. Robin's ship role was hinted at the end of Alabasta and expanded once on board the Merry. Helps Robin realize she wants to live and rescues her from the World Government after she runs away.
  7. Franky has similarities to Luffy's shipwright drawing before Water 7. Invited Franky because the Franky Family wanted Franky to leave Water 7 because of Franky's bounty, needed a shipwright, and Luffy was pleased shipwright Franky built their new ship Sunny. Franky's dream also requires Franky to travel on his dream ship.
  8. Luffy almost immediately invited Brook on the spot. Brook had multiple attributes and connections foreshadowed throughout the series: musician, Laboon, and afro that Luffy summarizes. After accepting then declining, Brook reaccepts after his shadow was saved.
  9. Introduced in Arlong Arc. In Impel Down and Marineford, Luffy and Jinbe were together trying to rescue Ace. Afterwards, Jinbe helped Luffy cope with the loss of Ace. Later, the Strawhats and Jinbe save Fishman Island from Hody Jones where Luffy invites Jinbe during a memorable blood transfusion. After initially declining, Jinbe officially joins the Strawhats in front of Big Mom which Luffy is joyful about. It just so happens Jinbe is a fantastic helmsman which said position was introduced with Burgess back in Jaya.
The trend seems to be more build up for each subsequent crewmate. The later a crewmate joins, then the more setup has been displayed in the series. Where is Yamato's setup? A vivre card made for Ace that Ace gave one piece of it to Luffy...which is gone since Ace is dead. IMO, a better setup if Yamato were a future crewmate is if Ace would have also gave Luffy Yamato's vivre card saying something like "Free this person if something happens to me" or at least mentioned some characteristic of Yamato to Luffy. It gives us the reader something to speculate.

And the other invitees:
  1. Gaimon has a shrub afro. An Oda favorite.
  2. Crocus is a doctor.
  3. Dr. Kureha is a doctor.
  4. Vivi was a red herring for Robin.
  5. Iceberg is a shipwright.
  6. Old Tree Guy Zombie and Unicorn Zombie because ...? It never was explored.
  7. Kin'emon's legs for Luffy to be a centaur.
  8. Leopard Centaur because...centaur.

I ask again, what reason does Luffy want Yamato on the crew? From past experiences, it would be because Luffy sees Yamato as a good person. Well that's not a unique enough reason as Luffy knows plenty of good people that were not invited. Same principle with Yamato's strength. But since Yamato is a good strong person, Luffy may accept Yamato as a guest but another self invitation as a crewmate without similar depth like Robin's setup seems unlikely.

And did you just write future shogun Momo is not the successor of Oden, Momo's father and someone who was supposed to be shogun, but some random stan in Yamato is Oden's successor?
:odenugh:

But that's not Luffy's (King of the Pirates) crew though...besides Whitebeard stated too many CoC users on a crew doesn't work per experience. The question is were they active CoC users before invited by Xebec or awakened as crewmates? IMO, it seems to be the former.

I could see Oda having some of the current crewmates awaken their CoC haki like Nami (Money Queen, Weather Queen, Queen of Witches), Usopp (Sniper King, God Usopp), or Sanji (Mr. Prince, Cook King) but inviting a CoC user right away is questionable as Zoro (King of Hell) just learned to use CoC with Enma. The readers have seen that growth from Zoro. Yamato would be a CoC throw-in. What is Yamato conquering? What would be a potential title?

Your reasoning for thinking Yamato will be invited is fanmade rules. It's all an analysis of our observations.

Going by past invitations, Yamato lacks foreshadowing, a known needed ship role, or connections.

I mentioned Usopp, Franky, Brook, and Jinbe because that part of their childhood can be explored, would be something fans would want to know, and gives depth to their characters. If Yamato has more to their character besides copying a character that didn't even acknowledge their existence or copying moves from the father they hate, then it would be nice to see but not sure it's something Oda needs to explore for Yamato as a crewmate. That resolution could be explored with potential partner Momo as they are linked with similarities.

Not really. The narrative is Yamato wants to ride Luffy's ship to explore the seas and be free. That dream would be complete once they sail outside of Wano. Not a likely scenario. So Yamato needs a more defined end goal. Maybe Oda's holding it for some grand reveal but I doubt it especially how Yamato blurts out whatever with no filter.

