My point wasn't just about the promise:
Given Yamato's promise to Ace, there's no reason to believe she'll remain in Wano after the arc ends.
No not really.
She only started protecting Momonosuke because Luffy asked her to:
Had Luffy not told her to, she wouldn't have done it. She wasn't even sure whether she was allowed to ("can I?").
Luffy told Shinobu to trust her:
She told Franky that Luffy left her in charge of them:
She abandoned Momonosuke without even guaranteeing his safety in order to fight Kaido:
Once she realised Luffy was in facing Kaido in a 1 vs 1, she decided that she had to hurry up:
Yamato's developments with Momonosuke are done, but more than that:
Yamato has completed her interactions with Ace. this is emphasised by the fact that — quite uncharacteristically I might add — she abandoned Momonosuke without verifying his safety so she could go and fight her father.
She can be:
I don't think fulfilling a role is important; the Strawhats made it as far as WCI without Jimbe. I don't think the lack of an apparent role is what will stop a Strawhat from joining; Jimbe was not asked to join Luffy's crew to become the Helmsman.
She still asked Luffy to join his crew.
Notably, Ace also asked her to join his crew.
I'm not — I have never actually — argued against Carrot's candidacy. I don't really think it's either or. I don't think Carrot joining precludes Yamato from joining.
"But Carrot did this to" is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. I'm discussing Yamato not Carrot.
Fair enough.
She was introduced at the very beginning of Onigashima, and has been built up as an ideal crew mate, both through her interactions with Luffy and her interactions with Ace.
So you completely missed my argument.
My argument was two fold:
You didn't actually address the above argument — like at all — you never directly engaged with the core argument.
- Ace actually asked Yamato to join the crew.
- Yamato had to decline due to the shackles restraining her, shackles that Luffy removed.
- Ace never asked Tama to join his crew, and Tama has not yet become an enchanting Kunoichi. Trying to equate Ace's propositions to Yamato and Tama is disingenuous at best.
- Yamato in turn promised Ace that she will set out to sea once her handcuffs have been removed.
Given Yamato's promise to Ace, there's no reason to believe she'll remain in Wano after the arc ends.
No not really.
She only started protecting Momonosuke because Luffy asked her to:
Luffy told Shinobu to trust her:
She told Franky that Luffy left her in charge of them:
She abandoned Momonosuke without even guaranteeing his safety in order to fight Kaido:
Once she realised Luffy was in facing Kaido in a 1 vs 1, she decided that she had to hurry up:
Yamato's developments with Momonosuke are done, but more than that:
- She only decided to protect him on Luffy's orders.
- Once Kinemon was freed to protect Momonosuke, Oda had her immediately abandon him, without even verifying his safety.
- Her interactions with Momonosuke were perfunctory to satisfy certain roles:
- It helped develop her character, with her explaining why she so much adored the life of Oden, showing her resolve and proudly declaring that her name is Yamato.
- It allowed us to witness her flashback with Ace. Yamato and Ace may have had more dialogue together than Yamato and Momonosuke.
- It allowed her to hand Momonosuke his father's journal.
Yamato has completed her interactions with Ace. this is emphasised by the fact that — quite uncharacteristically I might add — she abandoned Momonosuke without verifying his safety so she could go and fight her father.
She can be:
- The combatant.
- The chronicler/log keeper.
- The brewer.
I don't think fulfilling a role is important; the Strawhats made it as far as WCI without Jimbe. I don't think the lack of an apparent role is what will stop a Strawhat from joining; Jimbe was not asked to join Luffy's crew to become the Helmsman.
She still asked Luffy to join his crew.
Notably, Ace also asked her to join his crew.
I'm not — I have never actually — argued against Carrot's candidacy. I don't really think it's either or. I don't think Carrot joining precludes Yamato from joining.
"But Carrot did this to" is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. I'm discussing Yamato not Carrot.
Fair enough.
She was introduced at the very beginning of Onigashima, and has been built up as an ideal crew mate, both through her interactions with Luffy and her interactions with Ace.
So you completely missed my argument.
My argument was two fold:
- Yamato promised Ace that when her shackles are removed she'll set out to sea.
- Therefore Yamato will leave Wano after the arc ends.
- Yamato has extensive build-up with Luffy — and exclusively with Luffy — to join his crew.
- Therefore Yamato is leaving aboard Luffy's ship.
You didn't actually address the above argument — like at all — you never directly engaged with the core argument.
im not arguing that Yamato will stay on Wano. I think she’ll leave in some capacity whether temporarily or permanently, I just don’t believe it’ll be as a SH.
I don’t agree with the “momo wasn’t safe” argument. I think the panels make it pretty clear that they’re out of danger for the time being.
I think Yamato being concerned for luffy and wanting to join the fight goes back to the idea presented in Wano where someone said “in a 1 on 1 bet on kaido”. Yamato knows her father better than anyone so of course she would agree with that sentiment (and now we know she’s right because he lost). But if you look back at Sanji and zoro’s thoughts on luffy’s fight, their opinions are very different. They put their faith in luffy and Yamato has kind of done the opposite, so it doesn’t seem very SH like.
as I said before, to me ”let me board your ship” is very different from “let me join your crew”
You can say the role isnt important, but all SHs have one whether it was crucial or not; and they were all shown explicitly performing those roles early on. none of those proposed roles have explicitly been shown in the story. (We’ve never seen or heard about Yamato writing anything)
And combatant is zoro’s role
she may have been hinted at earlier but she didn’t physically appear in the narrative until the raid.
I agree Yamato has build up with luffy, thats indisputable. However I dont
