General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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We have not seen Carrot since chapter 1006. If She is supposed to be the last straw hat oda doing poor job Illustrating her importance or her significances for this arc in general. Ever since we Landed in Wano she has been reduced in being a background character. Ever since this raid has started Yamato has gotten more screen time devote to her as character in various panels alongside with the straw hats and their alliance. Chapters have been focus indirectly about her not only that we know more about her as a character. Her ideals, her relationship with Ace soon we are going to learn her relationship with her own father, her devil fruit, her race, and her ability's. She shown especially important for allies overall success. Without Yamato being there Kaido would go after them they all be dead. As said, before I will say it again the straw hats do need Yamato If they hope to survive in the new world the enemies there going face are going be tougher than last. It's also very fitting for Luffy Initial goal of gathering a crew that will surpass Shanks one day. I just do not think Carrot going cut it. When you have Cat Viper defeating the person responsible for perdro suppose death. It undermines Carrot motivation drive to get stronger or be better for Luffy in the future. Without question Yamato is obviously going to lose. However, If Luffy comes for the save Yamato once again this kind boast her motivate drive to join Luffy’s cause as well join his crew. If Yamato and Luffy working alongside as well rest straw hats boast her chance grow even further. Yamato does not want to stay with Momo at all. She is shown be very impulsive and impatient when it comes to fighting getting challenge for herself. She hates standing around baby sitting and She does not want be involved in her own words be part of kaido organization anymore. I do believe when this arc is over she will likely get bounty on her head. Since she is the child of the former yonko. She will be force to leave she go alongside straw hats on there journey.
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Luffy hardly had much of a relationship with Franky. Franky himself was far, far closer to Usopp and Robin than he ever was with Luffy. The only actual bonding moment they had before his joining was Luffy putting his faith in Franky to get back Robin. And Carrot already has something of equal value.
After saving her from Katakuri he put his faith in her, calling out her name specifically in the same breath as the rest of his crew to keep things under control without him.
Also a relationship is more than just a one way thing. Yamao may fantasise about Luffy, but Luffy doesn't particularly care about her or see her as anything more than a strong ally. If Luffy had to pick either Carrot or Yamao to join his crew it would be a no brainer that he'd pick Carrot. She's been travelling and living with him and other straw hats for weeks and they went through WCI together. She's his actual friend, as opposed to a random person who just burst out of nowhere and is saying weird shit about Oden.
Also a relationship is more than just a one way thing. Yamao may fantasise about Luffy, but Luffy doesn't particularly care about her or see her as anything more than a strong ally. If Luffy had to pick either Carrot or Yamao to join his crew it would be a no brainer that he'd pick Carrot. She's been travelling and living with him and other straw hats for weeks and they went through WCI together. She's his actual friend, as opposed to a random person who just burst out of nowhere and is saying weird shit about Oden.
Lowkey sad that some people just can’t stick to the topic at hand and commit abhorrent adhominems instead. Some of the past couple of pages been equivalent to a landfill.
It depends on what's more important to each individual. I can't deny the argument that some Strawhats have been somewhat neglected since post timeskip. It comes down to what you're willing to sacrifice, more exposition and interactions within the actual crew or more Nakamas.
Initially, the grand One Piece adventure all started with Luffy going around east blue gathering his crew. Having new friends to share your experience with is also part of the adventure just as much as discovering new islands and the world. We get to enjoy another perspective from other characters. In Robin's case it literally changed her heart and gave her a second chance to look at life through another lense. Of course, Luffy is the main reason for saving her from herself and the corrupt world, but the journey in itself moved her as well and gave her hope.
So my answer is i'd be ready to sacrifice some character time over a new member or members, if Oda has in bank amasing storytelling planned for them. If a new Strawhat join, Oda will do right by them like he's done with the other Strawhats.
Yamato still has a lot of boxes to check by the way, though anyone can see she's about to receive more characterisation as she's central to the plot.