But we shall see. Just be ready to have your copium if Yamato doesn't join.
:jackcopium:
Luffy didn't show interest in Robin joining at all. She invited herself at the end of an arc and said why not. Luffy didn't show his interest for Franky joining until after Enies Lobby, after the big battle with CP9. Luffy didnt show interest in Jinbe joining until the latter saved Luffy's again at the end of Fishman Island. Luffy not showing particular interest in Yamato during the arc climax isn't an argument against the shitty Nami clone.

As for foreshadowing, every SH was foreshadowed by other SHs, and they share striking similarities with each other.

Zoro-Chopper-Jinbe
-all 3 had the rep of being monsters
-all 3 were introduced tied to something
-Luffy saved something of great importance to them(Zoro's swords, Hiliuk's flag, Fishman Island)
-the villains for each were arrogant shitheads hated by their own people for making their lives hell(Morgan forced everyone to worship him or die, Wapol banished all doctors from his kingdom, Hody was known as a thug and attacked his own kind)
-The need for a doctor was first mentioned by Zoro, with a doctor saying the SHs really need a doc for someone like Zoro. In Arlong Park, Zoro's shirt was the same pattern and color scheme as Jinbe's skin and sideburns).

Usopp-Franky
-both were known as troublemakers in their hometowns
-both lead a gang named after them
-both got into a serious fight with Luffy
-both joined after the SHs got a new ship
-the villains of both arcs involved infiltration, framing and betrayal.
-Usopp foreshadowed Franky by being the first one to mention a need for one. He said he can't fix up the Sunny that well cause he ain't a shipwright

Sanji-Brook
-both were introduced on a ship with tea
-both are gentleman perverts
-both were tied to a place because of regret and a promise
-the villains of both were materialistic, wanting the best resources to do the work for them
-Sanji foreshadowed Brook by imagining himself as a dead skeleton with hair

Now on to Nami-Robin and how Yamato similar.
-all 3 didn't have a good first meeting with Luffy(Luffy was annoyed by Nami and said he wantes nothing to so with her. Luffy yelled at Robin and said he hated her. Luffy got into a fight with Yamato saying he doesn't care what she has to say and was in a hurry).
-all 3 tried to bare everything alone but ended up receiving help, with a big theme of them having their freedom stolen
-the villains of all 3 tried to dictate what their fate and destiny was(Arlong said Nami's fate was draw maps for him. Spandam and Lucci said Robin's fate was to serve the WG. Kaido said Yamato's fate was to stay in Wano for his sake.)
-the villains of all 3 were beasts with a superior complex due to their race or background
-Nami foreshadowed Robin by wearing her Miss Sunday outfit in Loguetown. Momo called Nami a princess for saving him, with Sanji, Brooke and Kinemon calling him a demon. Yamato is known as the demon princess and saved Momo
 
It's not about easy but Luffy's reasoning which is Oda's reasoning.

Luffy doesn't seem interested in Yamato. Oda has not put Luffy in a situation to observe Yamato for a defining moment for an invitation decision. They fought briefly, talked about Oden's Log book, split off, met shortly against Kaido, then split off again. At least let Luffy see Yamato's transformations. Luffy hasn't even seen a Mink turn Sulong. Why the avoidance by Oda?