Initially, the grand One Piece adventure all started with Luffy going around east blue gathering his crew. Having new friends to share your experience with is also part of the adventure just as much as discovering new islands and the world. We get to enjoy another perspective from other characters. In Robin's case it literally changed her heart and gave her a second chance to look at life through another lense. Of course, Luffy is the main reason for saving her from herself and the corrupt world, but the journey in itself moved her as well and gave her hope.
So my answer is i'd be ready to sacrifice some character time over a new member or members, if Oda has in bank amasing storytelling planned for them. If a new Strawhat join, Oda will do right by them like he's done with the other Strawhats.
Yamato still has a lot of boxes to check by the way, though anyone can see she's about to receive more characterisation as she's central to the plot.
Franky also was essential to that very scene, without him that scene doesent exist. Take Carrot out of the scene he takes to compare to Franky and literally nothing changes. Yamato-Momo is far more comparable. The situations, the lead up, the scenes cant be put in the same context unless your goal is trolling or stiring shit up. Which is why him first being a dick about it and then claiming hes the centre of everyones attention is so ironic
I agree with you, the story has been going into a direction where the focus isnt so much on the supposedly 9-10 main characters, so the quality is kinda lower to before for me personally. But i believe this arc is the culmination of all that building, so from now on the focus should shift back to the main crew again finally (i hope so atleast). Adding another member is not really necessary, but if it happens i thinks its now or never. Yamato has started off well, her arc is about to be the main focus now and we will see what it will lead to. I think she joins in the end but lets see
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It depends on what's more important to each individual. I can't deny the argument that some Strawhats have been somewhat neglected since post timeskip. It comes down to what you're willing to sacrifice, more exposition and interactions within the actual crew or more Nakamas.
Initially, the grand One Piece adventure all started with Luffy going around east blue gathering his crew. Having new friends to share your experience with is also part of the adventure just as much as discovering new islands and the world. We get to enjoy another perspective from other characters. In Robin's case it literally changed her heart and gave her a second chance to look at life through another lense. Of course, Luffy is the main reason for saving her from herself and the corrupt world, but the journey in itself moved her as well and gave her hope.
So my answer is i'd be ready to sacrifice some character time over a new member or members, if Oda has in bank amasing storytelling planned for them. If a new Strawhat join, Oda will do right by them like he's done with the other Strawhats.
Yamato still has a lot of boxes to check by the way, though anyone can see she's about to receive more characterisation as she's central to the plot.
Initially, the grand One Piece adventure all started with Luffy going around east blue gathering his crew. Having new friends to share your experience with is also part of the adventure just as much as discovering new islands and the world. We get to enjoy another perspective from other characters. In Robin's case it literally changed her heart and gave her a second chance to look at life through another lense. Of course, Luffy is the main reason for saving her from herself and the corrupt world, but the journey in itself moved her as well and gave her hope.
So my answer is i'd be ready to sacrifice some character time over a new member or members, if Oda has in bank amasing storytelling planned for them. If a new Strawhat join, Oda will do right by them like he's done with the other Strawhats.
Yamato still has a lot of boxes to check by the way, though anyone can see she's about to receive more characterisation as she's central to the plot.
I really wanted Carrot to join at one point (after sulong reveal). Especially because I’m always hungry for new members. But the longer Wano has gone on the more I’ve lost faith in Carrot as a future SH until I have none left.
At one time I expected Oda to develop her into a strong candidate but for whatever reason he hasn’t done it. I recognized that she was underdeveloped for a future SH but expected Oda to flesh her out in Wano into someone who might be worthy. I waited and it wasn’t happening. Then during the Oden flashback I thought that Neco & Inu stowing away might be a prelude to Carrot doing the same thing herself. I began to suspect Yamato & Carrot could both be set up to join as Luffy’s version of Oden & Mink stowaway. Then when Perrospero was the only member of Big Mom’s crew to make his way to Onigashima it seemed clear to me that Perrospero was meant to go down in a 1v1 to her, even if she wasn’t going to join. Only for her to not only lose to him, but for it to be off screen AND with Sulong Wanda’s help. And now with Neco after Perrospero’s head I see no rematch in sight.
I just don’t believe that leaves Carrot anything left that can put her back on the path to becoming a SH nor does it appear Oda cares to do so. I feel for Carrot fans because I wanted her to join too. I still think Luffy’s crew should have a mink representative. But I just don’t think it’s in the cards anymore.
At one time I expected Oda to develop her into a strong candidate but for whatever reason he hasn’t done it. I recognized that she was underdeveloped for a future SH but expected Oda to flesh her out in Wano into someone who might be worthy. I waited and it wasn’t happening. Then during the Oden flashback I thought that Neco & Inu stowing away might be a prelude to Carrot doing the same thing herself. I began to suspect Yamato & Carrot could both be set up to join as Luffy’s version of Oden & Mink stowaway. Then when Perrospero was the only member of Big Mom’s crew to make his way to Onigashima it seemed clear to me that Perrospero was meant to go down in a 1v1 to her, even if she wasn’t going to join. Only for her to not only lose to him, but for it to be off screen AND with Sulong Wanda’s help. And now with Neco after Perrospero’s head I see no rematch in sight.
I just don’t believe that leaves Carrot anything left that can put her back on the path to becoming a SH nor does it appear Oda cares to do so. I feel for Carrot fans because I wanted her to join too. I still think Luffy’s crew should have a mink representative. But I just don’t think it’s in the cards anymore.
Franky and Luffy fighting on its own means nothing for their relationship. Luffy's fought countless people and none of them other than Franky joined the crew. Some of them he wouldn't even recognise. Just because they fought isn't what made Franky have a relationship with Luffy. What did however, is the fact that Luffy trusted in Franky to get back Robin after having hated him because of what he did to Usopp. It's the added context that makes the moment in Enies Lobby hold some weight.
Carrot's moment holds just as much weight when you also consider the wider context and where the panel comes from.
Carrot's moment holds just as much weight when you also consider the wider context and where the panel comes from.
This wasn't just some random panel. It's the culmination of a sequence of events and the end of one of the phases of the arc.
Ever since escaping the tea party the straw hats were relentlessly chased through WCI. Each time BM got too close someone took charge and helped them escape the enemy. King Baum appearing. Pudding appearing. Nami using Zeus. Jinbe fighting Prometheus, and of course Pedro exploding. They were being narrowly saved chapter after chapter.
When they got to the ship and found Katakuri there, the plan was for Luffy to simply push him off and then continue on with them.
And that's exactly what Luffy was trying to do right up until Katakuri hurt Carrot.
It was only after Katakuri harmed Carrot that led to Luffy immediately dragging him into the mirro-world in order to prevent him from hurting anyone else.
After being relentlessly saved in the previous 10 chapters by other people, this was the moment in which Luffy himself took charge as the captain. This entire moment was meant to highlight Luffy's leadership and how he was entrusting his crew to hold their own, whilst they would then trust in him to beat Katakuri. This marked the end of the "return to the seducing woods" phase of the arc and was the climax of the volume.
That's why when Luffy calls Carrot's name out it is meaningful as this is Luffy properly acting as the straw hat captain and believing in his crew including Carrot and taking measures to protect her and all the rest of them in direct response to what Katakuri just did to her.
To compare this moment to a scene that holds no weight at all for contrast, we can look at Luffy telling Yamao to protect Momo.
A small, messy panel with no build up since Luffy's essentially just telling Yamao to make herself useful. She's strong, and Momo's in danger so he told her to help him in addition to Shinobu. And of course he gets her name wrong which Oda has confirmed is because Luffy can't be bothered to remember what she's called.
As opposed to Carrot who he treats like one of his own and calls by her actual name.
Ever since escaping the tea party the straw hats were relentlessly chased through WCI. Each time BM got too close someone took charge and helped them escape the enemy. King Baum appearing. Pudding appearing. Nami using Zeus. Jinbe fighting Prometheus, and of course Pedro exploding. They were being narrowly saved chapter after chapter.