How long does it generally take for Luffy to invite someone to be in his crew? What are Luffy's reasons to ask?
  1. Luffy was already contemplating inviting Zoro before they met based on Coby's scary description of Zoro. Made up his mind after seeing Zoro eat that dirtied sweet rice ball.
  2. Zoro approved of Nami's navigation skills before they met. Luffy invited Nami as soon as Luffy knew Nami was a navigator. Luffy took back the invitation when he thought she was bad. Reinvited when he realized she was not bad. Helps Nami after she runs away.
  3. Told Usopp to hop on Merry when they were leaving. I believe once Luffy knew Usopp was Yasopp's son that Usopp would be invited, maybe already a crewmate in Luffy's mind hence why it wasn't a formal invitation. Luffy accepts Usopp's apology to rejoin.
  4. Invited Sanji once Luffy saw Sanji was a good cook. Luffy refused Sanji's refusal. Rescues Sanji from Big Mom after Sanji ran away.
  5. Invited Chopper based off Chopper's 7 transformations. Nami invited Chopper because Chopper is a doctor. Luffy refused Chopper's refusal.
  6. Robin self invited herself because Luffy rescued a suicidal Robin were Robin's previous acts let Luffy determine Robin was not a bad person. Robin's ship role was hinted at the end of Alabasta and expanded once on board the Merry. Helps Robin realize she wants to live and rescues her from the World Government after she runs away.
  7. Franky has similarities to Luffy's shipwright drawing before Water 7. Invited Franky because the Franky Family wanted Franky to leave Water 7 because of Franky's bounty, needed a shipwright, and Luffy was pleased shipwright Franky built their new ship Sunny. Franky's dream also requires Franky to travel on his dream ship.
  8. Luffy almost immediately invited Brook on the spot. Brook had multiple attributes and connections foreshadowed throughout the series: musician, Laboon, and afro that Luffy summarizes. After accepting then declining, Brook reaccepts after his shadow was saved.
  9. Introduced in Arlong Arc. In Impel Down and Marineford, Luffy and Jinbe were together trying to rescue Ace. Afterwards, Jinbe helped Luffy cope with the loss of Ace. Later, the Strawhats and Jinbe save Fishman Island from Hody Jones where Luffy invites Jinbe during a memorable blood transfusion. After initially declining, Jinbe officially joins the Strawhats in front of Big Mom which Luffy is joyful about. It just so happens Jinbe is a fantastic helmsman which said position was introduced with Burgess back in Jaya.
The trend seems to be more build up for each subsequent crewmate. The later a crewmate joins, then the more setup has been displayed in the series. Where is Yamato's setup? A vivre card made for Ace that Ace gave one piece of it to Luffy...which is gone since Ace is dead. IMO, a better setup if Yamato were a future crewmate is if Ace would have also gave Luffy Yamato's vivre card saying something like "Free this person if something happens to me" or at least mentioned some characteristic of Yamato to Luffy. It gives us the reader something to speculate.

And the other invitees:
  1. Gaimon has a shrub afro. An Oda favorite.
  2. Crocus is a doctor.
  3. Dr. Kureha is a doctor.
  4. Vivi was a red herring for Robin.
  5. Iceberg is a shipwright.
  6. Old Tree Guy Zombie and Unicorn Zombie because ...? It never was explored.
  7. Kin'emon's legs for Luffy to be a centaur.
  8. Leopard Centaur because...centaur.

I ask again, what reason does Luffy want Yamato on the crew? From past experiences, it would be because Luffy sees Yamato as a good person. Well that's not a unique enough reason as Luffy knows plenty of good people that were not invited. Same principle with Yamato's strength. But since Yamato is a good strong person, Luffy may accept Yamato as a guest but another self invitation as a crewmate without similar depth like Robin's setup seems unlikely.

And did you just write future shogun Momo is not the successor of Oden, Momo's father and someone who was supposed to be shogun, but some random stan in Yamato is Oden's successor?
:odenugh:

But that's not Luffy's (King of the Pirates) crew though...besides Whitebeard stated too many CoC users on a crew doesn't work per experience. The question is were they active CoC users before invited by Xebec or awakened as crewmates? IMO, it seems to be the former.

I could see Oda having some of the current crewmates awaken their CoC haki like Nami (Money Queen, Weather Queen, Queen of Witches), Usopp (Sniper King, God Usopp), or Sanji (Mr. Prince, Cook King) but inviting a CoC user right away is questionable as Zoro (King of Hell) just learned to use CoC with Enma. The readers have seen that growth from Zoro. Yamato would be a CoC throw-in. What is Yamato conquering? What would be a potential title?

Your reasoning for thinking Yamato will be invited is fanmade rules. It's all an analysis of our observations.

Going by past invitations, Yamato lacks foreshadowing, a known needed ship role, or connections.

I mentioned Usopp, Franky, Brook, and Jinbe because that part of their childhood can be explored, would be something fans would want to know, and gives depth to their characters. If Yamato has more to their character besides copying a character that didn't even acknowledge their existence or copying moves from the father they hate, then it would be nice to see but not sure it's something Oda needs to explore for Yamato as a crewmate. That resolution could be explored with potential partner Momo as they are linked with similarities.

Not really. The narrative is Yamato wants to ride Luffy's ship to explore the seas and be free. That dream would be complete once they sail outside of Wano. Not a likely scenario. So Yamato needs a more defined end goal. Maybe Oda's holding it for some grand reveal but I doubt it especially how Yamato blurts out whatever with no filter.

But we shall see. Just be ready to have your copium if Yamato doesn't join.
:jackcopium:
Okay one thing that almost all strawhats have in common is a dream or goal so to say.
And Yamato wants to leave wano and travel freely. Luffy is not gonna deny her her wish and he has never declined a person who asked to join the crew.
Robin asked he accepted, brook asked after rejecting Luffy and he accepted. Vivi asked if they could travel with them to Wheatley peak and he said yes. What makes you believe he is gonna say no to Yamato???
 
  1. Yamato's Devil Fruit was described as a/the "Guardian Deity of Wano". How could Yamato guard Wano traveling on the seas? Yamato seems ready to embrace that role.
  2. Yamato wants to be a accepted by people of Wano and a great start is helping overthrow Kaido
Kaido called Yamato the guardian deity because that's the role he assigned her in his overall scheme

Yamato wants to save wano because of her admiration for Oden and the samurai and belief that Kaido shouldn't be oppressing them and hates how they are treated
She never showed any desire for their approval, she never wanted anyone's approval, just to beat Kaido, free Wano and live as freely as she could
 

Pot Goblin

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What these idiots don't understand is if Oda was really aiming for Yamato become the actual Wano Guardian/Deity whatever, he would have no need to make a backstory of her and Ace and that bond or making a connection with Luffy etc.
That's just redundancy and pointless.
Agreed, there are a variety of good ways to actually have this happen.

Having her say she wants to join the crew or adventure out of Wano more than once then do the opposite is not one of them. There is 0 value of this outside of the shock factor.
 
The year is 2025 and we all gonna laugh at the biggest meme in the past: "Yamao4Nakama".
After every single other princess4nakama hype train flopped, the fact that Oda can still manage to fool people with it will always deserve at least some praise from me.
Having her say she wants to join the crew or adventure out of Wano more than once then do the opposite is not one of them. There is 0 value of this outside of the shock factor.
Even if this was true, do you believe Oda is above doing things solely for the sake of shock factor?
 
What these idiots don't understand is if Oda was really aiming for Yamato become the actual Wano Guardian/Deity whatever, he would have no need to make a backstory of her and Ace and that bond or making a connection with Luffy etc.
That's just redundancy and pointless.
If he wanted her to become the guardian deity he would make her arc about slowly deciding to stay, but so far there has been nothing of the sort, and only the villain of the arc brought this idea up wich makes it even less likely imo
 

Pot Goblin

Conejo Blanco
After every single other princess4nakama hype train flopped, the fact that Oda can still manage to fool people with it will always deserve at least some praise from me.

Even if this was true, do you believe Oda is above doing things solely for the sake of shock factor?
He's done good shock reveals before, it's just that there's a limit to it. Oda has been hyping up most of the general audience for almost 2 years now with this character joining. If he truly plans on doing the opposite for a shocking moment, then it really needs to be worth it.

What would come from Yamato deciding to stay that would make up for the hype the audience got expecting her to be a crewmember? Because otherwise there would probably be a lot of confusion, anger, or disappointment instead of any excitement or anticipation of future events.
 
What would come from Yamato deciding to stay that would make up for the hype the audience got expecting her to be a crewmember? Because otherwise there would probably be a lot of confusion, anger, or disappointment instead of any excitement or anticipation of future events.
Oda is fully aware of nakama discussion existing so he knows how his readers (who the target audience is 13 yr olds btw) react to when a character has any obvious hints at joining, whether it be Luffy asking or they themselves. Each time he's went that obvious route and there's no big confusion about someone else instead or why that person didn't join. Even Vivi got to become an honorary SH despite never being inducted because he knew how the readers expected her over Robin.

That's why it baffles me that people are unironically arguing for a shock factor. Oda knew what he was doing when he made Yamato say "I'm going out to sea with Luffy" and the payoff expected from that by his audience.
 