When they got to the ship and found Katakuri there, the plan was for Luffy to simply push him off and then continue on with them.
And that's exactly what Luffy was trying to do right up until Katakuri hurt Carrot.
After being relentlessly saved in the previous 10 chapters by other people, this was the moment in which Luffy himself took charge as the captain. This entire moment was meant to highlight Luffy's leadership and how he was entrusting his crew to hold their own, whilst they would then trust in him to beat Katakuri. This marked the end of the "return to the seducing woods" phase of the arc and was the climax of the volume.
That's why when Luffy calls Carrot's name out it is meaningful as this is Luffy properly acting as the straw hat captain and believing in his crew including Carrot and taking measures to protect her and all the rest of them in direct response to what Katakuri just did to her.
To compare this moment to a scene that holds no weight at all for contrast, we can look at Luffy telling Yamao to protect Momo.
A small, messy panel with no build up since Luffy's essentially just telling Yamao to make herself useful. She's strong, and Momo's in danger so he told her to help him in addition to Shinobu. And of course he gets her name wrong which Oda has confirmed is because Luffy can't be bothered to remember what she's called.
As opposed to Carrot who he treats like one of his own and calls by her actual name.
Franky and Luffy fighting on its own means nothing for their relationship. Luffy's fought countless people and none of them other than Franky joined the crew. Some of them he wouldn't even recognise. Just because they fought isn't what made Franky have a relationship with Luffy. What did however, is the fact that Luffy trusted in Franky to get back Robin after having hated him because of what he did to Usopp. It's the added context that makes the moment in Enies Lobby hold some weight.
Carrot's moment holds just as much weight when you also consider the wider context and where the panel comes from.
Carrot's moment holds just as much weight when you also consider the wider context and where the panel comes from.
This wasn't just some random panel. It's the culmination of a sequence of events and the end of one of the phases of the arc.
Ever since escaping the tea party the straw hats were relentlessly chased through WCI. Each time BM got too close someone took charge and helped them escape the enemy. King Baum appearing. Pudding appearing. Nami using Zeus. Jinbe fighting Prometheus, and of course Pedro exploding. They were being narrowly saved chapter after chapter.
When they got to the ship and found Katakuri there, the plan was for Luffy to simply push him off and then continue on with them.
And that's exactly what Luffy was trying to do right up until Katakuri hurt Carrot.
It was only after Katakuri harmed Carrot that led to Luffy immediately dragging him into the mirro-world in order to prevent him from hurting anyone else.
After being relentlessly saved in the previous 10 chapters by other people, this was the moment in which Luffy himself took charge as the captain. This entire moment was meant to highlight Luffy's leadership and how he was entrusting his crew to hold their own, whilst they would then trust in him to beat Katakuri. This marked the end of the "return to the seducing woods" phase of the arc and was the climax of the volume.
That's why when Luffy calls Carrot's name out it is meaningful as this is Luffy properly acting as the straw hat captain and believing in his crew including Carrot and taking measures to protect her and all the rest of them in direct response to what Katakuri just did to her.
To compare this moment to a scene that holds no weight at all for contrast, we can look at Luffy telling Yamao to protect Momo.
A small, messy panel with no build up since Luffy's essentially just telling Yamao to make herself useful. She's strong, and Momo's in danger so he told her to help him in addition to Shinobu. And of course he gets her name wrong which Oda has confirmed is because Luffy can't be bothered to remember what she's called.
As opposed to Carrot who he treats like one of his own and calls by her actual name.
Ever since escaping the tea party the straw hats were relentlessly chased through WCI. Each time BM got too close someone took charge and helped them escape the enemy. King Baum appearing. Pudding appearing. Nami using Zeus. Jinbe fighting Prometheus, and of course Pedro exploding. They were being narrowly saved chapter after chapter.