He's done good shock reveals before, it's just that there's a limit to it. Oda has been hyping up most of the general audience for almost 2 years now with this character joining. If he truly plans on doing the opposite for a shocking moment, then it really needs to be worth it.
Yeah, but the one who decides whether it was "worth it" or not, is Oda. Not the readers. If he thinks Yamao maturing and deciding to become Wano's guardian is the most worthy route for her character in the context of the story, then that's what she'll do.
What would come from Yamato deciding to stay that would make up for the hype the audience got expecting her to be a crewmember?
Stories aren't dictated by audience hype, so I don't see the relevance of this. If they were, then Ace resurrecting from the grave to return alongside Sabo for a rematch against Akainu in the final war, would be considered by some to be the far more "hype" alternative over sleeping in the dirt for the rest of the series.
Because otherwise there would probably be a lot of confusion, anger, or disappointment instead of any excitement or anticipation of future events.
Only for diehard Yamao4nakama stans. And who cares about them?

If her story got resolved with her embracing her own identity and seeking to help the country she loves that will by then have accepted her as one of their own, then that's a totally fine end.
 

Pot Goblin

Conejo Blanco
Yeah, but the one who decides whether it was "worth it" or not, is Oda. Not the readers. If he thinks Yamao maturing and deciding to become Wano's guardian is the most worthy route for her character in the context of the story, then that's what she'll do.
True, Oda does have the final say. But, he's not writing this story just for himself, he's trying to write a story that inspires and entertains the people reading/watching it. Look at this quote and see what I mean.



So when you take a character that's extremely popular and a fan favorite for a good majority of the community and have them basically say "You know what? fuck those hopes and dreams I've had for literally my entire life. I'm going to do the thing that my abusive father has been trying to force me to do for 20 years." Might send a wrong message to the community, especially the younger target audience.

That is unless something good comes out of Yamato staying beyond just having her stay.

Stories aren't dictated by audience hype, so I don't see the relevance of this. If they were, then Ace resurrecting from the grave to return alongside Sabo for a rematch against Akainu in the final war, would be considered by some to be the far more "hype" alternative over sleeping in the dirt for the rest of the series.
Considering the audience is the lifeblood of any manga, I would say that stories are dictated by how it keeps readers reading. The best way to do this is by having them always want to know what happens next. You would want to set up expectations and anticipation for future events that will keep the reader's attention.

About your example, I think more people would be pissed that Oda used one of his weaker qualities (Can't kill characters) in literally the worst way possible than being hyped with a tag team vs Akainu. That is unless that fight is good enough to make up for that disappointing development. Which is the core of what I was getting at with this point. If you're going to subvert the audience's expectations then the results of that decision need to matter past the initial shocking moment.

Ex: Vivi is expected to join -> She stays behind to support her country -> The mysterious Nico Robin joins the crew by surprise!

Any sad or negative feelings from Vivi not joining the crew is countered by Robin joining, who at this point was an ex-antagonist, had a unique power that has a lot of room for creativity, and was very mysterious in general as she is tied with the Poneglyph's and the secrets they hold. This moment builds expectation and anticipation for the future of the series.

If this didn't happen then the arc would've ended in a sad and somber note going forward to the next arc, instead of the feelings of hype and interest that helps readers stick with a story.

What about Yamato?

Yamato is expected to join -> She stays behind to support her country -> ???

What is going to counter the sad or negative feelings of Yamato not joining that will build expectations and anticipation for the future of the series?

Only for diehard Yamao4nakama stans. And who cares about them?

If her story got resolved with her embracing her own identity and seeking to help the country she loves that will by then have accepted her as one of their own, then that's a totally fine end.
It's more than diehard fans for the character, it's everyone that likes her character and wants her to join. I'm a Carrot fan and would choose Carrot if I had to pick one or the other, but I would be disappointed as well if she stays with no payoff. It'd be a spit-in-the-face moment for general expectations and a waste of a cool character with potential.
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I should mention it's getting late for me where I'm at so I'll pick up any massive replies tomorrow. :goyea:
 
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Yamato would make a pretty good rival for Franky if she joined
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So with the Sunny stranded on the seas outside of Wano, and world government ships all over, someone not in onigashima will be coming to it’s rescue and meet the straw hats in wano. Wonder who that’ll be. My moneys on vivi and Sabo
Vivi will definitely sail with the Straw Hats again, but I think a little after Wano. I don't believe she'll ever be an offical member
 
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