When they got to the ship and found Katakuri there, the plan was for Luffy to simply push him off and then continue on with them.
And that's exactly what Luffy was trying to do right up until Katakuri hurt Carrot.
After being relentlessly saved in the previous 10 chapters by other people, this was the moment in which Luffy himself took charge as the captain. This entire moment was meant to highlight Luffy's leadership and how he was entrusting his crew to hold their own, whilst they would then trust in him to beat Katakuri. This marked the end of the "return to the seducing woods" phase of the arc and was the climax of the volume.
That's why when Luffy calls Carrot's name out it is meaningful as this is Luffy properly acting as the straw hat captain and believing in his crew including Carrot and taking measures to protect her and all the rest of them in direct response to what Katakuri just did to her.
To compare this moment to a scene that holds no weight at all for contrast, we can look at Luffy telling Yamao to protect Momo.
A small, messy panel with no build up since Luffy's essentially just telling Yamao to make herself useful. She's strong, and Momo's in danger so he told her to help him in addition to Shinobu. And of course he gets her name wrong which Oda has confirmed is because Luffy can't be bothered to remember what she's called.
As opposed to Carrot who he treats like one of his own and calls by her actual name.
This is the dumbest argument against Carrot out of all of them.
This whole thing falls apart because he wasn't singling Carrot out though. He was just talking to everyone who was there at the time. It would have been weirder if he didn't mention Carrot just because she wasn't a crew member. And can you stop pointing out the nickname in every other post? Luffy called Chopper "Reindeer" until the welcome party. He didn't even use his name when he finally convinced him to join the crew at the end of the arc. The point is meaningless.
Franky and Luffy fighting on its own means nothing for their relationship. Luffy's fought countless people and none of them other than Franky joined the crew. Some of them he wouldn't even recognise. Just because they fought isn't what made Franky have a relationship with Luffy. What did however, is the fact that Luffy trusted in Franky to get back Robin after having hated him because of what he did to Usopp. It's the added context that makes the moment in Enies Lobby hold some weight.
Carrot's moment holds just as much weight when you also consider the wider context and where the panel comes from.
Carrot's moment holds just as much weight when you also consider the wider context and where the panel comes from.
This wasn't just some random panel. It's the culmination of a sequence of events and the end of one of the phases of the arc.
Ever since escaping the tea party the straw hats were relentlessly chased through WCI. Each time BM got too close someone took charge and helped them escape the enemy. King Baum appearing. Pudding appearing. Nami using Zeus. Jinbe fighting Prometheus, and of course Pedro exploding. They were being narrowly saved chapter after chapter.
When they got to the ship and found Katakuri there, the plan was for Luffy to simply push him off and then continue on with them.
And that's exactly what Luffy was trying to do right up until Katakuri hurt Carrot.
It was only after Katakuri harmed Carrot that led to Luffy immediately dragging him into the mirro-world in order to prevent him from hurting anyone else.
After being relentlessly saved in the previous 10 chapters by other people, this was the moment in which Luffy himself took charge as the captain. This entire moment was meant to highlight Luffy's leadership and how he was entrusting his crew to hold their own, whilst they would then trust in him to beat Katakuri. This marked the end of the "return to the seducing woods" phase of the arc and was the climax of the volume.
That's why when Luffy calls Carrot's name out it is meaningful as this is Luffy properly acting as the straw hat captain and believing in his crew including Carrot and taking measures to protect her and all the rest of them in direct response to what Katakuri just did to her.
To compare this moment to a scene that holds no weight at all for contrast, we can look at Luffy telling Yamao to protect Momo.
A small, messy panel with no build up since Luffy's essentially just telling Yamao to make herself useful. She's strong, and Momo's in danger so he told her to help him in addition to Shinobu. And of course he gets her name wrong which Oda has confirmed is because Luffy can't be bothered to remember what she's called.
As opposed to Carrot who he treats like one of his own and calls by her actual name.
Ever since escaping the tea party the straw hats were relentlessly chased through WCI. Each time BM got too close someone took charge and helped them escape the enemy. King Baum appearing. Pudding appearing. Nami using Zeus. Jinbe fighting Prometheus, and of course Pedro exploding. They were being narrowly saved chapter after chapter.
When they got to the ship and found Katakuri there, the plan was for Luffy to simply push him off and then continue on with them.
And that's exactly what Luffy was trying to do right up until Katakuri hurt Carrot.
After being relentlessly saved in the previous 10 chapters by other people, this was the moment in which Luffy himself took charge as the captain. This entire moment was meant to highlight Luffy's leadership and how he was entrusting his crew to hold their own, whilst they would then trust in him to beat Katakuri. This marked the end of the "return to the seducing woods" phase of the arc and was the climax of the volume.
That's why when Luffy calls Carrot's name out it is meaningful as this is Luffy properly acting as the straw hat captain and believing in his crew including Carrot and taking measures to protect her and all the rest of them in direct response to what Katakuri just did to her.
To compare this moment to a scene that holds no weight at all for contrast, we can look at Luffy telling Yamao to protect Momo.
A small, messy panel with no build up since Luffy's essentially just telling Yamao to make herself useful. She's strong, and Momo's in danger so he told her to help him in addition to Shinobu. And of course he gets her name wrong which Oda has confirmed is because Luffy can't be bothered to remember what she's called.
As opposed to Carrot who he treats like one of his own and calls by her actual name.
I don't know if people have mentioned it before but fighting style also plays a role in someone joining the crew. Every straw hat has an unique and appealing fighting style. Base Carrot doesn't have anything that stands out, and she relies on a once a month ability.
Yamato on the other hand has a weapon different from the rest of the straw hats, and an unknown DF.
Yamato on the other hand has a weapon different from the rest of the straw hats, and an unknown DF.
Carrot is Done. We haven’t seen her in twenty chapters.
Since Kin’emon died, there’s no choice but to remove him as an option.
Momo/Tama, Law, Yamato are my final choices. Law doesn’t join, rather merges and leaves out his crew. Yamato joins to protect Momo (kind of like how Kinemon has been doing). Wherever Momo goes, there goes Yamato.
Since Kin’emon died, there’s no choice but to remove him as an option.
Momo/Tama, Law, Yamato are my final choices. Law doesn’t join, rather merges and leaves out his crew. Yamato joins to protect Momo (kind of like how Kinemon has been doing). Wherever Momo goes, there goes Yamato.
oh yes because electric claws is appealing to the reader.
There's a reason why Oda never has shown us Carrot fight outside of Sulong. That shit is not interesting
edit: also nami uses electricity so it's not unique. and before you say "Luffy uses fire like Sanji" Luffy is the MC, Oda would give him every ability in the world if he could. A better example would be Zoro having one fire ability, that is different by the fact that his fire is blue, not red
There's a reason why Oda never has shown us Carrot fight outside of Sulong. That shit is not interesting
edit: also nami uses electricity so it's not unique. and before you say "Luffy uses fire like Sanji" Luffy is the MC, Oda would give him every ability in the world if he could. A better example would be Zoro having one fire ability, that is different by the fact that his fire is blue, not red
Um, yeah actually I think electric claws are pretty appealing. I agree she needs su long to be interesting in battle, but presumably she would have that for major fights somehow. You can't tell me that section where she destroyed the ships in whole cake island wasn't interesting. I would love to see that in an actual fight. And just because she uses electricity does make her like Nami. There are a lot of characters who have elements in common but they use them in different ways that make them unique. Claws are much different from projectile lightning bolts, and they're a weapon archetype that isn't common in One Piece.
I definitely agree that Yamato is more interesting, especially if she has the byaku mythical zoan, but that doesn't make Carrot boring. Her su long form is still really cool.
I definitely agree that Yamato is more interesting, especially if she has the byaku mythical zoan, but that doesn't make Carrot boring. Her su long form is still really cool.
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